cambridgeshire canary 6,735 Posted November 1, 2021 Who's the better striker? I mean Wolfswinkel had scored by now in his season with us.. Â Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danbury Yellow 126 Posted November 1, 2021 Give the guy a break ffs. Why judge him with so many complex factors at play. Let’s get behind the guy and the other new lads and see how they develop.  4 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,174 Posted November 1, 2021 I can foresee Sargent being a 'fan's favourite' back in the Championship, even though he isn't quite what is needed right now, and even though improvement is on the cards. Â 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank shoots Skyler 2,094 Posted November 1, 2021 Lakey and Indy Bones were fast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank shoots Skyler 2,094 Posted November 1, 2021 Before we jump to recency bias with reaction to our current plight, please take one second to consider how RvW would've dealt with those high balls coming to him from the defensive line yesterday, or those floating wishy washy crosses from Rashica. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Fred 526 Posted November 1, 2021 Sargent is truly truly dreadful, like forest gump without the speed 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoolahoop14 124 Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) Sargent is technically one of the worst footballers I’ve ever seen down the Carra, and I mean that. Yes, he works harder that most others, but my god is he off the pace when it comes to sheer footballing ability.  Not since Chris Brown have I seen a forward so devoid of natural footballing ability.  RVW on the other hand genuinely had a bit about him, but he could not have been a worse fit for the side we had at the time. At least he could control a football for one. Edited November 1, 2021 by Hoolahoop14 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danbury Yellow 126 Posted November 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hank shoots Skyler said: Lakey and Indy Bones were fast. Ha….I’m positive I give you that.  But I’m championship positive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Petriix 2,840 Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) I suspect that RVW could have been an excellent striker if we'd ever attempted a single through-ball during his time at the club. We'll never really know. Sargent seems to do the physical bit of the game quite well: his movement is good and he competes for the ball. But there doesn't seem to be any kind of end product at all. This was epitomised yesterday when he picked up the ball and drove into the Leeds half, Pukki made a perfect run leaving his man for dead and all Sargent had to do was release the ball into the open space in front of goal, instead he took another three touches before being crowded out. Those moments (and the similar missed chances against Brighton) are the difference between winning and not at this level. I'd like to see us revert to playing a deeper number 10 instead of a second striker. Three dynamic attacking midfielders. I don't think Sargent really has the attributes to play in that kind of a role. I don't think we can afford to give a place in the starting 11 to a striker who doesn't look like scoring or creating anything. Edited November 1, 2021 by Petriix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarydan23 4,060 Posted November 1, 2021 You never know, he could end up being another Iwan Roberts. Dreadful first season followed by half a dozen great ones in which he attains legendary status. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted November 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Hoolahoop14 said: Sargent is technically one of the worst footballers I’ve ever seen down the Carra, and I mean that. Yes, he works harder that most others, but my god is he off the pace when it comes to sheer footballing ability. Hugill just as much of a donkey. That's two duds Webber has signed up top. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,609 Posted November 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said: I can foresee Sargent being a 'fan's favourite' back in the Championship, even though he isn't quite what is needed right now, and even though improvement is on the cards.  I do feel like he's one who could thrive in the league below. Two goals v Bournemouth, two in his two for Werder in the lower division before he moved to us.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,676 Posted November 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, king canary said: I do feel like he's one who could thrive in the league below. Two goals v Bournemouth, two in his two for Werder in the lower division before he moved to us.  Yeah, because he seems "decent" at everything a forward needs to do leading the line, but has no exceptional attributes (unlike Pukki who has movement and finishing) to be a Premier League regular. In his defence, he's only 21. Unfortunately, doesn't help us right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,609 Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, hogesar said: Yeah, because he seems "decent" at everything a forward needs to do leading the line, but has no exceptional attributes (unlike Pukki who has movement and finishing) to be a Premier League regular. In his defence, he's only 21. Unfortunately, doesn't help us right now He reminds me a bit of Emile Heskey in that he seems to have all the physical traits but not quite the football IQ to bring it all together. (To be clear I'm aware Heskey is better than Sargent). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,773 Posted November 1, 2021 51 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said: I can foresee Sargent being a 'fan's favourite' back in the Championship, even though he isn't quite what is needed right now, and even though improvement is on the cards. Â Ricky would have been that too though imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,222 Posted November 1, 2021 It's always hard to judge RvW as he played in team with next to no service. He did well before he came here, and has done well afterwards. To be honest we could stick Ronaldo up front right now and with the service the forwards are currently getting he wouldn't get many more on current showing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Don’t be Krul 399 Posted November 1, 2021 £ for £ Sargent has to be up there as one of the most expensive lack of talent we've purchased. RvW could play a bit. I should think Werder Bremen were having difficulty hiding their delight/amusement when our offer came in for him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,087 Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, hogesar said: Yeah, because he seems "decent" at everything a forward needs to do leading the line, but has no exceptional attributes (unlike Pukki who has movement and finishing) to be a Premier League regular. In his defence, he's only 21. Unfortunately, doesn't help us right now I think he is trying to do to much ,far to deep , his workrate you can not fault but he is a Striker needs service and needs to be in the danger area ,he is not going to score from the areas he puts himself in out wide / half way line etc needs to be in and around the box more our strikers are feeding on scraps like to see him get some more goal scoring chances like brighton to see if he can finish before i write him totally off yet was that miss against Brighton  a one off or the Norm ? Edited November 1, 2021 by norfolkngood Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son Ova Gunn 165 Posted November 1, 2021 Soccerbot IT - Good morning, how can I help? SW - yeah we have a problem with our soccerbot, we put a striker in it but it’s not working Soccerbot IT - have you turned it off and on? SW - yep, tried that but didn’t help Soccerbot IT - what striker did you put in? SW - Josh Sargent, we bought him thinking despite his goal ratio we could get him scoring regularly Soccerbot IT - hahahahah….. *line goes dead 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,750 Posted November 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Danbury Yellow said: Give the guy a break ffs. Why judge him with so many complex factors at play. Let’s get behind the guy and the other new lads and see how they develop.  So you reckon we have time in the Premier to wait and see how they develop ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Numan 25 Posted November 1, 2021 Sargent reminds me of Phil Boyer. Hard-working and a great foil for Ted MacDougall but couldn't score. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,334 Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, king canary said: He reminds me a bit of Emile Heskey in that he seems to have all the physical traits but not quite the football IQ to bring it all together. (To be clear I'm aware Heskey is better than Sargent). I'd make the counterpoint that it was, in fact, Heskey's footballing IQ that saw him get a load of England caps, win a decent number of trophies, and play for one of the biggest clubs in the world. That he wasn't prolific shows what he brought to the teams he played in.  Edited November 1, 2021 by kirku Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,235 Posted November 1, 2021 Hard to have an end product when there’s no service. Applies to both.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
urdie_Canary 33 Posted November 1, 2021 I would take John Sargent over both 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
curious yellow 184 Posted November 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, Numan said: Sargent reminds me of Phil Boyer. Hard-working and a great foil for Ted MacDougall but couldn't score. Unfair to Boyer, better than 1 goal every 3 games. Scored a great goal last night week for Southampton on Big Match Revisited. I'm amazed how patient some people have been with Sargent. 2 goals against Bournemouth but, putting that in perspective, Rupp scored that game and recently Gassan Ahadme scored 2 against them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgncfc 1,228 Posted November 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, Numan said: Sargent reminds me of Phil Boyer. Hard-working and a great foil for Ted MacDougall but couldn't score. I was thinking the same, but with the caveat that Phil Boyer was a much more skillful player and actually did create loads of goals for MacDougall. He also scored a few. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Numan 25 Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, curious yellow said: Unfair to Boyer, better than 1 goal every 3 games. Scored a great goal last night week for Southampton on Big Match Revisited. I'm amazed how patient some people have been with Sargent. 2 goals against Bournemouth but, putting that in perspective, Rupp scored that game and recently Gassan Ahadme scored 2 against them. I hadn't realised that Boyer scored that many .... my main memory of him is running around like a man possessed and blazing shots over the bar. Always thought he would have been a better attacking midfielder than a striker. I am not dissing him as a player though, he was great and was my dad's favourite player along with Mel Machin, now he could open up a defence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Wal 314 Posted November 1, 2021 1 hour ago, kirku said: I'd make the counterpoint that it was, in fact, Heskey's footballing IQ that saw him get a load of England caps, win a decent number of trophies, and play for one of the biggest clubs in the world. That he wasn't prolific shows what he brought to the teams he played in.  And to be clear Heskey also scored 110 Premiership goals, more than Crouch, Drogba, Torres and many more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danbury Yellow 126 Posted November 1, 2021 7 hours ago, TIL 1010 said: So you reckon we have time in the Premier to wait and see how they develop ? Well I completely agree and understand the point you’re making.  We have a number of ‘youth’ players who have the potential to become great….or completely not work out……we just don’t know yet, hence my views that this is too harsh at this juncture.  The complexity for them as an individual is that trying to develop them within this league is a tough gig, it shows and I acknowledge that. Doesn’t make him a bad player yet, he’s what 21 and he could well bag a few next season and be massively improved thereafter.  This is then a wider question about the ‘model’ for what we needed now and there are endless pages on that debate.   Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,246 Posted November 1, 2021 Doesn't appear to have the quality to score goals at any level in England. A shockingly poor acquisition so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites