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This is why i love having a family club and why Delia Smith is good for us. This is also why i never understand the body of our fans who would have been over the moon if the Saudi's had bought us instead of Newcastle. Rather League two and a soul than Premier league and classless.

This should be a stark reminder to anyone who simply assumes a rich owner = what we have now but with more money... The Pozzos have taken something I love and turned it into something repulsive. Rancid culture. Constant dealings with an individual who is accused of corruption by the authorities. Players treated as commodities who simply don’t care. Zero interest in youth development. Opaque dealings with Udinese.I can’t stand my club now. And I despise the owners for what they have done to it. I’m close to jacking it in now. Maybe I can find a small lower league club to enthuse over but I don’t think you can really feel passionately about two clubs in a lifetime.Shame on them.

Binary thinking is a modern day curse. Why can’t our summer transfer business be good in some ways, bad in others? No, it’s either all good, or all bad. In the same way Brexit was either a liberation of the UK or a disaster, you’re either in favour of rights for trans people to go anywhere and do anything or you hate them, VAR should either be kept or binned, the BBC is a British institution that can’t be criticised or a nest of Communists… I could go on. Life is complicated, it’s about shades of grey and unfortunately it can’t all be reduced to yes or no arguments. And… why are you waiting to see Sargent play in the Championship. If he goes onto score 15 more this season, will you still be reserving your judgement?

Phil Collins? 😊

Oh cry me a river. Had they been sitting mid table after having beat us with their rich owner they'd be loving it. Point is they've signed a load of **** players. ****'em.

Indeed, I didn't celebrate the first goal properly because I was half-expecting it to be brought back for a foul by Pukki. Similarly, I stopped celebrating the second goal when I saw the still of the replay, because Rashica looked marginally off to the naked eye, similar to Cavani yesterday. That's probably the worst thing about VAR, that you can't celebrate goals properly any more.

Sargent peppers lowly Herts club

Nice bit of name-calling and missing the point there hoggy 🤣 What the Delia apologists hang onto is 2 fairly flimsy arguments... that the alternative is a stinking rich Eastern based owner with questionable plans for the club/human rights records (it's not) or LoOk At IpSwIcH aNd PoRtSmOuTh, Be CaReFuL wHaT yOu WiSh FoR etc. Instead of misdirection and whatabouttery, how about recognising that the last 2 games actually put us in a really good position to have the chance of staying up and the owners lack of ability to put a few quid into the club and acquire the player that gives us a much better chance to stay up actually means they are a hindrance as an owner. If relegation occurs again this season, it's one again at the feet of the cook. Let's just break this down... Hoggy's words basically translate as wanting an owner that can put a few quid in to give us a better chance of staying up is a deluded view. Let that take a moment to sink in...

I feel very happy with the 3-0 away win & 3 points we departed with on Friday pulling us out of the bottom 3. No beef with Watford but I couldn't give 3 fuchs about their situation. Hopefully Palace will make it 3 wins in a row & we finish at least 3 places above them in just over 3 months. I like the number 3. 3

Important quote here below, alongside others where they're not happy about having rich owners, who have given them some prem years but taken away their feeling of what their club means to them.... Sold our soul for some time at the top table, simple equation really.I compare it loosely to being a recording artist who decides to make pop hits of whatever the in sound is at the time, a few singles will sell millions and chart, but in doing so they sacrifice having that classic album, never really establishing an identity, get any critical acclaim and don't ever build a solid, core fanbase

Did he intend to make contact with the ball? Yes. Was it deliberate? Correct. By doing that, did he attempt to direct it towards goal? Here I think he instinctively knew if he had made good enough contact, there was a more-than-nil chance of it going on target. Case dismissed. <Gavel bangs>

And on top of that some of them are fat

United's goal looked totally legit as well...

Tsk tsk, you know we're not allowed to mention illness/injury woes. That's been banned as a reasonable excuse and instead we must simply blame it on Delia/Delia & MWJ/ 'the board'/Webber.

