It’s not Dean Smiths fault

[TheBaldOne66 768]

The problem here lies far deeper than the manager we currently have.

 

For God knows how long we have been known as little old Norwich thanks to our illustrious majority shareholder using that phrase along with ones like we are just happy to be here!

 

That mentality is what is wrong with the club from top to bottom! How many other owners come out with quotes like that ffs? Or a quote of we want to be top 26?

No wonder the media and other fans take the pi$$ out of us so much, there is no rallying call like we are here to give it a real go or things like that, so until the club mentality changes or we get new ownership we are stuck with this dross we currently witness! 

Edited April 3, 2022 by TheBaldOne66

[canarydan23 4,761]

It is a bit though.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

Agreed. Smith might make the wrong selections but not his team. Its not his players. Give him a budget, let him build for next season with his own players and see how he does and judge him on that.

 

The idiots shouting for him to get out will turn us into Watford, forever sacking managers on an endless loop every two to three months and never blaming the players. Pathetic.never want us to become that.

[Indy 3,471]

Yes it is, he’s been bought in to improve things, he hasn’t, we look worse than ever! I don’t buy this bull of not his squad, he’s going to have the majority of this squad next year! Best he gets more out of them!

He’s happy to tow the City line, he’s a yes guy, Webber is a yes guy and the control at the top aren’t dynamic or focused on this football club as a passion, it’s just part of their life now! At 80 I don’t think they have the drive or passion for it! It’s all easy from top to bottom, an owner happy to flog more books, but not invest outside the self funding money, a DOF with a partner on the board so no pressure on him, he’s more focused on climbing mountains than climbing the table!

City fans should be concerned even the players look lethargic and not bothered, it’s endemic from top to bottom, lethargy!

[Kenny Foggo 1,193]

20 minutes ago, TheBaldOne66 said:

The problem here lies far deeper than the manager we currently have.

 

For God knows how long we have been known as little old Norwich thanks to our illustrious majority shareholder using that phrase along with ones like we are just happy to be here!

 

That mentality is what is wrong with the club from top to bottom! How many other owners come out with quotes like that ffs? Or a quote of we want to be top 26?

No wonder the media and other fans take the pi$$ out of us so much, there is no rallying call like we are here to give it a real go or things like that, so until the club mentality changes or we get new ownership we are stuck with this dross we currently witness! 

100%

[The Great Mass Debater 1,202]

A big problem I think is psychology. I think fans can accept losing, getting relegated even, as long as they feel the players are fighting. Perhaps a big problem we have at present is a mental one.

If you look at the team Lambert assembled, he very much recruited players who had the right mentality.

Mentality was also important to Farke (not so sure about Webber), and players with the wrong mentality got frozen out. Id argue that the mentality Farke sought however was different to that Lambert sought.

 

Lambert's team was full of fighters, full of 'hunger' to prove themselves. We had a number of players who had purple patches with us they never replicated anywhere else. We thought this came from Lambert himself - but he too has failed to replicate the purple patch he had with us.

So maybe the strength wa in the mentality of the players. Players who refuse to give up. Players whose heads dont drop when they concede a goal. Players who continue to believe in themselves.

Players put in abject displays when the psychology is wrong, not necessarily because they're bad players or dont care.

Smith himself, as the manager, seems unable to change the mentality of the group, of the individuals. Perhaps, if they arent already involved, a sports psychologist could aid performaces on the pitch, if not results - with the longer term problem addressed when it comes to future recruitment.

 

 

Edited April 3, 2022 by The Great Mass Debater

[kdncfc 28]

49 minutes ago, TheBaldOne66 said:

The problem here lies far deeper than the manager we currently have.

 

For God knows how long we have been known as little old Norwich thanks to our illustrious majority shareholder using that phrase along with ones like we are just happy to be here!

 

That mentality is what is wrong with the club from top to bottom! How many other owners come out with quotes like that ffs? Or a quote of we want to be top 26?

No wonder the media and other fans take the pi$$ out of us so much, there is no rallying call like we are here to give it a real go or things like that, so until the club mentality changes or we get new ownership we are stuck with this dross we currently witness! 

