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  1. 7 points
  2. 6 points
    I get what you're saying (to an extent) but I feel as though people would also moan if we did change the team and rotate it constantly. Happened a bit more last season while Farke was trying to find his best team. It didn't work, on more than one occasion. No, I think if he did rotate the team a lot we'd then get people saying "Why doesn't he stick with a winning team??!" In other words, among some, Farke can't win.
  3. 6 points
    Some people, presumably of relatively mature years, are behaving very much like spoilt children. Regardless of whether or not you think the flag idea is a positive one, there’s really no need to be so negative about something that is well-intentioned and designed to help the team on the pitch. Time to swallow your pride and grow up a little.
  4. 6 points
    My old lucky woolly gloves finally went into retirement today. They had achieved legendary status over the course of several years but thanks to constant repair they were much like Trigger's broom, more darning wool than original material. Thankfully Mrs R had bought me a new pair of official NCFC gloves with thinsulate lining, and I was warm as toast on the ride down to the ground. Lewis Grabban, received the customary round of boo's when the teams were announced and there were one or two for Daryl Murphy, who was named among the subs. There was a hint of dampness in the air but It was a nice Xmas treat to see us kicking the right way for once . In the early stages we were treated to some nice neat football from both teams but little goal threat until the ninth minute when Pukki was sent away with just the keeper to beat. He hit it sweetly enough but Pantilimon got his angles right and a touch was enough to divert it round the far post. It had been fairly even until then but City began to get into gear and Forest had to defend in numbers. A corner was desperately cleared and then another resulted in the ball being played around inside the area and some lunging blocks were needed to keep City out. Just before the twenty minute mark Lewis, found room on the left and hit one which seemed to get deflected before Pantilimon reached up and pushed it over the bar. Coming up to the half hour Forest were being hurried into quick passes by the home sides excellent closing down but it almost led to a red card for Stiepermann when he was a fraction late Robinson. Thankfully, after a word with the linesman, ref Brooks only produced the yellow. The deadlock was almost broken just after the half hour when a long cross from the right found Lewis coming in at the far post, somehow the bouncing ball came back off a defender and onto Lewis before running away a couple of feet wide. At this stage I was beginning to wonder if it would be one of those games and when Forest won a free kick inside the "D" It was crossed fingers time.. The ball was hit low under the wall but Krul, was down smartly to block almost on the line and Grabban, could not get his leg out quick enough before the rebound went past him and Tetty lashed it away. City had been largely dominant for most of the first forty five and with the break fast approaching it looked very much like we would have to settle for honours even. As two minutes added were signalled Tetty chested down a ball to Aarons in the right back position. He had time to clear it but chose the wrong option and tried to come inside only to lose out in a tackle and Cash, was quickly on hand to slam a low shot which beat Krul at the near post. Totally against the run of play and a disappointing end to the half but I had the feeling that all was not done by a long chalk. I had a quick look at the scores and West Brom were in front but seeing poor old Town two down tended to lift my spirits a bit. (or perhaps it was the Glenmorangie miniture that Mrs, R had thoughtfully slipped into my pocket. It was fairly frantic from the restart with the ball being played at good pace by both sides with several iffy tackles flying in. Ref Brooks inconsistency began to rankle as he booked Pukki but not the Forest player in an incident where both should have seen yellow. The fact that the Forest player had already been booked made the ref'd decision look distinctly arbitrary. Krul then had to make a good block from a Grabben shot but most of the action was now down at our end where Pukki was somehow agonisingly wide of the post when it seemed easier to score. As Forest cleared the pressure Robinson blatantly stuck out a hand to bring the ball under control in the penalty area. Twentyfive thousand voices cried "handball" but they might as well have been in another dimension as neither ref nor linesman seemed to see a thing. Hernadez came on for Cantwell just after the hour as the tackles were starting to come in thick and fast with Mr Brooks again making some very dubious decisions. I had barely regained my seat from another seething session when suddenly we were two down. A free kick from the right edge of the area was hit hard and low in a swirling melly of