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I live here in the Tampa Bay Area and I put this on twitter if any of you care. Sad about Jonathan Rowe he will be out for a while with a foot injury he was walking around in a boot & crutches I asked him how it was and he said “Not good but didn’t have the results back yet” & I asked Tzolis if he was coming back in January and he said likely not. Also congratulated Kenny on his new contract which was announced on the website during the practice and when he came to say hello to the fans and he was like finally it’s been done for a while. It was good times wasn’t organized very well with it being Announced last minute and right before the England usa match and everyone including players wanted to leave pretty quickly to get back over the bridge to Tampa. Btw the heat here is almost like Qatar right now and these players were gasping after only a few mins. I can only imagine how the European teams are feeling over there playing in the heat.

For those that prefer objective data to gut reaction/ prejudice, this suggests KM is 118th out of 443 championship midfielders by their model which is around the top quarter, which sounds about right to me. Last Championship season he was in the top 10%, but was in the bottom 15% in the Premier league last year. Given that he will not require a fee and is seen as "an experienced head" it seems a pretty sensible decision to me. Good championship player who struggles at EPL level. The idea that we should replace all our midfield and only buy premier league standard players is a bit naive. https://footystats.org/players/scotland/kenny-mclean

Even better? Comedy gold, in case you havn't noticed just about everyone who knows about such things accepts we are in a recession, and a recession that is forecast to hit the UK harder than any other top 20 economy except Russia. What is different about the UK? The economy still hasn't recovered its pre Covid levels and living standards haven't recovered from the crash in 2007. Why?

I heard he had 'Smith Out' stitched to his underpants too.

Jesus Christ, I haven't posted on here for about 2 years, although been reading but nothing has forced me out of hiding to post like this utter utter garbage being spoken by the Dark Knight. I actually genuinely can't believe what I'm reading, so I just wanted to pop on to add to the list of people calling you a deluded fool. See you all in another couple of years.

"Billy Gilmour got an assist in the Carabao Cup and that's the reason he'd walk into the England side" It gets funnier and funnier

That makes an assumption I support Labour, I don’t I have always been a Tory voter, however I should stress I will do anything possible to bring my Tory MP down in the next GE. I will support whoever will challenge my MP and hopefully remove her from Westminster. I can find no Labour donors going to prison in that period, however I can see lots of problems around MPs expenses, and at the time supported the jailing of anyone involved. Recently we had hundreds of offences committed by people connected to the Tories and the Tory supporters reckoned the one against Kier Starmer which he was cleared of, was worse than all those 100’s put together, so excuse my scepticism that there is a bit of Trumpism going on here.

Yeah I'm well aware of Brighton and their midfield. Now Caicedo would walk straight into the England side sure. But Gilmour isn't close to him right now. This says it perfectly. Gilmour's glaring weaknesses means he essentially needs the entire midfield built around him and his strengths don't justify doing that. And as @kirku says, this isn't bitterness about his failure here- it is your ludicrous insistence that he'd be walking into the midfield of a World Cup semi finalist and European Championship finalist when he can't even get off the bench for Brighton. There is a massive middle ground between 'Gilmour isn't as bad as some Norwich fans say' (something I'd probably agree with) and 'he'd walk into the England team.'

I have a little bit of a strange obsession with Gregg Wallace. It started when I paused Masterchef years ago and got the (not unusual) stupid expression captured of, I think, John Torode. After catching a second one, I sent a photo to my daughter and now if I see an opportunity to catch an “interesting” shot of Gregg, I’m there. Other friends have joined in if they see a good one. Some of the best from my collection: Nervous Gregg: Egg Gregg: Coy Gregg: Cabbage Gregg:

And Nunez and Sara. No one's saying he's a shoe in. If you read the article where Smith reflects this, the squad have a leadership team that are voted in by the players. McLean is in it. It's a squad game and if he slowly fades to a bench role, or back up left back role over the next two seasons we know what he can deliver when called upon. Makes sense. His replacements could already be at the club. Sara, Nunez, Gibbs and poss Hayden. Oh and the argument that he was only good because he played alongside Skipp? Go home. Shut the door and stand in the corner. I suppose Grant Holt was only good because of Wes Hoolahan. Huckerby because of Adam Drury. Bellamy because of Roberts. Pukki because of Buendia. Footy is all about finding players that work well together. We have always relied upon that more than having a team burgeoning with individual tallent.

