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I'll be honest it was really weird seeing grown men online, on here and other networks, constantly discussing Todd's hair and attire. Some of you were in your 60s and 70s and the lad was 19 or whatever. Creepy and weird.

No. What Bailey said is that we refused to pay Andrich (Skipp replacement) £60k a week nor would we meet St Juste's demands. We could have afforded them, but chose not to, partly because Webber wasn't convinced we'd have a sufficient squad size if he followed Farke's recruitment wishes. Webber pursued his own recruitment policy which, in an act of stupidity that is hard to rival, didn't include a Skipp replacement and failed to improve our defence.

I can't say I'd be thrilled, but at the same time, I'll not hold it against a manager who got us out of a parlous financial situation with a litany of aging players on high wages, was brave in being willing to give promising youngsters game time and with a brand of football that took some time to gel, but was irresistible at Championship level when it clicked. It'll stick in the craw a bit, but he owes us nothing. I'll wish him the best of luck at Leeds anyway - and let's face it, if he does come back to Carrow Road we'll have the chance to say "thanks for the memories" that we never really had.

A Pinkun team? Not sure a team with 6 players and 600 managers would work.

Yeah, Astley never gonna let you down tbf

Better than what's on the stage. Probably an unpopular opinion, but they're sh*te.

I salute you Sir . We really do get everywhere .

It's a special motorway operation.

The fact it’s likely he’ll end up at Leeds, a league rival, and he’s still making decisions on transfers is unacceptable and totally in line with our recent incompetence. No other club would accept this “12 month” notice stuff. It’s an absolute farce. The guy needs to be on gardening leave. How could anyone think that he shouldn’t be?

I dont know if, with any other player, we had threads started on here about (they're all still viewable on this forum by the way) - Is Todd gay - grown men debating - Todd needs to cut his hair because he's attention seeking - Todd deserves stick if he's going to dress like that - An entire thread dedicated to a top less picture of Todf Unfortunately he's not making it up. Some of it got exceptionally personal on twitter / Instagram. Concerningly so. 50 year old blokes harassing him on Instagram if he uploaded a picture with his top off. I think he should have simply avoided social media but for his generation it's actually quite a sacrifice and I don't think it's the real answer.

Well the first responses speak volumes. Well done guys. Well done you.

The problem was that we had moved away from Farkeball that summer by selling Emi and bringing in Rashica, Tzolis & Sargent. We hoped that a counterattacking approach would serve us better than Farkeball two years before. Sadly, we struggled even more! So, the real problem, as far as I see it, was not sticking to Farkeball and concentrating our cash on direct replacements for Emi and Skipp. We would have probably still gone down but by sticking to the original principles of the Webberlution would've bounced back this season miles stronger than we currently are ... and still with Farke at the helm. Webber lost his nerve with his own project ... if you don't have the money to buy survival you need something else - a clear style, roles that players understand and were bought to fulfil and a long term vision. We HAD that ... and flushed it away - whilst Farke was still here.

It was always likely Daniel would get another job in the Championship. But still...

When the same people that supported Dean Smith started supporting Webber even after he’d directly gone after the fanbase, I don’t know mate. All seemed a bit “nipple clamps in the basement masochistic” to me. Decided to dip out. ”Hurt me more Mister Webber!” I can only be so right about everything at the end of the day. I was reaching worryingly high levels of being right about everything.

Just catching up after being away from this circus for a few weeks, not that I'm that bothered anymore. My my, what a joke of a Club we have become. Masters of our own downfall. Somebody needs to get a grip and quick. However, I doubt the clowns running the Club are up to it.

When you’re dealing with Terminally Yellow or a poster of equal stance you need all the help you can get… : D

Completely this. There are obviously talks going on of some description and for the club to take on faith that he will make the best decisions over transfers knowing he will potentially be SD in a direct rival is just huge incompetence. The industry is literally a results one. If he is allowed to have a hand in our transfers he should surely be required not to sign for a competing club. It’s not a Stuart Webber problem, this idiocy is from the top. It’s embarrassing naïveté

Of course he wasn't blameless and of course he had his faults. But so does every single player and every single coach, including Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo and Pep Guardiola. When you consider Farke's strengths and weaknesses as a whole, and look at every level of the club from top to bottom, I certainly don't think he was the problem.