Spot on - if our majority shareholders care as much about the club as is claimed they should at least try and find new owners with more energy,drive and preferably more money.

[TIL 1010 5,246]

Smith was brought in to do a job and he has spectacularly failed in all aspects. He knew what he was taking on when he was interviewed and knew the financial restrictions that were in place. He has failed to motivate the players and along the way completely lost our identity.

[wcorkcanary 4,783]

34 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Smith was brought in to do a job and he has spectacularly failed in all aspects. He knew what he was taking on when he was interviewed and knew the financial restrictions that were in place. He has failed to motivate the players and along the way completely lost our identity.

I dont often agree with much that you post but on this occasion , i fear you are correct . Did you think about  it, or just know? 👍😇😉

[Monty13 2,736]

2 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

It is a bit though.

I think this is the most totally fair comment.

All this black and white **** arguments when the truth is there’s plenty of blame to go around. 

Yes Smith was given a crap squad and has had some worse luck, but he’s still not done enough.

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

2 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

I think this is the most totally fair comment.

All this black and white **** arguments when the truth is there’s plenty of blame to go around. 

Yes Smith was given a crap squad and has had some worse luck, but he’s still not done enough.

If we use the crap squad reason then we should point out that DF had the same crap squad.

 

[Monty13 2,736]

Just now, keelansgrandad said:

If we use the crap squad reason then we should point out that DF had the same crap squad.

 

True, but presumably Farke had a say in that squad so he doesn’t get a pass for me on that.

[TIL 1010 5,246]

Just to add Smith was appointed in November and was aware of the squad he was inheriting and with the January transfer window less than two months away he surely must have asked and been told by Webber that there was going to be no money or movement taking place and that he had to work with the hand he was dealt.

[TheBaldOne66 768]

1 hour ago, TIL 1010 said:

Smith was brought in to do a job and he has spectacularly failed in all aspects. He knew what he was taking on when he was interviewed and knew the financial restrictions that were in place. He has failed to motivate the players and along the way completely lost our identity.

What identity? Farke changed the system not Smith, why was it changed when we brought players in to play the previous system? 

Edited April 3, 2022 by TheBaldOne66

[canarybubbles 2,199]

I'm not sure we did buy players to play the previous system. For example, the previous system required high technical ability in all positions. How, then, do you explain Sargent? Whatever attributes he has, technical control of the ball is not one of them. The previous system had Skipp as a DM. Where did we recruit a DM? And don't say Normann, because even a cursory glance at the way he plays makes it obvious he is not, and does not want to be, a DM. The previous system had someone to thread balls through to Pukki. Who was hired to do that? Gilmour? 

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

32 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

True, but presumably Farke had a say in that squad so he doesn’t get a pass for me on that.

I wish I knew how much input a coach has to recruitment. Did DF have any say. How would he get to see other players when he is at every match?

 

[Fiery Zac 1,066]

1 hour ago, TIL 1010 said:

spectacularly failed in all aspects.

And yet was still an improvement on Farke. This loss of identity you throw in, completely forgetting to mention Farke had turned us into a complete shambles, of just 11 players running around, sometimes playing farkeball, other times lumping it long. At least Smith has attempted to get the most out of a very very limited squad and a completely non existent midfield.

This is all typical hindsight bo******. In hindsight, Farkes first season laid the foundations for what became a storming title triumph the season after once his philosophy was implemented and his players brought in and settled. Yet going by some posters logic, Farke should never have been given that chance.

Smith has failed this season. The last couple of months have been particularly poor and unacceptable. There are some extenuating circumstances such as the injuries and missing key players from what is already a very poor PL squad. But he deserves a chance, such as we gave Farke. Smith has proven himself a good coach (those that simply keep quoting Brentfords finishing positions in the championship under Smith need to get themselves off Wikipedia and do some actual research) and one that has earned some patience. I know patience is a confusing word to football fans but thankfully some within the sport have heard of it otherwise a lot of clubs would've missed out on some of their greatest achievements.

[crab man 178]

Its Smith out and Smith out from me 

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

We definitely have a big problem with Smith infestation at this club..... 

[Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,959]

1 hour ago, Fiery Zac said:

And yet was still an improvement on Farke. This loss of identity you throw in, completely forgetting to mention Farke had turned us into a complete shambles, of just 11 players running around, sometimes playing farkeball, other times lumping it long. At least Smith has attempted to get the most out of a very very limited squad and a completely non existent midfield.

This is all typical hindsight bo******. In hindsight, Farkes first season laid the foundations for what became a storming title triumph the season after once his philosophy was implemented and his players brought in and settled. Yet going by some posters logic, Farke should never have been given that chance.

Smith has failed this season. The last couple of months have been particularly poor and unacceptable. There are some extenuating circumstances such as the injuries and missing key players from what is already a very poor PL squad. But he deserves a chance, such as we gave Farke. Smith has proven himself a good coach (those that simply keep quoting Brentfords finishing positions in the championship under Smith need to get themselves off Wikipedia and do some actual research) and one that has earned some patience. I know patience is a confusing word to football fans but thankfully some within the sport have heard of it otherwise a lot of clubs would've missed out on some of their greatest achievements.

I think people have forgotten how sh*te we were this season under Farke.

We were going down with him, no doubt. We only had one dice we could roll, as it was clear we weren't going to be signing any new players in January, and that was to try a new manager.

Smith had a mountain (Everest anyone?) to climb and he didn't manage it. Quelle surprise! I gave him about a 5% chance back in January. He deserves to be given next year when we can then make a more informed judgement on his style of play and abilities as Norwich City coach. At the moment, he is simply trying to grind out results anyway he can with a first 11 that is worse than we had last year.

OTBC

Edited April 3, 2022 by Disco Dales Jockstrap

[Inch High aka Inchy.. 417]

Do the decent thing and cut Dean Smith loose as soon as relegation is confirmed. That way the club will have time to find us a Knutsen or a new Farke and in turn they will have time to sort this mess out. Smith is no good in the Championship unless he has an unlimited budget.

[yellowrider120 917]

9 hours ago, TheBaldOne66 said:

The problem here lies far deeper than the manager we currently have.

 

For God knows how long we have been known as little old Norwich thanks to our illustrious majority shareholder using that phrase along with ones like we are just happy to be here!

 

That mentality is what is wrong with the club from top to bottom! How many other owners come out with quotes like that ffs? Or a quote of we want to be top 26?

No wonder the media and other fans take the pi$$ out of us so much, there is no rallying call like we are here to give it a real go or things like that, so until the club mentality changes or we get new ownership we are stuck with this dross we currently witness! 

Exactly what I've been saying on here for years yet there are still so many fans who badger on about..........'Delia and Michael this' and 'Delia and Michael that' (Jack and Chris Reeve are classic examples). The Smiths / Wynn Jones's have zero interest in NCFC being in the PL. Their sole raison d'etre is for 'control' and 'family succession'.      

[corbs 147]

No lack of fans badgering on about Delia and Michael, much like the last post. 

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

13 hours ago, Inch High aka Inchy.. said:

Smith is no good in the Championship unless he has an unlimited budget.

And even then he'll scrape a 6th placed finish. No coincidence to me Brentford also vastly improved under the stewardship of his assistant. 

Nice bloke, sure but not what we require unfortunately. 

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,633]

It's a tough one. In a way, Smith had a free hit. When Farke was sacked, many accepted we we're going down. 

It isn't Smiths team and only really highlights the inept recruitment that took place last summer. That can't be forgotten as the main reason for our current plight.

However, Smith has stuck to similar formations and personal as Farke. We've been awful, and he hasn't shaken it up enough. The continued selection of Mclean and Gilmour is completely unjustified and demonstrates either incompetence or weakness on the part of Smith. I think most likely the latter. 

I still harbour faint hopes Smith is the right man for next season in the Championship. Or rather, I think we have next to no chance of getting better or plucking out another Daniel Farke.

