Duffy

[Wimbledoncanary 37]

https://pinkun.com/sport/norwich-city/24351868.norwich-city-john-oshea-shane-duffy-drink-driving-case/
 

I was genuinely upset at the fact he was selected for both ties of the Leeds play-offs . I have lost a family member to drink driving and thought this was the wrong signal to be sending out . Yes he didn't kill anyone but he was caught 3 times over the legal limit a couple of days before our biggest game of the season and there seemed to be no visible repercussions from the club. The fact now he has been selected for International duty actually wants to make me vomit . Regardless of personal circumstances of why he was drinking he is supposed to be senior member of our squad and international team and this totally sends out the wrong signals. Will there be any repercussions? It doesn't seem  so and what a poor message this sends out . 

[Rupethebear 29]

He’s a different kind to most, my lad was at Brighton Uni and spotted him in a couple of clubs well after dark, he was also spotted at Winterwonderland wihich was well publicised in the national media. As for the drink driving story, very stupid and irresponsible and you’ve got to ask if his head was in the right place for such a huge game.

He’s his own man, up to him what he does with his life but in my opinion he shouldn’t have played against Leeds.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,615]

Football has never had an issue with drink drivers, has it?

Tony Adams went to prison for it and nobody batted an eyelid, whilst Marcos Alonso, currently of Barcelona and formerly of Chelsea, killed someone in a drink-driving crash but nobody within the game ever seemed to care.

[canarybubbles 2,199]

It's easy to sound prudish or pompous about this, but since one of the reasons he and a few others were brought in was to be a good model for our youngsters, I think he's clearly not doing that and I hope he's no longer at the club in the new season.

I'm not just talking about the drink driving. I'm talking about the message that he is sending to younger players that it's perfectly OK to go out and get sloshed a couple of days before the most important game of the season for your club. Is that really what we want to teach them?

I suspect he will be here next season, though. Getting rid will cost, and ultimately money talks much more than caring about any examples being set.

Edited May 30 by canarybubbles

[Rupethebear 29]

4 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

Football has never had an issue with drink drivers, has it?

Tony Adams went to prison for it and nobody batted an eyelid, whilst Marcos Alonso, currently of Barcelona and formerly of Chelsea, killed someone in a drink-driving crash but nobody within the game ever seemed to care.

Society has changed, in my role no licence meant no job.

[chicken 3,083]

24 minutes ago, Rupethebear said:

He’s a different kind to most, my lad was at Brighton Uni and spotted him in a couple of clubs well after dark, he was also spotted at Winterwonderland wihich was well publicised in the national media. As for the drink driving story, very stupid and irresponsible and you’ve got to ask if his head was in the right place for such a huge game.

He’s his own man, up to him what he does with his life but in my opinion he shouldn’t have played against Leeds.

I'm not sure 'footballer in nightclub' is the shocker you think it is. This is not to diminish the actual crime here but more that there have been and are more footballers who do the same, they are just more responsible about transport home.

After all, we know 'that' incident with John Ruddy.

[Canary Jedi 610]

Footballers going to night clubs is one thing, but with their wages a taxi or even a private chauffeur should not be an issue.

I wonder if the club will wait for the outcome of the charge to terminate his contract for bringing the club into disripute. 

[Nuff Said 5,960]

3 minutes ago, Canary Jedi said:

I wonder if the club will wait for the outcome of the charge to terminate his contract for bringing the club into disripute. 

That seems likely to me. He very much doesn’t fit into the model of our (apparent) new head coach. 
 

Although if Flynn Clarke is still with the club (?) it might be harder to argue it would be consistent.

[CardiffCanary 163]

Flynn Clarke has gone 

[DraytonBoy 249]

As I understand things, Duffy and his wife split a few days before and he just lost it having been given a few days off.

[Branston Pickle 4,149]

8 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

That seems likely to me. He very much doesn’t fit into the model of our (apparent) new head coach. 
 

Although if Flynn Clarke is still with the club (?) it might be harder to argue it would be consistent.

Clarke was in the list of released players, I think.

