Do the boo boys believe they are helping our club?

[Feedthewolf 4,846]

48 minutes ago, nu_matik said:

It was many adults around me who didn't even watch the full game, from my direct observation actually 

You missed first-half stoppage time because you went for a pint, you big hypocrite 😉

But yeah, plenty of casual 'fans' around us who were more interesting in farting about on their mobiles or talking non-football-related bobbins.

[Jim Smith 2,322]

4 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

My whole point is that it's not a binary thing, so making it so with the 80/20 comment was very daft. If anything, I'd say that probably around 80% of fans are smart enough to be able to see both sides of the coin, and criticise for some things while praising for others. You'll always have a small percentage of full-on happy clappers and full-on nappy crappers, but most fans are somewhere in the middle third of the dichotomy, I'd imagine.

And yes, I doubt that 20% of our fans actively want Wagner to remain as manager. As I've said elsewhere, I would tolerate him staying here until the end of the season as long as Knapper outlines a clear vision for the future and as long as results don't fall off a cliff. But if he does see out the season, the new head coach will then need to be an impressive signing and we'll need a very strong summer transfer window to assuage the fans.

My hunch is that, unless we see impressive performances and results in our next three league matches (which looks very unlikely on current form), Knapper will cut him loose before the season ticket prices/renewals are announced. With the cost-of-living crisis and the first time in donkey's years that we've had two stagnant mid-table seasons back-to-back, I think the club are concerned that they might lose a lot more renewals than usual.

Even giving him three more matches is ridiculous waste of three games but you are probably right as it is the sort of idiotic thinking our board seem to specialise in. 
 

The damage will already have been done in terms of renewals. 

 

[Feedthewolf 4,846]

1 minute ago, Jim Smith said:

Even giving him three more matches is ridiculous waste of three games but you are probably right as it is the sort of idiotic thinking our board seem to specialise in. 
 

The damage will already have been done in terms of renewals. 

Disagree. A new manager bounce, a couple of new signings (even if only young-and-hungry Prem loans) and a couple of the old gimmers we've signed out the door, and the mood could change very quickly. We live in hope...

[Unthink road 132]

1 minute ago, Capt. Pants said:

I think those words will haunt her until she leaves, possibly longer. It's split the fanbase and it gets worse by the week.

On here the 80& ers think they are good little soldiers, better than the 20%, better supporters. Their smugness is looking a bit silly now as Wagner continues to dig himself into a hole. After those remarks Smith badly needed Wagner to come good, to marginalise the 20% ers even more, unfortunately it hasn't happened, it wasn't ever going to happen, because he isn't very good.

Inside the ground you can feel the '20% ers' getting agitated, they boo, they moan. The '80% ers' well they just sit there, do nothing, say nothing. It's a mess really.

Sad thing is, we're all Norwich supporters. Everyone has their own way of following the club. We all want to the team to be successful. I really think it's time for the board to have a closer look at supporter engagement. 

[Unthink road 132]

10 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

You missed first-half stoppage time because you went for a pint, you big hypocrite 😉

But yeah, plenty of casual 'fans' around us who were more interesting in farting about on their mobiles or talking non-football-related bobbins.

Football needs to be more exciting then. Hope we can get these casuals hooked on this club. 

[Feedthewolf 4,846]

1 minute ago, Unthink road said:

Football needs to be more exciting then. Hope we can get these casuals hooked on this club. 

Can't disagree with that!

[Ken Hairy 3,773]

1 hour ago, Cityfc2 said:

Oh happy clapper strikes again. If you pays ya money you expect something decent for it, not the dross and crap that is being put forward at present. Everyone has a voice and it's their choice how they use it,it's not being unrealistic to actually be playing better and be higher than we are,to me that is just being realistic. 

As for turd your comments certainly are

Don't worry about Elephant boy here, they only post once every 4 months with the sole agenda of slagging off fans. Genuine thought they were Webber to be honest 

Edited January 6 by Ken Hairy

[Capt. Pants 4,250]

10 minutes ago, Unthink road said:

Sad thing is, we're all Norwich supporters. Everyone has their own way of following the club. We all want to the team to be successful. I really think it's time for the board to have a closer look at supporter engagement. 

