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I know two Argyle season ticket holders at our Golf Club and both were surprised he got their POTS. They said yes he could get forward and did score some goals but as a defender he went missing up the pitch. Lets not get carried away with the fact that one of ours caught the eye in L1. We are looking to improve, not stay still and Mumba was unlikely to get in a team that looks as though it will play four at the back. And if we get money for him then we can send that on someone elses wages. If he comes back to haunt us then thats life.

I think this is one of the most inexplicable bits of transfer business I can ever remember us doing - in or out - in 37 years of supporting the club. If we signed a player who'd just won Young Player of the Season in League One, could play either side, at full back or on the wing, for 1 million, we'd all be delighted. And after the debacle of last season, he was one of the very few players I was looking forward to seeing in a City shirt next year. Genuinely baffled. And just as baffled by the people claiming it makes sense. But each to their own.

Errrm...what league was Fisher opperating in last season?

Love this guy...

The problem with Mumba is that he's very short and easy to knock off the ball. He's therefore not suitable to play at full back and we never play with three at the back. He's definitely not a better player than the wide attacking players we have so where on earth would he play? It looks like Wagner had a look and decided against. I'm a bit baffled that people are upset. It doesn't sound like there's a queue of clubs waiting to sign him. £800k to Plymouth sounds about right to me.

This is incredibly disappointing for a number of reasons but the biggest issue is that it's yet another step in our disastrous transition away from skilful/technical towards physical ('pragmatic') football. It's Webber continuing to chase his losses two seasons after he gambled his house on red and blew the lot. The hope that many of us retain for the medium term is entirely based on bringing through exciting young players like Mumba. Selling him removes that hope and leaves us with the stark reality of a squad bereft of ability and confidence. Where does our future lie if we're going to let players like this go? I wouldn't be at all surprised if Plymouth have a far better season than us. We seem to be rapidly becoming a basket case of a club. I've been calling for patience but we need something to be positive about. As others have said, we should be signing players like this, not selling them.

I agree but equally our fans need to develop some backbone of their own and try supporting for longer than 30 minutes...

Wow, this guy Fisher has played part of one friendly game for us and did well in the National League last season and suddenly he's clearly ahead of a player who was winning Young Player of the Season in L1. I must watch the game against AZ again because somehow I failed to spot this budding Maldini. The same thing is happening with Sainz. He hasn't kicked a ball yet and already he's our messiah.

We suddenly feel more like a QPR, Birmingham or Reading than a Middlesbrough or Bournemouth- really disappointing and anyone who denies we are regressing at pace is blind.

Just maybe it is Mumba that wants this move and is doing the pushing. Clearly he had a guaranteed first team spot at Plymouth for the first time in his career. He has come back to Norwich and it looks from the outside that he is on the fringes of the first team plus we are not even going to play wing backs his preferred position. So maybe he thinks nah I don’t fancy being a bit part player when I can be a first team regular at Plymouth. When there are no guarantees at Norwich.

Bonkers decision 🤷‍♂️

This would be immensley dumb but also very Webber right now. Tzolis has shown absolutely nothing in the last two seasons, both here and at Twente. Focusing on him on the off chance he comes good, rather than focusing on a player coming back full of confidence after winning the League One Young Player of the Season award stinks of sunk cost chasing. Also, if we're selling a promising young player because he doesn't fit the system of a manager who may well not be here past October based on his recent record then we're engaged in the sort of short term thinking having a Sporting Director in place is supposed to avoid. Just very stupid all round.

This is perhaps the best example yet, if true, of the madness of Webber and Wagner. A clearly talented player, who performed beyond all expectation last year, and who will be sold at a time that we are weak in every position that he could fill. I absolutely despair at the state of our club right now. Any other manager / director of football would be factoring Mumba into their plans. But not the morons at our club. As soon as Webber has left and Wagner is sacked by Christmas it will be even more regrettable.

WTF is happening …….. confusing to say the least.

Beacause I get the feeling this is going to be a long season ahead. Of course,I would love to be able to do some classic lakey style happy clapping about how all will be fine and I do hope that it will be yet even he seems to be a bit down right now which says it all. An awful home kit, Shortage of centrebacks, new arrivals turning up injured, selling one of only a few players I was looking forward to seeing play (Mumba) for peanuts, a failure to bother signing a defensive midfielder or attacking midfielder despite our obvious issues with both positions that has become our undoing.. Nevermind Sara missing in action along with a manager who seems happy to play players out of position and that we are coming off of a season which ended with just one win in ten. I hate being negative. I wish I could feel better. I wish I could hold hands and start signing things can only get better but honestly the truth is I am starting to worry just a little bit.