Re: Duffy, he’s entitled to a life outside football and what happens in it is totally down to him, not the club - and he has not brought the club into disrepute.  What he did was clearly wrong and - thankfully - it is up to the law to decide what happens, not supporters on a forum. 

Edited May 30 by Branston Pickle

[priceyrice 133]

Wasn't he at Newmarket races the day this happened? Not sure personal circumstances come into play here. I can't condone drink driving in any situation anyway, if this has gone another way be could have killed somebody. Shocked that both club and country have backed him to be honest. 

[Commonsense 802]

56 minutes ago, canarybubbles said:

It's easy to sound prudish or pompous about this, but since one of the reasons he and a few others were brought in was to be a good model for our youngsters, I think he's clearly not doing that and I hope he's no longer at the club in the new season.

I'm not just talking about the drink driving. I'm talking about the message that he is sending to younger players that it's perfectly OK to go out and get sloshed a couple of days before the most important game of the season for your club. Is that really what we want to teach them?

I suspect he will be here next season, though. Getting rid will cost, and ultimately money talks much more than caring about any examples being set.

Is this true? I thought that we brought in the older players to harden up the squad. No offence intended but if they were brought in as role models ( which I’m pretty sure they weren’t) I’m not sure that you would choose people like Duffy or Barnes.

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

48 minutes ago, canarybubbles said:

It's easy to sound prudish or pompous about this, but since one of the reasons he and a few others were brought in was to be a good model for our youngsters, I think he's clearly not doing that and I hope he's no longer at the club in the new season.

I'm not just talking about the drink driving. I'm talking about the message that he is sending to younger players that it's perfectly OK to go out and get sloshed a couple of days before the most important game of the season for your club. Is that really what we want to teach them?

I suspect he will be here next season, though. Getting rid will cost, and ultimately money talks much more than caring about any examples being set.

It's not being prudish and pompous though. It totally undermines everything else the club is doing. What's the point of spending millions on training facilities and the academy only to allow a pisshead to play in our most important match of the season?

Most young players won't have any respect for Duffy now and they're probably more geared up on fitness and nutrition than he is. The problem is if he is a blockage for young player development.

What on earth must the other players have thought of him ahead of those 2 matches. Hardly great for squad unity ahead of vital games.

Wagner shouldn't have picked him and who knows Knapper probably didn't think so either.

[nu_matik 184]

My take is that its a very very serious matter. I agree its sending our a very negative message about how the club feels about the behaviour of our players and the seriousness of drink driving.

It could have indeed been much worse.

I absolutely agree with those that have suggested he shouldn't have been anywhere near the playing squad for those games. Whilst you could argue perhaps he felt he is a strong enough character to keep his head in the game, you also have to look closely at what the club are trying to project in terms of their message on mental health - the excellent video we have been praised for on a global level. Duffy had just separated from his wife. I know first hand how draining and painful that can be. He was also being panned nationally. Surely we need to protecting and supporting the wellbeing of a man under that pressure. We should also be protecting those who support or view our club if they have been affected by the perils of drink driving.

That said, while the above is the immediate failures of our club, I do not feel I would be true to my belief and profession if we simply binned him off for one incident. Recovery and wellbeing support doesn't mean punishment and punishment only. He's a human and we should all be looking after one another. Ifnits felt that he or any other dedicated player needs help and wants to be part of the club and can work on themselves to be better then I truly believe we should support that.

I've battled addiction and poor mental health, and displayed many negative behaviours that relate. I never got anywhere when I was thrown on the scrapheap and shut out. People deserve chances and if they can embrace them, those chances can make the whole world a better place.

[jaberry2 769]

26 minutes ago, DraytonBoy said:

As I understand things, Duffy and his wife split a few days before and he just lost it having been given a few days off.

Well he was caught cheating on his wife recently. TBH lets face it, the guys just a bit of a moron, like many footballers however I suspect he is higher up the scale than most. Like others have said it probably just costs us too much money to get rid of him rather then show him the exit door.