More looking forward to Seeing him in the next 16 games personally, but each to their own.

Its all really down to us. There are more than enough points available to us to escape the drop. Yes it nice when others drop points but at the moment we just need to concentrate on ourselves.

Well my Watford mate has apart from a little bit of banter been very sympathetic to our plight as I hope he has felt the same from me. The only thing I will add to this debate is the talk about their crowds. Let's be honest here. Watford is a very small town that with the growth of the commuter belt has grown. It is still nowhere near a big as Norwich. In the same time most of our season ticket holders take to get to Carrow Rd they could get to 20 or so league teams. Also as Watford has grown it's mainly due to people moving out of London so many people already have a connection to a London club either through birth or family. They have for many years up to the 80s been a 3rd /4th division team. We have a big if sparse area to pull fans from but we have no competition. A kid in Norfolk who wants to watch football is not going to go to Ipswich and not just because they are s*#t.

Wishful thinking from scientists and tyrant politicians clinging to relevancy. its.over

Yeah, if their board had say real ambition Vicarage Road would be a 35,000 seat stadium now.

Hallelujah. I wish people would listen to this. Example; Idah is amazing and the next Ronaldo when he scores a hattrick in the cup, he barely gets on the pitch and when he does is ineffective and he's league one level at best, he has a couple of good games and he's our saviour.

And we get promoted which at last count benefits us to the tune of hundreds of millions of pounds. Utter nonsense comment.

I've always said it ... get rid of VAR 1. It was 'the beautiful game' BEFORE VAR was invented ...... Pele, Maradona, Best, Batistuta and Huckerby didn't have it / need it - why do we now? 2. It categorically doesn't strip away the human element of adjudicating - thus - it remains as a subjective process ... hence CERTAIN clubs getting decisions that others wouldn't (which has been shown time and time and time again). There's no conspiracy at work and there's no corruption BUT subconsciously the geeks behind the screens are FAR more likely to alert the ref if Ronaldo tumbles in the box when he feels a hand brush his shoulder rather than if Pukki gets a shove in the penalty area at Old Trafford and the ref hasn't seen it himself. That can't be denied. 3. VAR wouldn't have been allowed into (an ALREADY awesomely effective and successful sport) if people had known the form that it has quickly ended up taking. It was ONLY introduced (like goal line tech) to blow the whistle on CLEAR AND OBVIOUS referee errors but because they 'can' measure an offside by a millimetre or freeze frame a tackle or handball we seem to 'have' to wheel it out ... often despite neither players nor fans appealing against an error by the ref!!! 4. If you put it to a vote I GUARANTEE the fans and players would vote to ditch it by 75% at least. 5. Finally, did any of us mourn the absence of VAR last season when we dipped back out of it and into the Championship .... OR .... was the spectacle (and sport itself) EVEN BETTER without it? Football is poetry, organic and chaotic .... not a science, robotic and sterile. Unplug VAR at the mains.

You can’t rely on Leeds and you can’t get on Arsenal. Useless.

Getting irritated by the people who look at this as a binary issue. Having a rich foreign owner doesn't immediately mean they are a sh*thouse and that we should be grateful for what we've got. What's become obvious is that without external money, we're really going to struggle to ever compete in the PL. We're still favourites to go down and 2 results against very poor teams is just masking this. With money we might improve, we might not. Without it we almost certainly are limited to where we've been last few years.

Compared to deliberately setting out to destroy civility, truth and democracy, yeah that’s a real problem.

Empathy - always. Sympathy - not really. OTBC

Rashica is a very good player for the money we spent. Sargent may not end up a good signing but at 21 and showing the performance he did on Friday im not going to stubbornly refuse to accept he could end up proving a lot of us (primarily you) wrong

Reading that thread was enlightening. I questioned the legitimacy of their player trading last week and it looks like the fans feel the same. There seems to be no plan, player trading and hope a few are any good. They hire very different coaches so there isn’t really a defined style that suits the players brought in. I had no idea they had given up on youth development and not invested in infrastructure. They will leave the club in a pretty unsure state when they finally walk away. We might be struggling in the premiership but we’ve laid foundations for future success in the decade to come.