As much fun as it is to see Putin under pressure, we need to be wary of what sort of character replaces him, should it come to that

Like @Parma Ham's gone mouldy feeling sad at this prospect, but there is clear problem here. The NCFC v Leeds fixture this season on Oct 12th. About twelve games in, with presumably a lot of new players trying to settle in, Wagner trying to reverse the downward trend from last season, ......really the atmosphere could well be toxic by then and Leeds coming and rubbing our noses in it with Farke in charge will just about be the worst thing for morale. We'll even know by then if Webber is going there. Interesting season coming up, football is a strange world, but Farke coming to CR with a main rival, should not be happening. Thrown out trying to do the impossible, when he should have been nurtured and encouraged.

I have a bit to add to the State of the Nation, but in short if Farke and Webber end up at Leeds together, surely that is tacit acknowledgment that our top level failures were due to lack of resources not management personnel? All things cannot be concurrently true can they? Farke to Leeds would make me incredibly sad. Parma

I mean, it’s par for the course at the moment surely? just waiting for Wes Hoolahan becoming an Ipswich coach or something.

Please God no. Parma

Two new threads for you to start in the morning, one with the fixtures and one about the Cup draw.

And if they were made of decent material. Those nylon nightmares they flog at exorbitant prices should have been abandoned years ago.

“I don’t mind a coup but could you try and be less messy please!”

I was a fan of AM up to when they started dressing like 50's rockers and making lounge-pop. I'm all for bands branching out and changing up their style but that isn't a sound that appealed to me and it felt like a triumph of style over substance. I get why they changed course because it feels like there's been a bit of an indie-rock hangover going about right now where people are tired of that type of mid-2000's rock sound, kinda similar to the britpop hangover people felt in the 2000's that actually ended up popularizing bands like AM who at the time sounded really fresh after the britpop era. Funny thing is that's kind of come around again and a lot of people are enjoying Oasis/Blur etc right now so no doubt in the future that type of sound that early AM had will become popular again and if they're still around they might end up making another energetic rock album.

Agreed. Foos best so far. Taylor Hawkins was a legend, and impossible to replace, but the new guy done good.

The defensive midfielder is the key position in the Wagner philosophy though. He has to have presence of mind to be able to cover gaps left by the full backs bombing forward and central defenders moving a little wider to cover the channels left by them. He then has to find the space and position himself in such a way ready not just to receive the ball back when possession is turned over, but to then himself be able to get the ball moving forwards again to facilitate an attack. This can mean playing long balls with great accuracy to make up for the fact that he's had to drop deep to cover the defence. He then also has to be aware what's going on further up the field to allow himself the chance to move forwards and affect play further up. I doubt there's another role in Championship football that demands so much. You look at Huddersfield when they were successful under Wagner and they had Jonathan Hogg playing that role. He's a player who (IMO) is a defensive minded player first, with the playmaking responsibilities a second. He also benefitted from having Phillip Billing next to him who had the stamina and strength to be all over the shop. For me, McLean should be our Phillip Billing. The player who gets back and helps out as an anchor when needed, but is more involved going forward. Right now, this position is taken by Sara. In competition with McLean should be Gibbs, who I think has the ability to do this role, but may need a bit more polishing when it comes to positioning and general defensive abilities. It will come with time and experience though. Sara should, in my view, be pushed further forward and left to be an offensive talent. He should compete with Nunez for that particular role. A new defensive midfielder should then be brought in to fill the roll that Hogg did at Huddersfield, a much more defensively inclined player. Sorenson can be back up, not that I think he has the defensive nous for this role, but he is a player with good instinct and ball skills. For me, if we are pushing McLean into this position again, it's another example of Wagner trying to fill round holes with square pegs.

Intriguing to see how well this works. As an ex- venue manager I'm fascinated by the idea of a wall of beer that customers pull pints from themselves which reduces queue time.

Apparently if you say Snodgrass to the mirror four times and then spin around Lakey will appear and tell you how awful he was.