Cats out the bag now. It will take time, so it's about time we started.

3% increase on season ticket prices will help 😉

[Sheva 123]

Sitting on your hands quietly isn’t going to help, the under achieving players, management and board, they need a ****ing rollicking or this slow demise of the club will continue. Actually it’s not slow is it?

It comes from the top and the top doesn’t work, so that needs to change asap.

 Hopefully this gets resolved in a dignified way and the club can start to move forward again.

 

[S_81 803]

3 hours ago, Rhino1 said:

I cannot believe the utter turd coming from an increasing number of Norwich fans. Their ignorance of where the reality is for Norwich, is myopic to say the least! Limited funds, limited quality and a fan base with immature short term unrealistic expectations! The constant knocking of the manager does not help anyone, and just adds unnecessary pressure on the team and club, as a result of non realistic expectations ! Constant change because we don’t deliver for a few games will push us further in the mire rather than reaching for the stars!! The grass isn’t greener!!! Grow up band of boo boys! 

Worst post of the year so far winner. 

[JonnyJonnyRowe 446]

3 hours ago, Rhino1 said:

I cannot believe the utter turd coming from an increasing number of Norwich fans. Their ignorance of where the reality is for Norwich, is myopic to say the least! Limited funds, limited quality and a fan base with immature short term unrealistic expectations! The constant knocking of the manager does not help anyone, and just adds unnecessary pressure on the team and club, as a result of non realistic expectations ! Constant change because we don’t deliver for a few games will push us further in the mire rather than reaching for the stars!! The grass isn’t greener!!! Grow up band of boo boys! 

I think we saw tonight that we have quite a few players that now wouldn't look out of place playing for a mid-table League One side, and that has to be the responsibility of somebody.

I would say that the board are at the very least culpable of not making Webber pay with his job at the end of the 2021/22 season when it became very clear that he'd spent a lot of money, the Buendia proceeds, on expensive players of insufficient quality, players that we'd be taking a heavy loss on or stuck with.

Allowing him the opportunity to lead further transfer windows has worsened the situation. My frustration is at the board really, its a shame that the atmosphere has to get toxic in order to prompt the board into action, and I don't think Wagner has got a great group to work with even when considering his negative outlook and clear tactical limitations, but frustration at our slide into mid-table mediocrity is justified and should be directed at the decision makers.

Our squad right now looks much closer to being one which could struggle to stay in this division than one which could put up a credible challenge for a top 6 place. We're probably two player sales away from that.

[JamieNorfolk 62]

3 hours ago, Rhino1 said:

I cannot believe the utter turd coming from an increasing number of Norwich fans. Their ignorance of where the reality is for Norwich, is myopic to say the least! Limited funds, limited quality and a fan base with immature short term unrealistic expectations! The constant knocking of the manager does not help anyone, and just adds unnecessary pressure on the team and club, as a result of non realistic expectations ! Constant change because we don’t deliver for a few games will push us further in the mire rather than reaching for the stars!! The grass isn’t greener!!! Grow up band of boo boys! 

There's no way you were at the game. 

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,024]

The OP has got to be a wind up merchant.

Wagner has got to go, today just confirmed it, a very poor performance,.

I get we made changes for the cup game but far from being a coach that encourages teams to play on the front foot he has turned us into a squad that attacks at a snails pace.

There was nothing for the fans to cheer today and I do not see the problem at letting Wagner know how rubbish his football is............

[Bigbrenn 59]

3 minutes ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

The OP has got to be a wind up merchant.

Wagner has got to go, today just confirmed it, a very poor performance,.

I get we made changes for the cup game but far from being a coach that encourages teams to play on the front foot he has turned us into a squad that attacks at a snails pace.

There was nothing for the fans to cheer today and I do not see the problem at letting Wagner know how rubbish his football is............

Agree with the last paragraph. Not just this season but Wagner's influence on the team for the last year! A whole year!

[nu_matik 167]

10 hours ago, Feedthewolf said:

You missed first-half stoppage time because you went for a pint, you big hypocrite 😉

But yeah, plenty of casual 'fans' around us who were more interesting in farting about on their mobiles or talking non-football-related bobbins.

