wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted July 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, kirku said: As to the wider point, about whether Origi's international caps increase his current value, I would argue that they do. I imagine that his lack of minutes for Liverpool depresses his value to a far greater extent, as does Liverpool's apparent desire to move him on. However, the number of caps he's got for a top ranked nation point to the high regard he was held in at both club and international level - and that surely counts for something. All true, but the fact remains that he would be more expensive if he was a current international...in that he represented his country in the most recent competition....as in last week . So in conclusion.... Yes, but no, but yes, but No , but.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,561 Posted July 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said: Didn't know whether to give that a thankyou or a ha ha. Settled for a ha ha. No problem, just happy to keep the discussion/pointless argument flowing 🤣🤣🤣 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chicken 2,624 Posted July 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, birchfest said: So you think actually the wider non Norwich supporting public and players of other teams all view us as a big club. Okie dokie then. Not what I said. But you alluded to the comments of Souness and Hartley... Souness, has not managed a team since Newcastle in 2006... It's longer than that since he had any real success as a manager. You also used their views to represent public views. I have lived in various places and know people who are from other areas of the country and world and follow other teams. A lot like us for the way we play football and respect that. As for "big" - meh. We go back to the super league "top six" rubbish which ignores the fact that Leicester are not included despite outperforming Spurs and Arsenal for several seasons and at times Chelsea and Man Utd. A number of big name players have come to us over the years, probably better asking them what the attraction was to them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,332 Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, wcorkcanary said: All true, but the fact remains that he would be more expensive if he was a current international...in that he represented his country in the most recent competition....as in last week . So in conclusion.... Yes, but no, but yes, but No , but.... @Alex Moss initially railed against another poster merely calling Origi an "international" but has now decided to try to qualify that critique with "former" and "current". I agree that the recency of international caps is likely to further increase value, but to say his 29 caps for Belgium have no impact whatsoever doesn't seem likely to me. But, at the end of the day, valuations for anything, be they houses, businesses, or footballers are all subjective and simply come down to "whatever someone, who you can identify, is willing to pay at the moment you are willing to sell". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grantham yellow 20 Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) Crikey can we get this thread back on track and make a new one for the Origi debate. Edited July 5, 2021 by Grantham yellow 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor Hockey's Beard 527 Posted July 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Grantham yellow said: Crikey can we get this thread back on track and make a new one for the Origi debate. Can we get back to the important stuff - will there be more or fewer scampi in a portion, now we're back in the Prem? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,407 Posted July 5, 2021 What's this about from Max's Instagram? A bit odd. Does this add to Norfolkngood's assertion that one of our young'uns is off? Why would you post something of you training with someone obviously not a Norwich coach? Anybody provide any reassurance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Greenthumb 749 Posted July 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, shefcanary said: What's this about from Max's Instagram? A bit odd. Does this add to Norfolkngood's assertion that one of our young'uns is off? Why would you post something of you training with someone obviously not a Norwich coach? Anybody provide any reassurance? They’d only be in for fitness testing today, there won’t be any footballs being kicked. Probably doing this after Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,560 Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, shefcanary said: What's this about from Max's Instagram? A bit odd. Does this add to Norfolkngood's assertion that one of our young'uns is off? Why would you post something of you training with someone obviously not a Norwich coach? Anybody provide any reassurance? Yes, I can reassure you that you are suffering from that well-known seasonal illness - Summertransferwindowparanoiaitis.🤓 Edited July 5, 2021 by PurpleCanary 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,332 Posted July 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, shefcanary said: What's this about from Max's Instagram? A bit odd. Does this add to Norfolkngood's assertion that one of our young'uns is off? Why would you post something of you training with someone obviously not a Norwich coach? Anybody provide any reassurance? Footballers post about their sessions with personal coaches all the time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norfolk Dan 308 Posted July 5, 2021 33 minutes ago, Trevor Hockey's Beard said: Can we get back to the important stuff - will there be more or fewer scampi in a portion, now we're back in the Prem? Very good point... I would also quite like to advocate a higher quality of tartar sauce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted July 5, 2021 1 hour ago, shefcanary said: What's this about from Max's Instagram? A bit odd. Does this add to Norfolkngood's assertion that one of our young'uns is off? Why would you post something of you training with someone obviously not a Norwich coach? Anybody provide any reassurance? The coach in the photo posted the same stuff a couple of days ago. This was not taken today. There is no way that Norwich and any other club could keep it under wraps if the club had actually sold Aarons already. The agent would be telling everyone he could as a bit of promotion. Why would the buying club not announce it? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted July 5, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: The coach in the photo posted the same stuff a couple of days ago. This was not taken today. There is no way that Norwich and any other club could keep it under wraps if the club had actually sold Aarons already. The agent would be telling everyone he could as a bit of promotion. Why would the buying club not announce it? Yep does sound a bit strange, but if Norfolkngood has said the sale of one of the youngsters has already been agreed with another club then I would not doubt him. The reasons why it’s not all done and dusted publicly I have no idea, I’m sure there could be all sorts of reasons, but Norfolkngood over the years certainly has a very good track record indeed as someone on here ‘ITK’. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cornish sam 953 Posted July 6, 2021 11 hours ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: The coach in the photo posted the same stuff a couple of days ago. This was not taken today. There is no way that Norwich and any other club could keep it under wraps if the club had actually sold Aarons already. The agent would be telling everyone he could as a bit of promotion. Why would the buying club not announce it? Also, is that not the coach(es?) That he was training with when he left Luton and didn't have a club? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted July 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, cornish sam said: Also, is that not the coach(es?) That he was training with when he left Luton and didn't have a club? Not sure, but not unusual at all for players to hire such coaches in their summer downtime to keep them in peak shape. Kieron Dowell in fact posted similar the other day. Don’t think anything can be read into this picture other than that Max is simply keeping himself in shape. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,407 Posted July 6, 2021 Maybe Max is just being a "swot" and trying to impress Farke with some additional work. 🙂 Were there no spies at the gates of Colney yesterday to check who did return from their hols though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,560 Posted July 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, shefcanary said: Maybe Max is just being a "swot" and trying to impress Farke with some additional work. 🙂 Were there no spies at the gates of Colney yesterday to check who did return from their hols though? Yes. Irrational rhetorical-question anger is one of the classic symptoms of Summertransferwindowparanoiaitis. This looks like a bad case, shef, and you may need to see a specialist... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, shefcanary said: Maybe Max is just being a "swot" and trying to impress Farke with some additional work. 🙂 Were there no spies at the gates of Colney yesterday to check who did return from their hols though? No, but there was a fella sat in the trees, on a blue bucket, looking through binoculars ,muttering to himself ....in Spanish. ...." I thought they were skint, god they look good, but we are Champions, Champions of Europe....or so ive been told, a few million times". Edited July 6, 2021 by wcorkcanary 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted July 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, shefcanary said: Maybe Max is just being a "swot" and trying to impress Farke with some additional work. 🙂 Were there no spies at the gates of Colney yesterday to check who did return from their hols though? Was trying to have a butchers at the entrance yesterday, Shef, but couldn’t get us any exclusives because some absolute bloody idiot in a blacked out Range Rover number plate ME55 1 was obscuring my damn view 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crab man 164 Posted July 6, 2021 Drmic gone back to Rijeka on a season long loan. Shame we couldn't get some £ for him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birchfest 397 Posted July 6, 2021 blimey… this would be good! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chicken 2,624 Posted July 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, crab man said: Drmic gone back to Rijeka on a season long loan. Shame we couldn't get some £ for him I suspect we got a loan fee along with some of his wages being paid at least. I think Webber confirmed that the players out of the picture last season do not earn promotion bonuses or PL contracts for our promotion either. So in many ways probably does make us some money - just not in the way a transfer fee would. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted July 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, birchfest said: blimey… this would be good! This seems to have come about from the PinkUn opinion piece which was about players at the Euros that Norwich could look at. A Swiss website picked it up saying 'English media says Norwich are interested in Zuber' and now this guy has picked that up and said Webber is in talks with Frankfurt. It is a good demonstration how rumours are born out of very little and everyone likes to escalate it a bit to make it more 'clickable'. Are Norwich really going to be interested in another left back when Giannoulis has just been confirmed for £6m? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,561 Posted July 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: This seems to have come about from the PinkUn opinion piece which was about players at the Euros that Norwich could look at. A Swiss website picked it up saying 'English media says Norwich are interested in Zuber' and now this guy has picked that up and said Webber is in talks with Frankfurt. It is a good demonstration how rumours are born out of very little and everyone likes to escalate it a bit to make it more 'clickable'. Are Norwich really going to be interested in another left back when Giannoulis has just been confirmed for £6m? Isn’t he a left winger, not a left back? I thought that’s where he’s been playing in the Euros. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OTBC06 43 Posted July 6, 2021 On 05/07/2021 at 12:44, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: Nmecha is great, but he Norwich haven't got £7m to spend on a back-up. That puts aside the who debate about whether Nmecha would want to be a back-up at Norwich right now. Why are we looking at a backup to Pukki? why cant we spend £7m on Nmecha or £13m on Origi as a replacement to Pukki and have Pukki as back up? If the new player doesn't perform, we have Pukki to bring in. I know wages is an issue against Origi for example, but it doesn't mean there isnt another player out there, somewhere who can come in as our number 1. Isn't there a Swiss fella in Crotia thats supposed to be good? 🤔😆 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,164 Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) Is there actually such a thing as back up nowadays? For sure, there will alwys be the preferred starting eleven and Pukki has earned his place in that. But, game situations change by the minute and the bench therefore becomes as important as the starters. We need a top class striker for those situations. If the club decides that Idah and Hugill fill that gap, then fair enough. I remain unconvinced, but Idah remains the mystery, whilst Hugill does what it says on the tin. Edited July 6, 2021 by BroadstairsR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,359 Posted July 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, OTBC06 said: Why are we looking at a backup to Pukki? why cant we spend £7m on Nmecha or £13m on Origi as a replacement to Pukki and have Pukki as back up? If the new player doesn't perform, we have Pukki to bring in. I know wages is an issue against Origi for example, but it doesn't mean there isnt another player out there, somewhere who can come in as our number 1. Fair point. For all the comments that Buendia didn’t have a great goal return in the Prem, neither did Pukki compared to his minutes played. And now his chief assist machine has departed, there’s every chance that Pukki won’t be able to deliver the goods this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,141 Posted July 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Canary Wundaboy said: Fair point. For all the comments that Buendia didn’t have a great goal return in the Prem, neither did Pukki compared to his minutes played. And now his chief assist machine has departed, there’s every chance that Pukki won’t be able to deliver the goods this season. There’s *a* chance he won’t be able to deliver the goods this season. You could just as easily argue that once he’s rested over the summer, and not suffering from injury, he will be back to the scoring form we saw at the beginning g of the last PL season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chicken 2,624 Posted July 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, Canary Wundaboy said: Fair point. For all the comments that Buendia didn’t have a great goal return in the Prem, neither did Pukki compared to his minutes played. And now his chief assist machine has departed, there’s every chance that Pukki won’t be able to deliver the goods this season. He scored fairly often until he broke his toe... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,820 Posted July 6, 2021 29 minutes ago, OTBC06 said: Isn't there a Swiss fella in Crotia thats supposed to be good? 🤔😆 Not that I know of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites