Sargents injury

[Pyro Pete 1,925]

Because Wagner likes to play with two strikers, I don't see any other option than to bring someone in.

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,805]

Emmanuel Dennis on loan from Forest

In the words of Capn. Picard....'make it so'....

[Christoph Stiepermann 1,155]

Losing your main striker who's in great form 4 games into a season is an utter catastrophe. I know we're all pretty numb to this now  due to our injury problems in the last few years but ffs this is grim. Imagine if we lost Holt or Pukki for months 4 games into those promotion seasons, we wouldn't have gone up automatically in those seasons. Feels like we can't catch a break right now and every time one of our key players gets tackled I get really nervous. We have a clear first 11 and those players are vital to making our style of play work so any injury is devastating to us but there are 4 players who we can't do without for me (Sara, Rowe, Barnes and Sargent) and to lose one already is such a kick in the teeth. 

 

[Striker 2]

I find tonights update on Sargent of "months not weeks" as quite bizarre.  Why ?  Because on Sunday morning (day after Huddersfield game) we spotted him driving his car in the next village to us.  That's the gospel truth.

There is a strong habit of exagerating the likely period out, to cover for the 'worst case' scenario.  Then it looks good when they come back 'early'.  Time will tell, but my feeling is 'weeks not months'.  You don't drive a car the day after if it's really bad.

Before anyone says "ah but he could have been driving an automatic", do note it is his right foot/ankle that's injured . . . .

 

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Striker

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,865]

37 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

Sold Hugill too quickly, didn't we?

A Barnes-Hugill partnership would've reached levels of ****housery the human race has never previously believed possible, and I for one would love to have seen it come to fruition.

[nutty nigel 7,647]

8 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

A Barnes-Hugill partnership would've reached levels of ****housery the human race has never previously believed possible, and I for one would love to have seen it come to fruition.

I'll have some of that Wacky 

[Greavsy 2,450]

10 minutes ago, Striker said:

I find tonights update on Sargent of "months not weeks" as quite bizarre.  Why ?  Because on Sunday morning (day after Huddersfield game) we spotted him driving his car in the next village to us.  That's the gospel truth.

There is a strong habit of exagerating the likely period out, to cover for the 'worst case' scenario.  Then it looks good when they come back 'early'.  Time will tell, but my feeling is 'weeks not months'.  You don't drive a car the day after if it's really bad.

 

Which foot has he injured? 

I'm sure if his car is auto (very likely being American, and a footballer (as usually have decent motors)) he could drive that if it was his left foot he's hurt.

Maybe

[kick it off 1,956]

8 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Which foot has he injured? 

I'm sure if his car is auto (very likely being American, and a footballer (as usually have decent motors)) he could drive that if it was his left foot he's hurt.

Maybe

Its his right foot.

[Striker 2]

1 minute ago, kick it off said:

Its his right foot.

Correct.  It's his right foot; and that's needed to drive with for sure.

[TheGunnShow 6,023]

23 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

A Barnes-Hugill partnership would've reached levels of ****housery the human race has never previously believed possible, and I for one would love to have seen it come to fruition.

Exactly. All you'd need is a regular supply of crosses, and our full-backs aren't bad at coming up with a fusillade of them. Hugill is a limited ball-player, but you float a ball up in the penalty area for him to attack and his eyes light up.

[Fuzzar 1,705]

39 minutes ago, Striker said:

I find tonights update on Sargent of "months not weeks" as quite bizarre.  Why ?  Because on Sunday morning (day after Huddersfield game) we spotted him driving his car in the next village to us.  That's the gospel truth.

There is a strong habit of exagerating the likely period out, to cover for the 'worst case' scenario.  Then it looks good when they come back 'early'.  Time will tell, but my feeling is 'weeks not months'.  You don't drive a car the day after if it's really bad.

Before anyone says "ah but he could have been driving an automatic", do note it is his right foot/ankle that's injured . . . .

 

 

Was it one of those little blue cars that used to be on the side of the pitch back in the day? 

[sgncfc 1,259]

I am a natural cynic, and I find the vagueness of Wagner's information a little too convenient in terms of the imminent closure of the transfer window. I'm willing to wager he will make a remarkably speedy recovery after the international break.

[Old Shuck 188]

2 minutes ago, sgncfc said:

I am a natural cynic, and I find the vagueness of Wagner's information a little too convenient in terms of the imminent closure of the transfer window. I'm willing to wager he will make a remarkably speedy recovery after the international break.

I bloody hope so.

It would be extreme folly to trundle on now with just the two strikers. Placheta scoring last night is great news but at the same time will serve to suggest he can fill in for Josh. Slotting someone into what is, in this line up, a specialised role, that of a targetman and a role as far removed from Pukki 's as you can get, game plan wise, because they can 'do a job there' should not be the approach of a club actively pursuing a top 6 place.