players, Robinson was the first to react and smash the ball into the net. Oh dear, this was all going very wrong and yet we had been much the better side and made much the better chances but there was an air of acceptance when my son said "looks like its just not our day". A few minutes later when Buendia had to limp off with a leg injury I was feeling very inclined to agree with him. Farke decide to take action as Rhodes replaced the little Argentine and Srbeny came on for Lewis but it it only got worse as within a minute a pullback from Lolley found Cash unmarked to sweep the ball into the corner for three nil and supposedly game over. Pukki should have reduced the deficit almost immediately but Somehow Pantilimon stuck out a hand just as the City Talisman was about to celebrate. Then Stiepermann cut in and his cross missed everyone with the goal gaping. Did we lose heart? well, maybe a little bit but the chances were still coming thick and fast so there was hope of a consolation at least and this duly came when Vrancic had a go from twenty yards and the first bit of luck all day came when the deflected ball left Pantilimom stranded, 1-3. With the crowd roaring them on wave after wave of attacks continuously beat against the Forest back line. Godfrey must have thought he'd scored when in a crowded penalty area he juggled the ball and hooked it inches wide then minutes later he was on the end of a corner that squirmed through to him and only three yards out he smashed it over the bar. Rhodes and Pukki then went close as time ticked down to ninety minutes. An enormous cheer went up when seven extra minutes were signaled and City flooded forward again. It was virtually two at the back and everyone else forward as Tetty fended off a Forest attack, moved the ball forward where it was swept out to Hernandez on the right. The flying Cuban forced his way past Janko, before firing a hard low cross as everyone seemed to freeze for a split second. Pantilimon was probably expecting a foot to deflect it and seemed rooted to the floor as the ball went past him into the far corner. Jesus H Christ, I thought the roof would come off the stand as the Canary faithful rose as one and hope (however faint) was renewed. Forest tried to play for time down their left but when City came away it was all hands to the pump with almost the whole team in the Forest box. When the ball ran out for a goal kick the Forest number four smiled up at the crowd (the ****) and Pantilimon, was finally booked for what had been consistent time wasting. In one final lung bursting rush Klose, hooked the ball out to Hernandez and when he cut in the was all kinds of mayhem as shots were blocked until suddenly as if by magic it was Hernandez again to bang the ball over a startled Pantilimon and spark the longest and loudest roar that I've heard at CR since Christ knows when. Oh dear it was all too much, an absolutely incredible match and nobody who had the luck to be present is ever likely to forget it. An amazing draw that felt like a win. Vrancic imense in midfield, Tetty and Klose majestic at the back but every man jack a hero and my new new woolly gloves well and truly christened.
  5. 5 points
    It would only really work if we got the Norfolk Cafu back from Walsall so we had a Rémy-Martin pair in central defence...
  6. 5 points
    Expectations seem to have risen faster than our meteoric rise up the table! Start of the season - We've sold our best players so the best we can hope for is more mid-table mediocrity. End of August - We are in a relegation battle and will do well to stay up. End of December - we need to be winning these games to consolidate our place in the top two. What will the new year bring? Who knows! But what a great time to be a City supporter
  7. 4 points
    Won’t be Nathan Jones, he’s been gone too long
  8. 4 points
    To me, the greatest ever footballer. Yes there was Best, Pele, Charlton. But to me, he was Mr Football. Best goalkeeper never to play for his country. Never heard of him wanting to leave. Treated us to some magic moments including laying out players who annoyed him. Smart dresser and liked a night out. Ladies loved him. In fact, i was probably jealous. Happy Birthday Kev. There will never be another and how there isn't a stand named after you is puzzling.
  9. 4 points
    https://www.canaries.co.uk/News/2019/january/an-evening-with-robbie-savage/ i really cannot see much interest in this for Norwich supporters. Just remember the lifetime he took to be subbed v Derby which thankfully backfired on him that day and him saying on radio he had never heard of OTBC. Whatever next an evening with Danny Mills ?
  10. 4 points
    We've conceded two or more goals in 6 of the last 9 games. That isn't sustainable for being top 2.
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  12. 4 points
    It’s not ROY’s fault he has a speech impediment - stop taking the p iss
  13. 4 points
    Well done to our intrepid PUPs who braved the sea and the Pink Un community for helping them raise so much money for the CSF's Build The Nest. Awesome.