[Nuff Said 5,960]

7 minutes ago, nu_matik said:

My take is that its a very very serious matter. I agree its sending our a very negative message about how the club feels about the behaviour of our players and the seriousness of drink driving.

It could have indeed been much worse.

I absolutely agree with those that have suggested he shouldn't have been anywhere near the playing squad for those games. Whilst you could argue perhaps he felt he is a strong enough character to keep his head in the game, you also have to look closely at what the club are trying to project in terms of their message on mental health - the excellent video we have been praised for on a global level. Duffy had just separated from his wife. I know first hand how draining and painful that can be. He was also being panned nationally. Surely we need to protecting and supporting the wellbeing of a man under that pressure. We should also be protecting those who support or view our club if they have been affected by the perils of drink driving.

That said, while the above is the immediate failures of our club, I do not feel I would be true to my belief and profession if we simply binned him off for one incident. Recovery and wellbeing support doesn't mean punishment and punishment only. He's a human and we should all be looking after one another. Ifnits felt that he or any other dedicated player needs help and wants to be part of the club and can work on themselves to be better then I truly believe we should support that.

I've battled addiction and poor mental health, and displayed many negative behaviours that relate. I never got anywhere when I was thrown on the scrapheap and shut out. People deserve chances and if they can embrace them, those chances can make the whole world a better place.

Great post. It’s a cliche but I'm all for the idea that we should try to understand a little more and condemn a little less.

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

You can only understand more if you know more.

As far as I'm aware Duffy hasn't uttered a word of apology to the club or its fans.

I've heard rumours about the said event and if true I really don't want him at our club, let alone in the team.

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,424]

6 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

You can only understand more if you know more.

As far as I'm aware Duffy hasn't uttered a word of apology to the club or its fans.

I've heard rumours about the said event and if true I really don't want him at our club, let alone in the team.

As he hasn't been to court yet, he or the club will not be able to speak about it publicly. 

[hogesar 10,762]

Wayne Rooney, Yaya Toure, Robrto Firminho, Tony Adams, Darron Gibson, Jermaine Pennant - all done for Drink Driving with very little footballing repercussions. 

Just for those who seem to suggest this is some unique case attributable to our football club only.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,615]

2 hours ago, Rupethebear said:

Society has changed, in my role no licence meant no job.

It doesn't look like football has though.

[City Stand Ultra 43]

1 hour ago, Branston Pickle said:

Clarke was in the list of released players, I think.

Re: Duffy, he’s entitled to a life outside football and what happens in it is totally down to him, not the club - and he has not brought the club into disrepute.  What he did was clearly wrong and - thankfully - it is up to the law to decide what happens, not supporters on a forum. 

Any business worth its salt would be scouring the T&C's of his contract to see whether they could terminate a costly carthorse like this under any of the provisions of that contract.  Let's hope they find the right clause and get rid of him if found guilty.

It's not much of a gamble as assuming he would find another club (albeit on lower wages) we would likely only be liable for the difference between the current and new contracts and that's only if we lost any action from Duffy.

[Danke bitte 1,154]

1 hour ago, nu_matik said:

My take is that its a very very serious matter. I agree its sending our a very negative message about how the club feels about the behaviour of our players and the seriousness of drink driving.

It could have indeed been much worse.

I absolutely agree with those that have suggested he shouldn't have been anywhere near the playing squad for those games. Whilst you could argue perhaps he felt he is a strong enough character to keep his head in the game, you also have to look closely at what the club are trying to project in terms of their message on mental health - the excellent video we have been praised for on a global level. Duffy had just separated from his wife. I know first hand how draining and painful that can be. He was also being panned nationally. Surely we need to protecting and supporting the wellbeing of a man under that pressure. We should also be protecting those who support or view our club if they have been affected by the perils of drink driving.

That said, while the above is the immediate failures of our club, I do not feel I would be true to my belief and profession if we simply binned him off for one incident. Recovery and wellbeing support doesn't mean punishment and punishment only. He's a human and we should all be looking after one another. Ifnits felt that he or any other dedicated player needs help and wants to be part of the club and can work on themselves to be better then I truly believe we should support that.

