Creedence Clearwater Couto

Absolute sickener

Noooooooooo how awful 🥲

0-1 Ipswich 😐

I’m really not looking for one. I try to remain balanced and considered, and try to not allow anger or emotion cloud judgement. I’ve definitely been guilty of that in the past. People have different moral and belief structures, influenced in the main by their environment and nurture. It’s hard to say what’s right or wrong, and often misguided to judge one environment from the different moral beliefs of another. That said, I don’t believe there is any place for the death penalty, as it goes against our empathetic nature. And can agree Saudi has a long way to go to being considered moderate, of which I’ve not argued against. My belief is they’re on the path to becoming more moderate… as simple as that. A bit heavy for a football thread on a Saturday morning… 😐

Good, bad and ugly. In equal measure.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying the death sentence is in anyway comparable to a 5 year prison sentence. I was trying to make the point there that the definition of moderate is subjective. And I don't disagree with you generally, but the progress in the last few years is a bit more than you're prepared to accept. Fair enough.

Semantics that can't be used to support your argument. The Saudi legal system is undergoing large reform and there have been several key amendments and new laws in the last 3 years. Yes, the cynical side says this is only to make Saudi more business compatible with the West, but it's a start that by nature will have the consequence of self moderation. We sit on our own moral high ground in the West. A 5 year prison sentence for protesting is hardly moderate.. but of course I'm very lucky to live in a generally very moderate society. But we had a big head start....Progress is progress, and if you want more you should be careful criticising what's been achieved, no matter how small.

Poor form from you chick, as per. To get your point across you discredit the opposed view by vilification. Again, as pointed out to KC who refuses to acknowledge it, becoming ‘more moderate’ and ‘being moderate’ are two different things. Whilst Saudi remains extreme in many ways, the current regime have more moderate views towards Western culture and modern Islam, than it did 20 years ago. Is that better for you? 😘

Wrong again. You’re confusing my statement of ‘becoming more moderate’ with ‘being moderate.’ Big difference.

Nope. Check where they were 20 years ago.

I mean, if you want to take that stance you need to look closer to home too. Fact is, Saudi Arabia is becoming a more moderate state.

Not surprise with the current boxing situation. Saudi’s throwing money at it… sportswashing? Probably. But as a nation, I think they’re becoming more moderate. I also don’t see this as bad as the Qatar bid.

Well it isn’t irrelevant if that’s what’s led to the review and subsequent suspension. Again, wether the process is right or not, is up for debate. I don’t believe it is right. Ultimately, if Kenny doesn’t commit ‘foul play’ which it undoubtedly is, he raises his arm to make contact and impede a player, we’re not having this conversation.

Sorry you’ve lost me..

That free kick sums it up. Rubbish.