  14. 4 points
    Dear Mr Till I am really disappointed as a fellow fan that you are really negative towards a fellow group of fans trying to add to the atmosphere and match day experience. Firstly I can guarantee you that 200 flags were delivered to the club - I should know as I made them. I have no affiliation with the lads that are organising the display and understand they are also working within the constraints of the club towards the growing display - whether you like it or not I do not understand the constant criticism of fans trying to do something positive.
  15. 4 points
  16. 3 points
    A bit late but 78 today. The word legend does not even cover it.
  17. 3 points
    I'm glad I was working while this was happening, reading the thread after the result gives a very different perspective on the game and how people feel when they're in the moment. From what I've read most of the Team should never wear the shirt again! Even DF comes in for some stick, incredible. Tim Krul has a blinder and despite all the stick he's had to put up with, he mainly only received begrudging praise. I'm a little worried that we're displaying an hier of entitlement when playing the likes of Brentford and it's not realistic. Ultimately, we're still second, still 2 points ahead of 3rd and one closer to top, with one game less to play. It may not have been pretty but we came away with a point, earned by a decimated squad in need of a rest. It might not be a popular opinion but cut the boys some slack, now, more than ever, they need your support.
  18. 3 points
    LOL Hard fought point Unbeaten away since August Start of another unbeaten run Only Sheff Utd really gained The Sheff Utd game will be another big one at Carrow Road What a season we are having I think that just about covers the entire post. Now which bit was in the African river?
  19. 3 points
    We could play till Christmas and still not score.
  20. 3 points
  21. 3 points
    BF, the very short answer is that very few people or groups come out of this well, but the blame? I have left out most of the quotes/references backing up my conclusions simply to keep this to a reasonable length. Apart from quite wide reading in the UK media, including Matthew d’Ancona, with his insights as a Tory into May and her party, I have drawn on some French and US papers. The Washington Post, for example, has a useful column by Carl Bildt, the former centre-right Swedish PM, who understands the EU and the complex issues. REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN The post-referendum events cannot be understood without examining the campaign and the result, because they created a fundamental political irreconcilability. The post-ref. mantra has been that “nobody voted to be worse off”. The problem is they did. The Leave vote was almost entirely a call for the restoration of a supposed lost sovereignty, particularly on immigration and laws. Voters were told leaving the EU would get the UK out from under, in principle and in practice. They were also told there would be no damage to the economy, apart perhaps from a bit of short-term dislocation, because the EU would cave in and allow the UK to keep its beneficial full access to the single market without having to accept freedom of movement. The “They need us more than we need them” claim, which was in effect a lie. Actually the lie of the campaign, vastly more serious than the NHS pledge. But a lie only works if it is believed. The basic idea that any organisation would allow a non-member to have for free the benefits members had to pay for should have given voters pause for thought. And anyone with half an hour or so to spare and access to a computer to learn specifically about the EU would have discovered this particular promise was at best highly questionable and probably downright false. But it was believed. Several posters here – I suspect a roughly reasonable cross-section of southern English public opinion, albeit with a male bias - not only believed it but propagated it. The likelihood is that many millions believed it. Creating a post-ref. problem, since politically you can blame the liars but not the lied to. You cannot tell voters they were too dumb to realise they were being conned. Hence the disingenuous “Nobody voted…” mantra. And it placed sensible UK politicians – those that understood and wanted to limit the potential economic damage - in a dilemma that has shaped events since. Respect the ref. result, even though it was based on a lie, and cause serious damage. Or safeguard the economy by ignoring the ref. result, at the risk of alienating millions of voters. MAY The big mistakes came early on. Such as triggering Article 50 and so setting the clock running towards March 29 2019 when she and her government seemed nowhere near prepared, either in terms of having an end result in mind or having top-notch negotiators. That photo showing Barnier and his team with files at the ready while Davis et al had an empty table in front of them did speak to the gulf in competence and preparedness. Supposedly the arcane question of pets crossing the Channel post-Brexit came up, and someone