'The Dog and Duck', maybe. But not Norwich City. Imagine now losing Barnes, not a prolific striker anyway, or Idah for even 6 to 8 games. We've lost centre backs before and ended up slotting round pegs in square holes, lets not do that again. Images of Rob Newman, Daryl Russell and Gary Doherty being shunted up front in the past come to mind so, sadly, we have history in that department.

I was clutching at straws before, now I've grabbed an even bigger armful. Maybe the scan will reveal better news. Wagner has gone off on one before saying we need to see the scan to know how bad the injury us. Here's hoping. But if Josh is out until the New Year or longer, then its no good looking, Dean Ashton style, to bring someone in then. That was too late as well.

[Tetteys Jig 830]

1 hour ago, Striker said:

I find tonights update on Sargent of "months not weeks" as quite bizarre.  Why ?  Because on Sunday morning (day after Huddersfield game) we spotted him driving his car in the next village to us.  That's the gospel truth.

There is a strong habit of exagerating the likely period out, to cover for the 'worst case' scenario.  Then it looks good when they come back 'early'.  Time will tell, but my feeling is 'weeks not months'.  You don't drive a car the day after if it's really bad.

Before anyone says "ah but he could have been driving an automatic", do note it is his right foot/ankle that's injured . . . .

 

 

Depends on surgery. If it’s not needed and can heal naturally no problem then it’s 2 months max. If it’s needed then it’ll be the recovery time of that rather then just the trauma from the initial impact.

Risk of not doing surgery is if it doesn’t heal up properly and he aggravates it again.

[PurpleCanary 5,587]

44 minutes ago, sgncfc said:

I am a natural cynic, and I find the vagueness of Wagner's information a little too convenient in terms of the imminent closure of the transfer window. I'm willing to wager he will make a remarkably speedy recovery after the international break.

I can’t see what the point would be of exaggerating the seriousness of the injury. I don’t think there has been any indication of offers from other clubs, let alone that we were considering selling him. Any vagueness from Wagner tonight appears to be just him waiting to see if surgery is needed, but even if not he seems to be saying months.

Edited August 30, 2023 by PurpleCanary

[hogesar 9,766]

The problem we have is finding a striker who:

- Is available 

- Happy to come and play at Championship level knowing as soon as Sargent is fit he likely loses his place and Idah may also be ahead of him.

- Happy to come to Norwich over other Championship clubs promising more game time (half the division seem to still be desperate for attacking players)

- Offers enough to the team to make it worthwhile,  fits in with the current team ethos etc.

- Is affordable.

 

I think we may struggle.

[PurpleCanary 5,587]

5 minutes ago, hogesar said:

The problem we have is finding a striker who:

- Is available 

- Happy to come and play at Championship level knowing as soon as Sargent is fit he likely loses his place and Idah may also be ahead of him.

- Happy to come to Norwich over other Championship clubs promising more game time (half the division seem to still be desperate for attacking players)

- Offers enough to the team to make it worthwhile,  fits in with the current team ethos etc.

- Is affordable.

 

I think we may struggle.

I agree, but with the possible exception of Pedro Lima we haven’t yet brought in one loan player for the first-team squad. An initial six-month loan deal might just  be feasible, with an assessment in January to see what the situation is with Sargent and our other strikers. At the risk of being labelled an Idah hater I am still not at all convinced he is an adequate replacement for Sargent.

[The Bunny 314]

It's great that Idah has scored a couple of goals lately, but I think he's still got a way to go to show he can perform consistently in that role whilst not getting injured. Not bringing someone in seems like a massive gamble. 

I doubt we could afford someone of Sargent's caliber, but I think we at least need some backup in case more injuries strike. 

[Coneys Knee 996]

This is where this club always falls short. We are notoriously bad for finding adequate replacements for player types when players leave or are indeed long term injured. We should be going all out to bring in (an already identified) high tempo striker with a similar skill set to Sargent. We won’t I’m afraid, we’ll either make do or we’ll end up with a striker of a different skill set who will alter the winning philosophy we’ve started the season with.

[horsefly 4,318]

40 minutes ago, Coneys Knee said:

This is where this club always falls short. We are notoriously bad for finding adequate replacements for player types when players leave or are indeed long term injured. We should be going all out to bring in (an already identified) high tempo striker with a similar skill set to Sargent. We won’t I’m afraid, we’ll either make do or we’ll end up with a striker of a different skill set who will alter the winning philosophy we’ve started the season with.

I think Idah is considered to be that type of player, and fingers are being crossed that he will slip into that role effectively. I really hope Idah grasps his chance as he clearly possesses all the assets to make a top striker in that mould.  However, as yet we have no conclusive proof that those hopes will be realised, so I completely agree we should be looking to bring in another striker to maintain the current momentum. Given the very clear pattern of wing play with which the squad is proving successful, it ought to be possible to identify strikers who would relish playing in that sort of set up. 

[Soldier on 168]

Sky reported yesterday that Keenan Davis (villa) was available for 2 million. Very athletic striker who has always impressed against us.

[AJ 1,232]

8 hours ago, Striker said:

I find tonights update on Sargent of "months not weeks" as quite bizarre.  Why ?  Because on Sunday morning (day after Huddersfield game) we spotted him driving his car in the next village to us.  That's the gospel truth.

There is a strong habit of exagerating the likely period out, to cover for the 'worst case' scenario.  Then it looks good when they come back 'early'.  Time will tell, but my feeling is 'weeks not months'.  You don't drive a car the day after if it's really bad.

Before anyone says "ah but he could have been driving an automatic", do note it is his right foot/ankle that's injured . . . .

 

 

Driving a car and playing football are two very different things. Ankle ligament injuries take at least 2 months to recover from. It's very possible we won't see Sargent on the pitch again until mid November. Yes he might recover quicker but I'd very much doubt it. 

[norfolkngood 1,092]

6 hours ago, hogesar said:

The problem we have is finding a striker who:

- Is available 

- Happy to come and play at Championship level knowing as soon as Sargent is fit he likely loses his place and Idah may also be ahead of him.

- Happy to come to Norwich over other Championship clubs promising more game time (half the division seem to still be desperate for attacking players)

- Offers enough to the team to make it worthwhile,  fits in with the current team ethos etc.

- Is affordable.

 

I think we may struggle.

That is my thought 

but someone might be up to the challenge 

he will not lose his place if he is scoring lots of goals ( or should not ) 

this my be the players chance to play at this level so they might go for it , 

i think anyone we get has to be a goal scorer we have enough players who work hard set up etc like barnes we need a goal scorer 

If they come here they have a chance to make sarges place their own 

one door closes and all that 

easy said I know 

[Fuzzar 1,705]

Given the very particular way we've been playing under Wagner, I'd hope to see a more like for like replacement brought in if possible. 

Idah isn't quite the same player and God knows how we'd manage if he got injured. Gibbs or Placheta there is unlikely to work if Sargent is out for the reported months. 

[BroadstairsR 2,213]

Whilst I'm warming to him, I do not still have full faith in Adam Idah, and he most certainly hasn't got Sargent's all-round game and wit. I think the next few games should finally reveal all. He is full of confidence (or should be) so that excuse can be put to rest but he just 'aint the Sarg. who is the perfect fit for Wagnerball. Another striker is a must, imo, especially as Adam's injury record is suspect. 

Playing around with the likes of Placheta and Gibbs up front. Surely Wagner is bluffing?

It wouldn't surprise me if there is a major signing before tomorrow. Then again it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't.

Edited August 30, 2023 by BroadstairsR

[ged in the onion bag 857]

Idah has never really had a proper opportunity with a run of games and has had a struggle with confidence.    
 

Seems to me he’s contributing well and importantly has been in the right place to get efforts on goal.    He’s not hiding.  Keep supporting him and the anxiety will go, he’ll start finding the net more regularly.

There is a scenario where the Sargent can’t get back in the team.   
If they bring someone else in now ahead of Adam, what would be the point of the 5 yr contract?    This has to be his time.   

[BroadstairsR 2,213]

21 minutes ago, ged in the onion bag said:

Idah has never really had a proper opportunity with a run of games and has had a struggle with confidence.    
 

Seems to me he’s contributing well and importantly has been in the right place to get efforts on goal.    He’s not hiding.  Keep supporting him and the anxiety will go, he’ll start finding the net more regularly.

There is a scenario where the Sargent can’t get back in the team.   
If they bring someone else in now ahead of Adam, what would be the point of the 5 yr contract?    This has to be his time.   

We'll see, but in any case all clubs are now more squad orientated than ever before. Injuries seem more frequent (and protected**) than ever before, the number of substitutes allowed is more than ever before, the added on time has suddenly increased more than ever before.

The game has changed, overnight. Manager think changes accordingly. 

In addition, the Chumps presents a long hard season, as before.

** It is a long time since Ted McDougall refused painkillers to allow him play, but this has still been  commonplace although not nearly as much as Ted's time, and Colney seems particularly cautious.  

Edited August 30, 2023 by BroadstairsR

[Robert N. LiM 4,544]

The obvious solution seems a PL loan. No idea who, mind.

[Capt. Pants 4,297]

Any player should be signed as competition not just a stand in. We needed a 4th striker anyway. Kienan Davis would be a good option.

They'll have months to make an impact and Sarge will have to get himself fit again and force himself back into contention. Harsh on Sarge (and Idah) but that's the nature of football.

Wagner has spent all summer working on a system, we can't just throw it away now and resort to last season set up.

We have the Aarons and Rashica money available, let's use it.

[Feedthewolf 4,894]

Just a thought: with Sainz and Onel also on the way back to increase competition for wide places, is there a case for trying Rowe out in the number 9 position? Guy's as strong as an ox and has scored 5 in 5...