If nothing else he came from a team with a winning mentality - we need that. What a rubbish decision from the club who are having one of the worst summers I can remember. Awful window so far - we are going backwards not forwards and are clearly so broke we need Plymouth’s million more than a massively exciting up and coming player who plays with creativity on the wing- a position we admit we are short in. Madness

Not going to get a lot with £800k

I think when many of us felt down last season, seeing Mumba score against the scum, going on to get promotion and winning his award everyone had hope that he would come into this squad as a positive influence this season. That's a lot of the negative reaction to his sale, I'm sure of it.

Yes, it was a lower level, but some of the people arguing this (not you) are being rather selective in their logic when they say that Fisher can take over as cover for RB. Somehow it doesn't seem to matter that he has come from an even lower level. I hope for his sake it's the case that Bali wanted to leave. It doesn't sound as if Wagner went out of his way to get him involved on his return. Whether it's true or not, I expect the club to put out via the PinkUn fairly soon that it was the player's choice. I imagine they have been rather surprised by the reaction of many fans to this news (this is assuming the club gives a damn what fans think, which is debatable nowadays).

A million for a league player of the year, at such a young age, is bad business. Many of us would have involved him down that left side next season. He had the perfect opportunity to step in for Sainz, for example. And that’s assuming Sainz is any good. Given Webber’s recent track record that can’t be assumed. Anyhow, if Wagner wasn’t going to play him then he should have been loaned. The club should have the sense to see the jury is out on Wagner himself. Relegation from end to the season and a short-term contract. It may well be the case that Mumba and his style of play would be key for our next manager. A loan with a recall option in January would have covered all the above.

Last season was depressing, this season could be even worse Manager doesn’t inspire me B.O. D living in the past Bit like Norwich City Council waste of space

I see it like this ... 1. He's shown actual promise. There's evidence there. 2. We could give him some time in a different position, specifically left winger, to see what he can do. Even a half season. At a position of need. 3. Instead we're shipping him out for a pretty small sum to a rival. It just seems like we didn't even really try. We don't have much money, we don't have much talent, but as fans I think we at least hope the club can try?

He’ll have pushed after being told he’s not in the thinking. But it’s perplexing why he isn’t. Our left side options are poor

If there is a good sell on clause this could actually be a very good piece of business. An awful lot on here are unhappy with the Idah situation, many feeling he should have been loaned out to develop. With Mumba, as quite a few on here have said (are they club apologists?), there was no prospect of him getting in the starting line up regularly, at full back or winger, left or right and definitely not as a wing back. Like Idah, this would mean he would fail to develop. At the end of the following season there would be a real risk that Mumba himself would be pissed off and the club would get bobbins for a fee as he moved on. The club's thinking is that Plymouth want him, are prepared to pay something for him that other clubs might not right now, if he is successful at Plymouth they may sell him on for a very good fee and Plymouth right now are probably quite prepared to accept a big sell on clause which would yield Norwich a good return in the future if this happens. If he actually proves to be not quite as good as most on here seem to believe, at least we have a million in the bank and have moved on a plyer who would increasingly become demotivated. I also think that Mumba has pushed for this move. He did so at Sunderland, this suggests he has an agent (boo, hiss) who is not slow on getting his clients transfers. Perhaps the lull in the transfer market meant that the stars were aligned for this transfer to happen to fill the boredom. I wonder as well as to what else is about to happen?

Not having read any of this thread but chiming in to say ... this is f*cking stupid. HE IS A WINGER. For the love of God why (a) insist on not playing him in his natural position and then (b) sell him for cheap following his breakout season?? I don't get this and I think we'll regret this decision very much.

Don't really get the furore. Is he really that good? If the coach doesn't fancy him then he doesn't, simple as that really.

Get a bigger TV. You'll get greater insight to the game and that will make it more exciting. If you really want to up the ante you could move to Norway.

Can't wait either, maybe if you don't go to matches there's less excitement, but I'm really looking forward to having a beer, seeing a few of the regulars and getting in the ground, seeing that lovely green pitch and just taking in the atmosphere in. That buzz of opening day is great. There's so many players i'm looking forward to seeing as well, Barnes coming over to the Barclay, seeing Kenny back, Sara hopefully progressing, seeing Stacey in person, want to see how big Duffy is, curious who's running wide and if they can step up. Sarge as our man up front I'm really keen on seeing. There's just so much to look forward to, and questions that we'll see answers to in the games that unravel. That now said, it'll probably **** down on the opening day, beer will be off, and we'll lose to a **** last minute goal! lol

I thought this was going to be about little blue pills 😃

This fits the general pattern of the club selling creative or talented players or letting them leave on a free. There's been a general dilution of talent over the past few seasons and this seems to be just the latest example. The club seems to have no idea what its doing and don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at this point. I suspect we may regret not hanging on to the League One Young Player of the Year when we're playing there in a couple of seasons.