on the UK side wondered out loud how many did that per week. Barnier knew the answer, off the top of his head. And there were May’s bright red lines – out of the single market and out of any customs’ union – which immediately reduced her room for manoeuvre when she also limited the time to do a deal. Why so hamfisted? There are various reasons. I suspect she didn’t really ‘get’ the EU. Her main contact as home secretary had been on technical matters to do with immigration and deportation etc. She had never been confronted with the broader geo-political rationale, to do with uniting a previously war-torn continent, and the sense of unity that crucially requires. In that she is probably no different to many UK voters who regard the EU as only a gigantic version of dad Thatcher’s Grantham corner-shop and don’t understand , let alone want to be part of, its wider purpose. But the PM of a G7 country ought at least to know more. And this insular lack of understanding, allied to what seems like a complete absence of diplomatic nous, hardly helped her on those many sudden flights across the Channel to try to get this concession or that from EU leaders. I had assumed that in private she negotiated properly with these serious people. But evidently not. She still insulted them with mindless soundbites as if they were a bunch of geriatric Tories in Ashby-de-la-Zouch. As recently as this month she actually lectured them that “Brexit means Brexit”. This would not have mattered so much if she hadn’t so limited her room for manoeuvre in terms of time and options. No doubt about the reason. Despite being deliberately as unenthusiastic as possible a Remain voter (astutely positioning herself for either ref. outcome) and having been chosen because as home secretary she had always tried to champion sovereignty, she still felt she had to prove to Brexiters she was a complete convert to their cause. And given the sovereignty motivation behind the vast majority of the Leave vote then she had to rule out staying in the single market de jure - even if she believed the “they need us…” cave-in scenario and banked on de facto membership sans FoM. As Sir Ivan Rogers, sacked for knowing what he was talking about, said this month, she certainly did believe in cakeism over a customs’ union: "The bizarre – and total non-starter – Schroedinger’s Customs Union FCA proposal of the PM whereby we got all the benefits of staying in a CU whilst leaving it to have a fully sovereign trade policy.” But, in order to keep economic damage down, she could have argued, perfectly plausibly, that the UK was getting back quite enough sovereignty by leaving the EU and the single market, and that there was nothing in the ref. result that said the UK could not be – properly - in a customs’ union. The ref. had not insisted, she could have said, that the UK needed to be free to do trade deals. But she didn’t. She either believed the buccaneering merchant-venturer fantasy of the UK striking out on its own to do such deals across the world, or knew it was nonsense but still thought she had to convince the hardline Brexiters she was with then all the way. Equally, again to reduce economic damage, she could have argued that the services sector, as about 80 per cent of the economy, needed to be prioritised over trade in goods. But she didn’t. And if if she hadn’t already boxed herself in enough she then called an election in the expectation a bigger majority would give her more clout in talking to the EU and help get legislation through the Commons. And ended up being even more constrained by accidentally empowering the Tory headbangers and the DUP. The very last people to be in thrall to if you wanted a sensible deal. ERG AND THE DUP A parable comes to mind. A frog and a scorpion are trapped by rising flood waters, needing to cross the river to get to higher ground. So the scorpion asks the frog for a lift. “But you will sting me,” says the frog. “I won’t – that would be stupid. We would both drown.” Halfway across the scorpion stings the frog, who asks why, since they are now both going to die. “Because it’s in my nature” the scorpion says. For some of the hardliners Brexit is the culmination of decades of work. These are not so much politicians as religious fanatics. It is not a mundane question of this EU immigration rule or that trade requirement, of having to pay Brussels €xbn as opposed to €ybn. They hate the whole demeaning idea of the UK being in the EU. Soon after the ref. one Remain-voting cabinet minister was asked if his Brexit colleagues really understood just how much economic damage would be done to the country. Surely they had to. “Oh they know,” came the reply. “They just don’t care.” Easy to blame the DUP, but It is in effect a one-issue party. Its raison d’être is to keep the union together. If it doesn’t do that, irrespective of the cost, what it the point of it? Blame the politician who called the election that gave this second group of fundamentalists veto power to wield when the sticking-point with the EU was going to turn out to be over the one issue it cared about. LABOUR Apart from in wartime the job of the