I think the saddest thing about all this is that, if Farke was backed in 2019, with the likes of Pukki in his prime, Leitner looking the real deal, and a clear exciting identity that fans adored, we could've gone on to have some very good EPL years under Farke. He was disgracefully let down in two summer transfer windows. 

Edited April 4, 2022 by Creedence Clearwater Couto

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

Since the early 70s NCFC have probably spent as many seasons in the top flight as out of it (probably close anyway). So there is every reason to assume the club has done very well on the pitch. Under all the owners.

But as everything changes, and when the new TV deal comes in, in a big way, then the clubs have to be set up in an appropriate way.

Personally I have no objections, but if we want to be a nice, respected, club, then we will probably have to settle for Championship more often than not.

For those who want to be in the EPL, they are quite entitled to keep banging on about new owners.

[Terminally Yellow 2,614]

22 hours ago, Indy said:

Yes it is, he’s been bought in to improve things, he hasn’t, we look worse than ever! I don’t buy this bull of not his squad, he’s going to have the majority of this squad next year! Best he gets more out of them!

Absolute **** from a poster getting more and more renowned for posting absolute ****. 

1. He's absolutely improved things. We were out of the relegation zone at one point. Do you think that would have happened under Daniel Farke? There's a reason Farke has been overlooked for any decent managerial position - it's because he's not that good. 

2. This team's fate was sealed long before Dean Smith ever stepped a foot near the manager's office at Carrow Rd. It was sealed by the genius decision to stop playing the style of football we succeeded in winning the championship with and start playing a wide, fast counter attack without the players to capably play that. By the time Smith arrived, no manager would have succeeded. 

Edited April 4, 2022 by Terminally Yellow

[Thumbbass 365]

We've parachuted a manager in to save our season but didn't allow him to make any signings in January when it was obvious what we needed, and just as we appeared to get going we were derailed again with COVID and injuries

Since DS came in;

• it became obvious the Cantwell problem was with the player and he was not going to save our season so we were another player down
• We lost Rashica to injury when he was looking like he had found some form
• We lost Idah when he looked like he had found form and at a point where we found a way of playing that looked effective if not pretty
• We lost Normann when he looked genuinely PL class, has come back from injury and looked a poor shadow of himself probably in self preservation mode and now no longer looks like he can be bothered
• We lost Omobamidele when it became obvious he was going to oust Gibson and improve our backline
• We've played matches that we should never have been required to play due to our covid ravaged threadbare squad.

I genuinely don't think DS has much left to try the only job he can do this season is people manage - the squad is poor and he has no choice over the playing staff. 

The only bit of luck he's had is that Pukki has stayed fit otherwise I'm really not sure what we'd do. 

[Terminally Yellow 2,614]

14 hours ago, Inch High aka Inchy.. said:

Do the decent thing and cut Dean Smith loose as soon as relegation is confirmed. That way the club will have time to find us a Knutsen or a new Farke and in turn they will have time to sort this mess out. Smith is no good in the Championship unless he has an unlimited budget.

Oh my god you want to get rid of an established manager and find some random European unknown? **** me 

This is why this forum is so devoid from reality - you have absolutely no clue, do you?

[TheGunnShow 7,377]

1 minute ago, Terminally Yellow said:

Absolute **** from a poster getting more and more renowned for posting absolute ****. 

1. He's absolutely improved things. We were out of the relegation zone at one point. Do you think that would have happened under Daniel Farke? There's a reason Farke has been overlooked for any decent managerial position - it's because he's not that good. 

2. This team's fate was sealed long before Dean Smith ever stepped a foot near the manager's office at Carrow Rd. It was sealed by the genius decision to stop playing the style of football we succeeded in winning the championship with and start playing a wide, fast counter attack without the players to capably play that. By the time Smith arrived.

Sorta agree with 2, but 1 looks miles out. Krasnodar's regular appearances in Europe and a very wealthy backer indicate to me that was a decent side-step with potential to go far further on the European stage. 

If you're wondering about that, I'll raise you Kjetil Knutsen - who a fair few of us wanted before Smith got the job. He took an unfashionable club to Norwegian champions twice, but plenty more took notice when his Bodo side planted Mourinho's Roma side 6-1.