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  1. @1902, just a couple more thoughts: Biden's first response to appease france after the reaction to AUKUS was to give vocal support to the concept of an EU army, which is something that Macron is passionately in favour of. The Russia/Ukraine war has put defence right at the top of the European agenda; both the EU and top member states are very clearly frustrated that the main running over, what is primarily a European defense concern, is being made by the US rather than the EU, which is because the main defence apparatus to collectively deter Russia is US-led. https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/20/is-an-eu-army-coming/
  2. I'm talking about ways it could come to fruition based on approaches the EU has taken towards introducing new big ideas in the past that have been raised as aspirations by leading figures from the EU commission and politicians from member states... such as the Euro, which was an aspiration that became a reality in spite of how unlikely it was (and stupid as it turns out). If Jean-Claude Juncker is making speeches on the subject then it means that he wants people to be talking about it and getting used to the idea that it could happen with a view to building support for the idea to make it happen. My basic point is that to dismiss the obvious existence of political will for the idea in the EU with 'it's a myth/speculation/it'll never happen' is itself unsupportable speculation and dishonest; it'd be far better to actually explore the idea, but then you inevitably come to the conclusion that to have a common EU you army, you also need an elected EU President, in which case the EU has become a federation.
  3. When an EU army eventually happens, it will likely happen on the same basis that occurred with the Eurozone: That any member countries that objected would be given indefinite leave to not participate, and maybe other concessions elsewhere in order to gain unanimous approval.
  4. Where there's a will a way. I'm sure as many people would have dismissed the idea of the Eurozone in the early 70s, yet it became a reality. There exists political will among major players in the EU to create an EU army. Personally, I wouldn't argue that that's even a bad thing, but I would argue that dismissing the prospect entirely given the massive changes to the EU from the time when we joined the EEC is just not right.
  5. I'm not arguing whether there was a near-future likelihood; I'm arguing whether it was pure speculation as you asserted. The existence of positive statements from major players in the EU in favour of the concept puts the prospect far more serious than pure speculation. And the fact that the EU was showing itself to be an organism that was consistently altering its mission and assuming competences as a supreme body over the constituent nations did cut to the heart of the debate of being in the EU.
  6. Oh please. Speeches from top officials in the EU commission should be disregarded when considering the aspirations of the EU... that's just not reasonable. We weren't arguing whether it was a near-term realistic prospect, the question was whether it was on the table as a concept in the future, and it was, and dismissing that was basically dishonest. An honest answer was what you've said, but nobody was saying that back then.
  7. Maybe, my point is that Herman's assertion was wrong. Also, the fact that people were calling it a myth before the referendum, in spite of evidence to the contrary, only added to distrust of the motives of pro-Europeans when they were so obviously lying.
  8. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary "Jean-Claude Juncker calls for EU army" From March, 2015. So even at the time of the referendum, the aspiration within the EU for an EU army was no myth.
  9. Corbyn gets zero respect from me. He was the Conservative party's secret weapon that ensured there was no viable alternative no matter how incompetent the Conservatives got. He's a protest politician, and a useful idiot for all the countries like Russia who would like to see democratic countries give up their nuclear arsenals so they can have everything their way. The man is a clown and a liability, even more so than Johnson, as evidenced by the fact that Johnson won a stonking majority against him in spite of his many failings.
  10. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-army-idUSKCN1NB24Q Both Macron and the EU's rhetoric on this subject makes the aspiration far from a myth.
  11. Nah. Farage would be back like a shot standing candidates in Northern traditional labour constituencies to split the vote before you could say 'immigrayshun'.
  12. Not calling the public stupid is politics 101. Everyone knows that a lot of the public are stupid, but you won't win their votes by telling them that. In my opinion, unless something radical happens in Scotland to bring the SNP into disrepute, even as things stand, an outright Labour majority is very unlikely indeed, so a Labour leader without any strong ideological leanings is actually ideal for running a coalition government.
  13. One thing that occurs to me is that, for all his faults, Johnson is amenable to throwing money at problems, which overall has been very important in keeping people going through the Covid crisis. If he is successfully shifted by the Conservatives and he's replaced by someone along the lines of Sunak, then the less well off are going to have a really nasty few years before the next election.
  14. To be fair, it's the most intelligent thing any politician can do in a crisis.
  15. I've been watching British politics closely since the early 90s. As for the last 6 years, TM's majority wasn't that big, which is why she gambled on a GE with good polling, then made a complete hash of it, and went into minority government, so we've only had about two and a bit years of a really huge Conservative majority. This degree of internal rebellion with a leader still hanging on is unprecedented.
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