Sorry for going a whole minute early! Absolute plastic 

My main point though, was that the booing, at the end.. for which I stayed, was majority adults. Blaming kids seems a but unfair and inaccurate. 

[TheBaldOne66 690]

14 hours ago, Rhino1 said:

I cannot believe the utter turd coming from an increasing number of Norwich fans. Their ignorance of where the reality is for Norwich, is myopic to say the least! Limited funds, limited quality and a fan base with immature short term unrealistic expectations! The constant knocking of the manager does not help anyone, and just adds unnecessary pressure on the team and club, as a result of non realistic expectations ! Constant change because we don’t deliver for a few games will push us further in the mire rather than reaching for the stars!! The grass isn’t greener!!! Grow up band of boo boys! 

Just keep clapping and fawning to our great leaders! Ffs! You are exactly what is wrong with the club currently, pretending all is great in the Carrow Road garden. 

[City Stand Ultra 41]

17 hours ago, Feedthewolf said:

I think that's a bit childish. What do you want him to do, squint his eyes and stroke his chin like an evil genius?

I do think we need to hear from him though, and soon, about what his plans are and why he is persisting with Wagner when the football and results are so bang average.

Responded on the Knapper thread

 

Edited January 7 by City Stand Ultra

[hogesar 9,680]

Our fans seem to be in this weird limbo where they're supporting poorly enough to negatively impact the team whilst simulatenously not being vocal enough to put pressure on getting rid of Wagner. It's all very weird.

[......and Smith must score. 1,345]

34 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Our fans seem to be in this weird limbo where they're supporting poorly enough to negatively impact the team whilst simulatenously not being vocal enough to put pressure on getting rid of Wagner. It's all very weird.

Being asleep at the game must be ultimate fence sitting ( wink )

[BigGrantsTash 70]

19 hours ago, Rhino1 said:

I cannot believe the utter turd coming from an increasing number of Norwich fans. Their ignorance of where the reality is for Norwich, is myopic to say the least! Limited funds, limited quality and a fan base with immature short term unrealistic expectations! The constant knocking of the manager does not help anyone, and just adds unnecessary pressure on the team and club, as a result of non realistic expectations ! Constant change because we don’t deliver for a few games will push us further in the mire rather than reaching for the stars!! The grass isn’t greener!!! Grow up band of boo boys! 

I love these sort of messages. You posters spend months calling people clueless for not seeing how the manager is going to turn it around. Then when it doesn’t happen it’s all the fans fault! 🤣 it’s like the thought of you being wrong is too much to take! You didn’t used to work for the Post Office did you?

[BigGrantsTash 70]

19 hours ago, Feedthewolf said:

I did think it was a bit strange starting the 'Wagner out' chants towards the end of the 90 minutes and in stoppage time. Surely you'd be better off putting your energy into whipping up some atmosphere to try and roar the players to victory, and then chant as much as you like at the final whistle?

If we were 2-0 down then I could totally understand it, but sometimes our fans do tend to have the mentality of 'disaster tourists' who are just waiting for an error to pounce on so they can let rip. I totally get the duality of the situation, though, and there isn't much entertainment coming from the pitch to help generate that atmosphere.

You obviously haven’t been to an away game before?

[BigGrantsTash 70]

18 hours ago, Cowboy said:

It might have been louder, but the quality of the booing was really poor:

The booing at the back of the stand was indecisive and pretty pointless - booing from left to right then back again with little idea about how to get the booing moving forward.

The booing in the middle of the stand was pretty non-existent to be fair - any booing coming into the middle from the back seemed to be shoved forward with little creative input from the boo-ers in the middle, and any booing coming backwards from the front was pretty much allowed just to go straight through to the back without any resistance.

The booing at front was fast and exciting on one or two occasions, but too often was uncontrolled and wild and on one occasion the easiest boo in the world was just allowed to fall out of the stand onto the pretty pointless grassy bit in front.

Overall, there are only a couple of boo-ers who are any good at all, and the rest of them don't seem to know, or don't seem to have been told, how to boo together. I suspect at least one or two of them don't even know what 'boo' is or how to spell it.

Maybe the fans ‘booing’ performance is representative of the player’s performance on the pitch. Half arsed.