I've battled addiction and poor mental health, and displayed many negative behaviours that relate. I never got anywhere when I was thrown on the scrapheap and shut out. People deserve chances and if they can embrace them, those chances can make the whole world a better place.

Top post. Certainly made me rethink my stance regarding this incident.

[CDMullins 498]

2 hours ago, Branston Pickle said:

Clarke was in the list of released players, I think.

Re: Duffy, he’s entitled to a life outside football and what happens in it is totally down to him, not the club - and he has not brought the club into disrepute.  What he did was clearly wrong and - thankfully - it is up to the law to decide what happens, not supporters on a forum. 

Hasn't he?

Its not Shane Duffy caught drink driving,

Its Norwich Centre half caught drink driving.

Headlines

Norwich star charged with drink driving after crash four days before Championship playoffs

Norwich City Footballer charged with drink-driving after crash

Norwich defender Shane Duffy arrested and charged with drink-driving after two-vehicle smash

[Branston Pickle 4,149]

20 minutes ago, CDMullins said:

Hasn't he?

Its not Shane Duffy caught drink driving,

Its Norwich Centre half caught drink driving.

Headlines

Norwich star charged with drink driving after crash four days before Championship playoffs

Norwich City Footballer charged with drink-driving after crash

Norwich defender Shane Duffy arrested and charged with drink-driving after two-vehicle smash

 I have seen/heard no mention of it outside the message board and a couple of newspaper articles.

If you are so determined, answer this: In what way has it ‘brought the club into disrepute’ any more than the players not showing up for their most important match of the season ?

The point is that no one is associating Duffy fecking up with the club in a wider context, other than that it’s where he plays.  It is not as though it is part of a culture/the club’s fault in some way.  It’s seen as being down to him only, and he will pay the penalty.

Edited May 30 by Branston Pickle

[lake district canary 4,830]

If anyone who has castigated Duffy can say they've never done something stupid, then I don't believe them. That said, he plainly needs to look at himself and learn from the experience.

Life has shown me that drinking alcohol is not helpful to me in any way or form. I love real ale, good red wine, single malt whisky, etc and the warming  effect a couple of drinks can have, but it is only since I stopped drinking altogether that I have got fitter, feel more alert the morning after. So to me, training for sport means no alcohol and I can't understand why any professional sportsman would even think about having a drink. It's wrong imo that it is tolerated at all. 

If you win something, then celebrate, but until then, keep off the drink. 

 

 

[canarybubbles 2,199]

The only good thing I can see about playing him at Elland Road is that he was part of the abject performance of the whole team. If we'd benched him and then lost the way he did, some people might have argued that we need him and dropping him was part of the reason we failed so badly.

We don't need him. He's a second-rate footballer in decline who can't do much more than head the ball and is a liability in a team that plays out from the back. I agree that the Dad's Army were not brought in to provide moral guidance to our youngsters, but to mentally toughen what seemed a rather flaky squad. The way to do this is not to be a lout, but to lead by example, by being professional. 

Duffy has not been professional; he comes across as a loudmouth who thinks that because he once played in the PL, the need to behave professionally doesn't apply to him. Get rid. He won't be any great loss on the pitch.

[Matt Juler 208]

If the club are to take action and look to terminate his contract, it would be after a guilty verdict, something that hasn't yet occurred.

[Fen Canary 1,456]

Him losing his license doesn’t affect him doing his day job, provided he’s still able to get himself to training on time.

He broke the law, and will be punished by the courts accordingly. Unless he’d broken a club rule by being out drinking when he was then there’s no reason for the club to take any action against him 

[Google Bot 3,928]

12 minutes ago, canarybubbles said:

Duffy has not been professional; he comes across as a loudmouth who thinks that because he once played in the PL, the need to behave professionally doesn't apply to him. Get rid.

Yes, we don't want people here who have their demons!  F*** mental health, make him unemployed now before his hearing!  Hopefully that sends out a better message to the kids too.

And yes, i'm being sarcastic.

Edited May 30 by Google Bot