The whole point about bias is that you should judge on performance or behaviour, not on inherent factors like body shape gender or skin colour.

No mention of Rupp in this discussion! Am I alone in thinking he was one of our better players prior to his injury? My defensive midfield 2 would be Rupp and Normann

Think Smith has generally had our CBs performing much better than Farke ever did at this level, the individual errors have been few and far between (when we are full strength at least). Hanley is certainly showing himself to be our best defender, would rate Omobamidele to take Gibson’s spot before the end of the season though.

I used to agree with you when we were doing badly, but you are just negative, and talk some utter rubbish. Teams who are on the poorer side of ability which we are, there is no disputing this, normally stay up by beating the team's around them. Shock we just beat two of them. This is exactly what we need to do, if we make it a hattrick will be delighted and Palace are very beatable. Or will you only be happy if we beat Man city. Think you you need to do a bit research before being so negative.

I’d beat this ref in any sort of race except a race to Greggs.

100%, now I'm not going to lie and say I hadn't written us off prior to Everton because I did, and I'm not going lie and say that I didn't say Sargent was a terrible signing because I did, but unlike a few here I'm absolutely delighted if I'm proven wrong. Maybe when he comes back from injury Gilmour will prove me wrong too 👍

Of course not, particularly if you've spent the last couple of months pointing out how **** a signing Sarg is. Also, I would much rather spend time watching Josh prove his ability in the Premiership rather than worry about how he does in the Championship. Does make one wonder about the mentality of some fans; almost like they would rather see us relegated and in the Champs so they can prove themselves right, as opposed to embracing the fact we have given ourselves a fighting chance?

Oh well, football fans are fickle, always have been and always will be. Vast majority of us will be pleased that he's coming good, because we want our team to succeed.

I don’t buy this ‘what-aboutisms’ not acceptable to fat shame anyone least not someone who would’ve had to pass a very stringent fitness test when he reached level 4 as a ref let alone the level he’s at now

Tbh it’s not too dissimilar to Milot for our second yesterday - I’d much rather close calls were given in favour of the attacking side.

Cases in ICU lowest since July, great news

It’ll be the Norwich game we take the points and we take your manager. we’re the pirates of the Caribbean

He's had one good game??? Seriously??? I don't think he's had one bad game. Just some bad moments that he's been judged on.

It’s not that it was a drone, it’s that it was an “un-licensed drone”, the premier league can fly as many drones and give everyone in the ground a haircut if they like. The thought of somebody broadcasting a game from a drone on Instagram live was enough to get a police helicopter scrambled and a 20 minute delay. pathetic

It was posted on twitter within an hour of the match finishing Friday.

One of the other big problems we have with var is the assumption ( trust ) ( rightly or wrongly ) that it is a bit biased towards certain clubs. How many like me automatically assume when looking at the picture that if that would have been at the other end it would have been disallowed ? Of course the biggest problem is ala Watford, 3 times I celebrated a goal, then was left flat awaiting the result of var. By the time the goal was awarded the ‘ wildness ‘ of scoring a goal had disappeared.

Tim Krul (assuming it’s just Tim and not Timothy)

Didn't we have a Papa Diop on loan, equals Idah.

Have to disagree with the OP. If I have to disagree. Taking this statement, you discredit so many wonderful goals. In a lot of cases, especially with the spectacular and speculative, it's ensuring great technique and connection, and hitting the ball in the general direction of the goal. Take Sargent's goal for what it was, an instinctive and superb goal deserving of high acclaim.

There is something special about a brass band.👍 How they ended up in tough, mining and working towns I don't know but I'm glad they did.