[Corbs1 89]

Thanks for the original post. 
I’ve personally never met a fan who deifies the Board or owners. Most of us are naturally critical. One example- if we had pushed out the boat in 1993, and brought in a loan striker (Dowie was available) we would of won the premiership in my view.

I expect constructive criticism of the club, I want frustration born of passion. I believe us fans have whinging in our dna! What I am not so tolerant of is fans not having any grasp of context. In 1970 we were mid division 2, our current position is to some extent the norm for my club (if you take a wider view). In addition to this one cannot ignore the current state of English football, the dominance of the premiership, and the corrosive impact this has had on teams like ours chasing the Golden Fleece.

As for the small minority on here, they are simply motivated by prejudice against our current custodians; not any love of our club. 

[Number9 272]

58 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Our fans seem to be in this weird limbo where they're supporting poorly enough to negatively impact the team whilst simulatenously not being vocal enough to put pressure on getting rid of Wagner. It's all very weird.

Last season it was called a disconnect, maybe just apathy? 

Things are likely to change medium term when Attanasio takes over but it feels like we're treading water until then.

Just strange times.

[BigGrantsTash 70]

4 minutes ago, Corbs1 said:

Thanks for the original post. 
I’ve personally never met a fan who deifies the Board or owners. Most of us are naturally critical. One example- if we had pushed out the boat in 1993, and brought in a loan striker (Dowie was available) we would of won the premiership in my view.

I expect constructive criticism of the club, I want frustration born of passion. I believe us fans have whinging in our dna! What I am not so tolerant of is fans not having any grasp of context. In 1970 we were mid division 2, our current position is to some extent the norm for my club (if you take a wider view). In addition to this one cannot ignore the current state of English football, the dominance of the premiership, and the corrosive impact this has had on teams like ours chasing the Golden Fleece.

As for the small minority on here, they are simply motivated by prejudice against our current custodians; not any love of our club. 

Your last paragraph is strange. I’m genuinely unable to comprehend that people think like you at look at it like that/think like that. 
 

To honestly think that criticism is bourne out of prejudice towards Smith/Wynn-Jones. Why is it you think that? Can you prove it? Do you believe this is the case at every club? That when fans criticise the decision making at their club it’s always and agenda against the owners? If not then why only Norwich fans?

Also, what is it that makes you feel soo compelled to defend our currant custodians? Why does all criticism of them trigger you soo much? Do you feel you owe them something? Is it romantic? Do you believe that if Norwich was owned by anyone else it would automatically be a disaster?

[Feedthewolf 4,846]

2 hours ago, BigGrantsTash said:

You obviously haven’t been to an away game before?

Thanks for the hot take. Yep, been following the club for 38 years but never been to an away game, should probably try that some time!

In seriousness, though, I think away fans have more entitlement to voice their displeasure; at home our fans should be trying to make the atmosphere advantageous for the club they support, especially when the game is in the balance like it was on Saturday.

If, for example, you're doing a 500-mile round trip to watch us ship six goals at Plymouth, go for your life!

[TIL 1010 4,750]

Booing is sooooooooooo yesterday. Get your phone torches waving around Friday night at Hull and let Delia see it involves more than 20% who are unhappy.

[damn that Ralph Coates! 47]

Til is spot on!

The boooo-ers can use their phone torches instead  🙂 Would be amusing to see.

I used to hate listening to "Chase out" in the past instead of trying to rouse the team. (although it really was like a library yesterday)

I dont think the boos can help the players whose lack of confidence is manifest by all the playing the ball backwards.

The drum in the Barclay seems to have some sort of silencer on it now (barely hear it even in the snakepit) and it no longer deters the away fans from out-singing the Barclay.

 

[Midlands Yellow 3,995]

13 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Booing is sooooooooooo yesterday. Get your phone torches waving around Friday night at Hull and let Delia see it involves more than 20% who are unhappy.

Full moons by the travelling fans at Hull when the cameras home in. Delia etched on one cheek and out on the other. 

 

[Channon’s Windmill 327]

I am just wondering if the way to get the booing up to a better standard is to pre-record the boo on your phone and play it on the 20 minute point, whilst turning the light on too. Job done.