It is a skateboard I will take a picture of it when I get home from work. I made it myself

Just want to point out DK hasn’t insulted anyone. I completely disagree with him but look at his post history, one of the most respectful guys on here. Maybe some of the trolls can get back in their box and just agree to disagree. Edit: this doesn’t apply to all replies

Not to mention PLM, Gilmour and Normann! And the thing is that none of these players would have even considered us when we in the championship - getting premier league quality players when you are in the championship is even harder than getting them once you are promoted.

If you want a clear understanding of Billy Gilmour as a complete midfielder, all you have to do is look at the highlights from all of Norwich's games in which he played last season. He features in most of the goals: you can see him jogging back into the shot just as the ball is slammed into the Norwich goal. I don't think they keep reliable stats for positional errors or failing to track your man so claiming that your son wee Billy was statistically our best midfielder is a bit like saying Tim Krul was our best striker because all his shots were on target. Ultimately there's a reason why he isn't getting a game for Brighton. It's possible that he will develop the missing bits of his game, but it's totally absurd to claim that he already has an all round game appropriate to the Premier League. He probably should have gone on loan in League 1 last season and then the Championship this time, otherwise I'm not sure how he'll get the minutes required to actually learn. Oh, an one thing Billy really didn't do for Norwich was 'show for the ball'. And he certainly never turned anyone. He did hit some nice passes into threatening areas, but he didn't really understand Pukki's movement or how to thread a through-ball for him to run on to. It was a monumental mistake for Norwich to think that Gilmour would be up to the required standard. Farke got it reasonably quickly and dropped him. Sadly Dean Smith didn't - like with so many other facets of his tenure - so we were treated to a whole season of watching his shortcomings first hand.

An interesting article. Here is a snippet.

Mate, you posted an excruciatingly stupid statement about playing football at an international level. You had no point. You're now being condescending and posting pics.

This probably confirms that whilst he may have been good enough for an automatic promotion team 2 and 4 seasons ago...he's not now His performance in this league isnt what it was..coupled by the fact he was alongside Skipp 2 seasons ago We should be looking for an upgrade on a 30 yr old who is on the wain and isnt going to get any better....not handing out 2/3 yr contracts

Equally, anyone would think you were talking about some Champions League midfielder who's been in good form and grabbed 5 goals and 8 assists half way through this season. Instead you're talking about Billy Gilmour who can barely get minutes off the bench for a Brighton side that will likely finish midtable. A Billy Gilmour who Brighton will delightfully allow to go on loan. A Billy Gilmour who has played 13 minutes of football this season. He can't even be trusted as an option to rest their better players. A total of over 2000 Premier League minutes for Chelsea, Norwich and Brighton with a single assist to show for all that passing and awareness.

Bravo to LYB and sonyc, unlucky Purple. Apples

Walking is about as much as Billy Gilmour can be attributed with in terms of ability. He can probably walk. He wouldn't get anywhere near England's midfield. He's a championship player. John Stones would perform better in midfield than Billy f*cking Gilmour

Can't for the life of me think why you didn't copy and paste the graph from that OECD report. Perhaps you would like to explain? Anyway, to help you and others out here it is:

Oh, and (you may want to look away for this one), Sex Gregg:

Reminder that the 3rd Round of group games starts tomorrow. Round 2 has been difficult so where one picker gains in one game fails back in another so currently @Aggy maintains his lead.

Before Brexit you were more likely to see an immigrant in the consulting room, on the ward, in the operating theatre or in the care home than in the waiting room.

Sorry DK. I have to agree with the BG is not good enough camp, albeit less vehemently. England looked a bit short of ideas vs USA not because we are missing a Billy Gilmour, but because Southgate is pants. While we played very uninspiring football vs USA they hardly dominated us to the point of creating much in the way of golden chances. They were energetic and set up well against a boring Southgate tactical borefest. It’s no different to a non league side taking on a Chris Hughton Norwich side in a cup game.