See the thing is I don't really remember an awful lot of unprompted hair-bashing or clothes criticism, the TC narrative is pretty much entirely given life by the guy himself. Much like in this instance, nobody was talking about Cantwell until he sparked it. We have plenty of players given much worse social media abuse, who haven't found any need to publicly sound off at all. When he gets over it, everyone else will.

The moment Webber announced in March that he would leave at some point over the next twelve months, the exact moment to be decided by him and not by the club, we should have put him on gardening leave and started looking for a successor. That successor should now be in place and working towards the future that HE wants at the club, not Webber, who no longer has any future interest in NCFC. The conflict of interest should have been obvious. Delia and Michael should be 'devastated' by what has happened to the club over the last two years, they should be 'devastated' by the disconnect between the fans and the club, they should be 'devastated' by the freezing out of the local media, but are they? No, apparently they are devastated because Stuart is leaving. It's disgusting that this wannabe has been allowed to dictate to the club when and in what circumstances he leaves, more like an emperor than an employee. The whole thing is incompetence of an embarrassingly naive order. EDIT: Until now, I have never been someone who wanted them out. Now I can't wait for them to leave because that is the only way our club is not heading to L1 again.

Tons of proven experience in the Championship and Premier League, a proven fighter/sh*thouse for a team that badly needs one or two, as an attacker demonstrated to have decent touch, excellent workrate and an ability to get other players into the game at our level, in our league. Bakasetas looks like another attacking midfielder. We've already got Sara, Nunez, to a lesser extent Gibbs... and Bakasetas has only played in the Greek and Turkish leagues. If we're going to get veterans, we might as well get battle-hardened pros who are used to the British game so the adaptation is simply to how we choose to play, not a whole different culture where we all know it generally takes far longer.

South East Water blames working from home for hosepipe ban

Reports that Wagner are actually after a likely lightly defended nuclear weapons depot near Borisoglebsk, Voronezh Oblast. Hmm.

Already been explained earlier....if on GL then he'd have all the time in the world ( not just 90%)) to be thinking about his next job. The Devil makes work for idle hands...as you, Waveney and Ethics prove on a daily basis. Eeeejit.

Wagner can’t just hang around and wait to get sieged, they have to push on. I don’t imagine they’ll encounter much resistance from regular Russian forces The siege of Moscow is on, if there’s any British nationals there right now they should get out ASAP, always love the guys that just hang around in a war zone then demand an evacuation

I don't see this as affecting the Ukrainian offensive in the short term as the defensive positions will be already made, but it will certaintly limit Russians ability to mobilise and re-inforce in the medium term.

I sometimes wonder myself.

‘Never got a proper run out’ And that’s numberwang

I always wondered where the club singer from Shooting Stars had ended up. 😁 Apples

Interesting thoughts. There is a theory that what we think of as consciousness and free will is all an illusion. We think we are making decisions but in reality the decision is already made by some form of organic programme within ourselves that we think we control. Ie we are personal observers of something not unsimilar to the glorified zx81 you describe. That's all for rhe movies now though. Our cyber overlords will come but before then its the jobs we need to worry about.

Some might argue that insurance is a form of gambling.

Certainly I bought it in December 1980. I used an endowment mortgage because mortgage rates were nigh on 15%. I was lucky and had money over at the end. My son is leaving the military after his 22 years. He came back down to Cornwall where he grew up and looked for houses. He gave up. They are far to overpriced for what you get, and then have to spend money on anyway. He has bought a four bedroomed detached in Lincolnshire with plenty of land and outbuildings for £100K less than my 3 bedroomed. he likes Norwich even though he has never lived there and looked for houses there but they were too much as well. He can be in Norwich within two hours from Lincolnshire.

The daftest thing is that I have never watched a full episode of On The Buses but I seem to know all the stupid catchphrases.

Ipswich at Sunderland at 17:00 on the opening Sunday just means that Monday's bin collections will be late

Snodgrass wouldn't let him, he would want to do it all himself.

But that's the Socialists for you, isn't it? They have been desperate for Webber to carry on as long as possible because without him they are lost. Even after 27 years they still have no clue about football and rely entirely on someone else coming in to take it off their hands. We have all seen what happens when Delia gets involved in football decisions, eg. Gunn, Adams, etc.