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Mick Mills, Terry Butcher, Kevin Beattie and Paul Mariner.

And yet again you show no shame whatsoever in displaying your alarming ignorance of the crucial difference between what happened under Thatcher and what is happening now. Thatcher DID NOT BORROW MONEY TO PAY FOR TAX CUTS. It is precisely because Truss is indeed recklessly funding tax cuts for the wealthy using borrowed money that has caused the markets to be so alarmed. That you can't grasp the importance of this major difference is truly astonishing. The reason why Thatcher engaged in selling off many of our assets in wide ranging privatisation was precisely to fund the tax cuts she believed would support further growth. She wasn't foolish enough to think she should fund such tax cuts using borrowed money.

They stole the idea from Red Dwarf when Lister did the same thing. NASA are a bunch of Smeg Heads.

Give it a couple of months, I think this is what they had in mind:

Haha. The rumour is that traders have given Truss the name "Daggers" ...which is named after Dagenham, two stops from Barking (mad)😅

It's come out of flicking nowhere.

At least Rupa Huq has tried to backtrack...

The country's foremost political analyst, Andrew Marr, is convinced that Labour is pretty much nailed on for victory at the next election. Starmer's performance today was head and shoulders above anything we have seen by a Tory leader in God knows how many years. There is now clear blue sky between the reckless far-right ideological driven Tories under Truss' leadership, and Starmer's Labour party driven by the interests of the ordinary worker.

Coldplay

The 'men in suits' negotiating are in fact the 'democratically elected representatives', weighted in standpoints by the relative proportions of votes different parties got. This in contrast to the 'commitments' made in manifestos of the Conservative and Labour parties. PR promised by Labour in 1997. Where is it? Voting rights for those living outside the UK more than 15 years promised in the 2015 Conservative manifesto. Where are they? Where is the mandate for Liz Truss actions this week in the 2019 manifesto? A coalition agreement agreed by different factions of weighted democratically elected representatives is of more value in my eyes than the worthless promises of the Conservatives and Labour in majority governments.

Do you seriously think this Conservative government is in the centre ground?

Speech was a bit meh generally, but a publicly owned energy company did get me going. The first nail in Thatcherism's coffin?

An interesting conference speech from Starmer (in terms of content, he'll never be a particularly appealing orator on account of his annoying, slightly nasally voice). Headline will be Great British Energy, a state-owned energy generation company. Whether it will go as far as becoming a household energy provider or focus only on generation I'm not sure, but it's an eminently sensible idea that has only been ignored for so long because of the strength of the energy lobby. Despite it being an obvious policy, I didn't expect Starmer would have the backbone for it.

Jack Cork, Jay Boothroyd, Matt Jarvis, Joey Barton, Alan Thompson, Anthony Gardener, Francis Jeffers, Michael Ricketts, Michael Ball, Gavin McCan, Seth Johnson, Steve Guppy. My word that's a long list of average garbage isn't it!

Saw this one too you might like Perkins, a former Treasury economist, has also argued that the UK is now suffering from a “Moron Risk Premium” (MRP). Basically, because the markets think government policy is fundamentally incoherent, and don’t trust the Bank of England to step in, they downgrade UK assets across the board, from the pound to gilts.

There is undoubtedly an argument that they would be more than happy to have a term out of office having handed Labour an impossible hand

Danny Mills

Agreed. It makes Labour's Magic Money Tree look like a model of fiscal prudence.

I appreciate you're much further left than I - I could actually be slightly right on many issues (poll tax, get rid of triple lock, pensioners pay NI same as everybody else and so on if they have enough income). However I think you badly underestimate Starmer. He's acting as a top general successfully winning a war rather than a local hot head battle field commander. He's picking which battles he'll fight and which are just diversions or outright electoral traps. Frankly he's playing a blinder as the polls suggest. Yes the largely right wing media like to say he's bland, grey etc - anything to try to make him seem less popular and undermine him - especially amongst his more leftward constituency. It's really a sign of their concern and a clever attack line upon him. Much better the 'clown' they would say! Many of the slightly more radical policies - PR (with which I agree) are far better argued from a position of strength in/or going for a 2nd term 😉. Let him win this 'war' first.

Hard luck @Inch High aka Inchy.. some great picks so far this season £6.24 profit on £7 invested is some going 👏🏻

I think this is what terrifies people like SKS. Millions of people vote Labour because they are the best of the worst. Some people even become members on that basis; they're not massive fans of the party's approach but stomach it because the alternative is much worse. They (Starmer, Blair, possibly even Corbyn who shamefully ignored electoral reform) know this. We'll never be short of two things; self-interested rich people and idiots. Therefore there will always be a solid base of people that vote Tory whether in PR or FPTP. Labour, however, have a more informed demographic of voters and in PR they would abandon them in their droves for parties more aligned to their viewpoint. I voted Labour under Blair and will almost certainly vote for them under Starmer but I despise the pair of them; pro-establishment shills more interested in preserving a status-quo that has served them both very well thank you very much rather than actually instigating the reform our anarchic systems that routinely dumps on the majority desperately need. If they wanted my vote under PR, they'd need to come up with proper policies that will make lasting and meaningful change, rather than just shifting one gear down from what the current Tories are doing. Corbyn had the policies, but a leader of the opposition needs to act like they're more than a sixth-form activist to earn the trust of the nation in order to enact the policies we needed. Yes, there's a lot of talk now about how there is clear daylight between the Tories and Labour, but that's got f-all to do with Starmer's radicalism and everything to do with the fact that two actual idiots in Truss and Kwarteng have gone in a direction that even a Blair-idolising Knight of the Realm won't follow.