Unlucky @PurpleCanary; well done @sonyc I really enjoyed that. Thanks again for the invitation, @nutty nigel, and thanks again for all the cracking suggestions to everybody else!

Big limitations in heading the ball during training to prevent brain damage. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63767548

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Well,it could have been Rotherham

Or taking up a wage and not being replaced by something better to improve a declining squad.

In the Jan window 2020 it was around £10 million I think.

My marker is whether I think I’d rather retain Cantwell over him. I would and there a few bars lower than that for me

Integrity my a$$. Yeah who Really cares about him , QPR , Rangers or Wolves.

Considering the shenanigans going in another thread, you mean the Brazilian Billy Gilmour, right?

Because I didn't want to spam the post.

What is your point? That Gilmour isn't eligible for play for England? He was before he played a competitive match for Scotland. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-star-billy-gilmour-gives-21642069.amp

England lost on penalties because Verratti and Jorginho (who missed) had better ball retention than Rice and Phillps? Makes perfect sense.

Thank you TBO66! I have not appeared near the top of the list before. And well done @littleyellowbirdie for your inspired BTTS. For @PurpleCanary I guess that Bristol Rovers are, as they say, concentrating on the league!

3-2 to Ghana. This is such a bonkers World Cup Wales will probably beat England 4-0 and send them packing.

Against Wales it's going to be s total scrap. Or possibly total Crap

90 mins . Arsenal 1 brighton 3. Billy Gilmour looks to kick on after Brighton breakthrough vs Arsenal 10th November. Billy Gilmour aiming to kick on after Brighton breakthrough against Arsenal . SCOTLAND midfielder Billy Gilmour insists he is loving life at Brighton despite his lack of game time. After making the move from Chelsea to the Seagulls on transfer deadline day, Gilmour had to wait until Wednesday evening to make his full debut as he shone in the Carabao Cup 3-1 win at Arsenal. Another complication for the 21-year-old at Brighton was the fact that manager Graham Potter left to join Chelsea within a week of Gilmour’s arrival on the south coast. In the Premier League, the former Rangers trainee has been restricted to only 13 minutes of action across four substitute outings under new boss Roberto De Zerbi. However, Gilmour, who is in the national team squad for next week’s friendly in Turkey, is hoping to kick on from his 90-minute appearance against the Gunners. He said: “I am enjoying it, I need to be patient for my opportunity. "I got an opportunity on Wednesday and played okay so I need to build on that, but I’m loving life here so far and hopefully that continues. “Of course you get frustrated sometimes but we’re all together as a team, we’re in it for the full season so we need to stick together and push and see how high we can get up. “I’m enjoying it, we play good football, possession-based but it’s all for a reason - it’s not just to keep the ball. It’s going forward and scoring goals.” Gilmour delivered an assured midfield performance against Arsenal and set up Tariq Lamptey to score the third goal at the Emirates. He added: “We dug in, went a goal down and showed character and personality to get ourselves back into the game and then to go on to win it. “I was happy to assist Tariq with the goal but I thought it was a good game with some good goals.”

Remember him well towering center half with a head of black curly hair £12 a week during the season £10 a week during the summer

You need to catch Dave Gorman on his latest tour. You have a shared obsession with Gregg but Dave's is Inside the Factory.

Well done @sonyc, congratulations!

Nice one Sonyc!

Stats and tables still to come tomorrow, but congratulations to November's PUP of the month @sonyc Sonyc 4 4 100% 1.87 TheBaldOne66 4 4 100% 1.27 Kathy 4 4 100% 0.85 PurpleCanary 4 4 100% 0.66 Til1010 4 4 100% 0.64 Parma 4 4 100% 0.22 Hammond1612 4 4 100% 0.17

While we have a rail transport system that has its belief that shareholders come first, then profit not customers will stop it being a cheap, well used service. Our local bus service has realised that if you halve the fares, you will double the custom. Not the railways, its trains half empty then double the fares. As has been said, return continental flights can be cheaper than a reurn train fare within the UK.

Always gives 100% does Kenny. Underated by many fans but not by the managers. Im happy for him.

I want to get this figure so I can look at it after Norwich games and say to myself. At least I've seen one good ref today!