Opposition is to oppose. But Labour under Corbyn is opposing while not opposing. For various reasons, some the same, some different, he is just as trapped as May. He too faces the irreconcilability trap, particularly fearing to alienate a large tranche of Labour voters, but then he doesn’t have a sizeable group of MPs who want the UK out no matter what the cost. While May has been given this one duty of making Brexit happen, Corbyn’s dislike of the EU stems from an ingrained antipathy to global capitalism. To which he adds the claim – according to experts quite false – that EU membership would stop him revitalizing the economy. Apparently not one of his 2017 manifesto commitments falls foul of EU rules. That said, in contrast to May’s Hard Brexit, Labour’s alternative Semi-Hard/Semi-Soft plan, of staying properly in a customs’ union, represents the best possible compromise between respecting the ref. while limiting economic damage. EU There are three myths or truisms about the EU, two of which have been laid to rest by its performance over Brexit. Firstly, that it punishes countries that dare to step out of line. In this case It has compromised more than I thought likely, and has offered decent post-Brexit deals. Not the EU’s fault that May’s red lines ruled them out. Even so, despite that, and her general incompetence, the EU has given her probably as good a deal as she could have hoped for. There is a decent argument that May is only still PM because the EU has helped keep her in place. Not completely altruistically, of course. The EU has learned through sharp experience, before Brexit and certainly since the ref., not to trust Blighty to play the game. But it still would trust May more than Boris Johnson. The second “truth” is that the EU forces countries to keep on voting until it gets the result it wants. Not here. There is zero pressure from Brussels for a second ref. That is all coming from within the UK. The third truism is that there is always a last-minute deal. Well, perhaps, but here some factors weigh against that. As far as the EU is concerned it already has its deal. And it is nowadays less able, even if it wanted felt like it, to cobble something together in a smoke-filled room. It is more of a technocratic organisation than before, with the views of 27 countries to take into account, plus the MEPs etc. And time is getting very short, as May seems to be relying on to force MPs to vote for her deal. Most importantly, the problem is not the allocation of fish stocks, where percentages can be finagled, or traded for a consideration over dairy cattle. The Irish border is a fundamental issue crucial to the future of one of the 27. There is little or no room left for a fudged compromise. Not least because while the UK tended to see the Withdrawal talks as in essence being about the future relationship, for the EU they were always primarily about limiting the potential damage from Brexit, to itself, to its member countries and to its citizens. The future would come later. And this solidarity to protect Eire is what I was talking about earlier on – that sense of unity that has come from sharing a much broader vision of the EU than the UK has ever envisaged. This helps explain why all those not very subtle attempts by the UK to prise off individual countries not only failed but increased EU togetherness. And this solidarity will carry on if there are ever any trade talks. CONCLUSION Brexit brings to mind that yokel reply to lost townie travellers who ask how to get to such and such a place. “If I were you I wouldn’t start from here.” There never could be a perfect solution. And some other players have not helped matters. But for May there was a potential deal to be had, for which there could well have been a pre-election majority in the Commons. Leave the EU, leave the single market, but stay – properly - in a customs’ union. Which would have put Labour on the spot, since it is essentially their policy. But May, for the reasons explained, lacked pretty much every quality necessary to face down the headbangers in her party. And her catastrophic miscalculation over the election seems to have made any deal a non-starter. So, yes, the great majority of the blame lies with May. But it was also the abject willingness of voters to believe a big whopping lie that got not just May but all the players into a position where the only sensible answer as to how to reach their planned destination was to not start from where they were.
  22. 3 points
    That is grim reading; esp with Emi & Mo, both basically kicked out until Feb by Blackburn & Forest. We do have strength in depth though and so far each player coming in as cover has shown their worth to the squad.
  23. 3 points
    The people who sit near me, complain about a bloke who chunters utter rubbish. Bizarrely I've never heard him.............
  24. 3 points
    Pretty much this. Although at times it was hard to see what purpose he served he has left us in a position not just flying high in the league but the entertainment is back. It was said that this new setup was his idea and what a decision that is now proving to be
  25. 3 points