I am aware that it is an area of high social deprivation, a shame some people are so judgemental. I'm sure we'll manage to enjoy our weekend without looking down our noses at people who have been born into acute poverty with next to no life chances.

I've just worked out on what she spent £1,800 in the Canary shop. No one's going to spot her inside this:

Just screen-shotting this for posterity!😁

Don't hugely rate Southgate but he has earned the right to manage at this World Cup. He's done more than our last how many managers? We've f*cked it up against easy sides before, at least he's generally speaking got us beating them. I'm not sure who would fancy the international gig. You're only ever 2 or 3 bad games from being nationally despised.

one semi and one final in the last two tournaments? jesus what do you want? fool

Just found this chap which counters your argument..... 😏

Well he could always talk a good game I spose

38 of which have been in the last 14 years. 😇

"In the future, everyone will manage Watford for 15 minutes" - Andy Warhol

This is just naked, ideologically-driven slash and burn with no regard whatsoever to any pretense at prudence. I really hope the Lib Dems can make themselves sufficiently attractive to push the Conservatives into third, because the Conservative party genuinely deserves oblivion at this point.

From the Independent: "Commentators noted that the IMF’s wording closely resembled warnings it typically gives to emergency economies in the throes of a current account crisis. This comes after Larry Summers, a former US treasury secretary, accused Britain of “behaving a bit like an emerging market turning itself into a submerging market”. Serious stuff. An incredible thing to have done within the first 20 days of your premiership. You move to try and cap energy costs to help families and then follow up a week later with measures that really kick them where it hurts. You undermine confidence in you and unite a country against you. Quite incredible.

Ocean Colour Scene.

Six of the best for copying someone's homework at the CNS. Three of us caught but I got six rather than three because the Headmaster said to us (real names hidden) "So you're Smith, Brown and White". And I said "No, we're the Beverley Sisters". Cheeky beggar. He made the bullet, I fired it and he belted me. I bet he used that one himself later.

🤣im finding it hard to keep my side of meh up , as im so meh about it all.

Agree with almost all of them but Matt Jarvis could actually play football if he was fit, which was basically never so maybe I do have to agree with you on that one.

Andrew Sinton. Although you were spoilt for choice in Graham Taylor's era.

Maguire is in terrible form, but was certainly one of our standout players at the last world cup. He's fully deserved his place in the past and shouldn't be on a list of complete duds imo. He does need a regain some semblance of form before selected again though. Michael Ricketts on the other hand... 🙂

Now you're talking! 😄

Have they been delivered though? Royal Mail striking aren't they?

So you're voting Labour then. Pleased we got that sorted out.

Spot on Southgate has almost got us glory 3 times now, yet he is despised by many. It’s a funny old world as many think Pickford shouldn’t be the England goalkeeper, yet I am now hoping he is fully fit in November / December.

CM, there is never going to be any kind of formal deal at the national level, or even more locally. And, yes, in many constituencies, for the reasons you outline, there will not be even a de facto local deal. But apparently there have already been such deals in a few by-elections. And the absolute necessity of kicking out the Tories is such that I can see that happening in the next general election. I do not believe there has been a postwar government/party so reviled for immoral decisions and which at the same time is spectacularly incompetent.

Is Labour doing well or is it just a consequence of the Tories ineptitude?

Thanks @ZLF 22 sold now.

In fairness, Adams and Grant both made sense. Grant had been assistant coach to Pardew at West Ham when they finished 9th and reached the 2006 FA cup final... the one where they really should have won and had Ashton playing. The argument here is perhaps that good assistant managers don't always make the best managers. Though I suspect no one would have complained had it of been Bowen, for example. Adams had been successful with the Youth Cup, and much of that side was, at his appointment, in or around the senior set up. Both the Murphy's had pushed on, Morris and a few others on the periphery too. In some senses it made sense if he knew how to get the best out of those players. To be fair, he was also not doing too badly. In fact, he did better than both of the other two. At some point, assistant coaches, youth team coaches, assistant managers, will apply to be managers and somewhere will give them that chance, it's then up to them to to take the opportunity. That's about it.

Ha ha fcuking ha. Best news of the weekend. Plymouth go top and the binners do their usual and lose against the good teams. And all set up by one of our own. The choke has started.

Best couple of grand the government has ever spent to be fair, can they buy us a defensive midfielder?