What has Idah got to do with it? We are talking about a player where we already have two left backs. We won't be using wing backs and we have two left sided wide players already. So if DW says to Mumba that he might not be a starter, then just maybe the player wants to go to a team he walks into.

There was me thinking you may post something without reference to your beloved Farke, how wrong I was 🤣🤣🤣

It does seem a strange one, if true. Surely the League One Young Player of the Season, a regular starter in a team who won the league with over 100 points, is worth more than a club like Plymouth would be able to pay? We're short on wingers with Sainz out injured, so I would've thought he'd get a chance, especially if he's competing with just Hernandez, Placheta, Tzolis and Rowe, none of whom are particularly convincing for varying reasons.

So we are crying out for creativity/ Mumba was amongst the most creative in his league last year playing a little further forward, so instead of playing to his strength we are going to hand him for peanuts to a relegation rival. I have no words.

Never stopped you making a new thread though

A mixed set of results but perhaps the most interesting was in Somerset. The Labour vote dropped from 8,000 to 1,000. Half of that drop was due to a very low turnout, the other half as a result of Labour voters lending their votes to the Lib Dems. The Tory in Ruislip accepted he had only won because of ULEZ which in my mind makes the result unreliable. The majority was 500 but 3,000 votes were cast for candidates who got less than 1,000 votes. God knows why, what on earth goes through people's minds? The result in Selby will be the one that frightens Sunak. An enormous swing to Labour and the Lib Dem vote fell from 4,800 to 1,000. As with Somerset, half of that drop is turnout but the other half is vote lending.

You are Bill, and I claim my five pounds.

No, the team got deserved criticism after some very silly cricket. This test has shown what can happen if we stay out of our own way. We've played to the conditions, not walked into obvious traps, played big shots when it was the right time and not dropped a bunch of catches. The reason some of us were so frustrated is because we knew this was an excellent team who kept shooting themselves in the foot. I'm glad that's stopped for now.

Somewhere between 10th and 20th.

On what evidence? He was dreadful for us last season before his loan. Against Bournemouth in the cup he was laughably bad. Maybe he's a player that will excel in a slower, more technical league but he's not up for a battle 2 a week. I all honesty, one of the most underwhelming signings in recent history.

I'm 64 in a week or two but I still get excited. Mainly when I see Hannah Fry on tv.

We're more likely to be relegated than promoted. Not saying that will happen, mind; bottom half mediocrity is more likely. But there's a gnat's chance in a supernova that this bunch are going to get promoted. The recruitment/player retention strategy seems to be to let the best/proven players leave and replace them with (at best) unknowns. The squad has been destroyed by successive iterations of this. As for the manager, most clubs would have fired him by now. The trajectory is only in one direction. It's almost like we got promoted twice and someone just pissed all the proceeds up the wall. What a **** show.

He didn't play left wing. He was wing back which is totally different. I would rather rely on those who saw him play rather than our fans who didn't.

You can only make money from those players who others wish to pay for. Parma

An outrageous slur hogesar. Cambridge once wrote on here that a relative took him to a match in the 90's ( wink )

For me you’ve hit the nail on the head - it’s about what Wagner wants, sadly. Rather than the talent of the lad. It’s baffling how those two things can’t work - but clearly he’s not fancied. It will be a regrettable decision. Especially when we sack Wagner for a continuation of his uselessness at the tail end of last season

Yeah, you Cambridge, who hasn't attended a live game of football in his life, knows Mumba's position better than Wagner.

Lots of people forgetting just how incredibly poor we were towards the end of last season! I hope I'm wrong, but can't share the confidence. 1: Boro 2: Leeds Playoff winner: Leicester Playoff losers: Ipswich, Saints, Sunderland Norwich to finish about 17th, Wagner gone by Xmas.

People can drink what they want - but with excellent breweries on the doorstep you’d hope there was a good supply of local stuff. I’m not a beer snob and will drink whatever is on offer, but do prefer a decent pint. I always remember this review given for (or at least hung on the wall of) my local decent hostelry…