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  1. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    That is an urban myth @ricardo. Certainly the Bennite left considered the old Common Market a capitalist cartel and later thought the EU rules would prevent "Socialism in one country". Jacques Delors Social Chapter changed all that making the EU much more worker friendly. On top of that Labour have sussed what the other countries have long known - EU laws don't actually stop member countries doining anything they want to. Hence the fact the manifesto has been stressed tested against EU law and there is nothing in law that would prevent its implementaion.
  2. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Those lies won't tell themselves
  3. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Or is it 6, or is it 4 new hospitals......the 40 number is a lie and you repeating it does you no credit. More health workers being trained, after 9 years of Tory leadership the NHS there are 100,000 unfilled vacancies. Perhaps related to Tory investment in the NHS increasing at the lowest level in history, The NHS used to encourage nurses to train, now they charge them £27k for the privilege. Genius work. And the economy, Tory economic mismanagement means the deficit announced today has gone up to the highest level in 5 years. They can't even get that right.
  4. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    If that happens I shall be tagging you in a post @ricardo
  5. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Brexit won't be over anytime soon
  6. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    You post as if there is something wrong with that (is what I meant to post)
  7. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    You post as if there is something wrong with that
  8. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    It was only second reading, with the intention that the Bill could then be amended by the Commons. It was these possible amendments that provoked Johnson into surrendering the 31st October exit and collapsing Parliament.
  9. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    I wasn't really writing about Labour's (or more accurately Corbyn's) view, just options for the electorate. But as you asked the logic is that Labour is a democratic party. It considers the will of the people should be paramount. It also considers the May/Johnson withdrawal deal and future direction as incredibly harmful and not what was put to the electorate at the referendum. So the idea is to moderate this into something that protects the electorate and allows the UK to leave safely, offer this up to the electorate and if they still want to leave we will leave. If we vote to stay we will Remain.
  10. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Who is the biggest idiot on this thread? @SwindonCanary 100%
  11. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Difficult for the Tories to spin these outputs of the YouGov Poll (Don't knows removed) Who do you think came across as more trustworthy? Corbyn 53% Johnson 47% Who do you think came across as more in touch with ordinary people? Corbyn 70% Johnson, 19% Who do you think performed best during the section of the debate on NHS? Corbyn 59% Johnson, 41% Who do you think performed best during the section of the debate on other issues [ie, not Brexit, NHS or spending]? Corbyn 54% Johnson 46%
  12. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Anywhere apart from maybe 3 dozen constituencies (ones they won at their high point in 2005) vote for Swinson and you will get Johnson. If you want to Remain the route in England & Wales (except Brighton) is vote Labour, in Scotland vote SNP>>2nd Ref>> Remain wins that Ref. If you want a hard Brexit vote Johnson If you want Lexit the route is vote Labour>>2nd Ref>>Leave wins that election. Any other vote is wasted in this election
  13. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Rightly or wrongly, Corbyn believes politics is about policies not personalities. When everyone is looking for a better type of politics he should be applauded for that.
  14. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    They are also constrained resources. Pricing moderates people's consumption.
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