king canary 7,606 Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, HertsCanary93 said: Is Klose confirmed to be fit? I know there have been images of him doing some ball work - but his injury was one that some players never recover from. If Zimmermann and Hanley hadn't have suffered injuries, I wouldn't have expected Klose to feature in a match day squad until next season. I expect we will see Tettey play CB again before the end of the season. And because we let our other defensive midfielder leave in January, that would leave us with basically no holding player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary73 160 Posted June 18, 2020 We will just have to resort to plan B - Outscore the opposition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,846 Posted June 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, king canary said: And because we let our other defensive midfielder leave in January, that would leave us with basically no holding player. I know he's not great, but Trybull is a holding midfielder. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,448 Posted June 18, 2020 *sighs* Defensively, we've been utterly cursed this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,606 Posted June 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said: I know he's not great, but Trybull is a holding midfielder. I had forgotten about him, that is fair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,606 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) The other element of our multiple injuries is the stakes are now raised in this compact end to the season- 6 week injuries are now season enders. All it takes is Klose to get a relatively minor muscle pull and we're ****ed. Edited June 18, 2020 by king canary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haus 259 Posted June 18, 2020 Though the situation is under review, Premier League clubs have reportedly been told players returning from loan spells this summer will not be eligible to play when the season resumes - unless there are 'exceptional circumstances' such as selection issues caused by illness or injury, This is the last update Ive seen - is this still relevant ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,673 Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, king canary said: Why is it comical though? I'm sure the folks at Colney won't just be shrugging their shoulders and saying 'oh well, unlucky lads.' The idea that we can't question the fact we've left ourselves with four fit defenders for the second time this season is more comical in my opinion. Why is it comical? Because the suggestion is different to your insinuation that the people at Colney will have looked into it. They'll have been looking at it from pre-season onwards. Will they have made adjustments? If the medical and scientific evidence pointed to it being necessary then i'm sure that will have been the case. But the injuries we're talking about - some of these have been due to injuries suffered in a match from challenges or whatever anyway. Til's reference to Colney staff 'walking on water' is odd - no one is saying otherwise. The thing I find comical is people with absolutely 0 credibility in the field and only media reports on injuries criticising without basis. People say it can't just be bad luck - why can't it be? Why does someone have to be to blame? Who's to blame for Arsenal's two injuries in the first half yesterday? Is there medical team even worse than ours? Or Evertons? How good does our medical team have to be to guarantee our defenders dont get injured? I just find the speculative criticising a bit below the belt and odd. It was like when people were criticising the club over the potential rebate stuff before the rebate stuff was announced. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,207 Posted June 18, 2020 To put a bit of the other side here unfortunately when you rush back there are risks and it is and will not be that we are the only club to suffer. The blame has to be laid at the the door of the EPL. After last night it is reported that Arsenal have lost 5 players for the 6 weeks due to injuries in the game. Unfortunately for us and others there will be many more injuries yet. You cannot possibly get anywhere your body toned the way the EPL has insisted ( so they get their money ). These players would normally have 6 - 8 friendlies before they are close to match fit and even then would rarely play more than 45 minutes in most of those games. I also understand that it is only Hanley injured in training, the other 2 are the long term injuries they had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted June 18, 2020 There’s unlucky yes, but with our recent experience have to say this is really disappointing news and does make you question what’s going on in training. Clearly training at this point has to reflect real game time so on that basis there is an argument that these problems would have emerged during games in any event. A lot depends on the nature of the injuries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,141 Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Van wink said: There’s unlucky yes, but with our recent experience have to say this is really disappointing news and does make you question what’s going on in training. Clearly training at this point has to reflect real game time so on that basis there is an argument that these problems would have emerged during games in any event. A lot depends on the nature of the injuries. So what you're saying is "wass gorn orn in trayun Neyul"? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,141 Posted June 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: Exactly. Three players for two positions is too light. Four is ideal, five is arguably a bit heavy. I'd certainly rather five than three, though. The other relevant point to make about having five players for two spots is that your fifth player either has to be better than all the rest (i.e. expensive), or happy with the strong possibility that they won't play all season - and who wants a player that isn't motivated to play? Better IMHO opinion to have someone who can play there in an emergency, which is what we did with Amadou. Letting him leave looks questionable, I guess the decision was that he was no better than the alternatives so we were wasting the money being spent on his wages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,343 Posted June 18, 2020 DF says that Byram may an operation that will put him out for months. I know we have to look for bargains to suit our financial position but there was a reason he was such a ‘ bargain ‘. His terrible injury record. It was worth a gamble but the prices we pay in signing such players seems to uncannilymatch the amount of game time they manage to clock up. Regarding all these defensive injuries I don’t remember them happening in the Championship ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary dwarf 221 Posted June 18, 2020 Sadly the chance we had of staying up has now gone ,relying on injury prone klose to stay fit for 9 games and perform to a good standard (unlikely) ,and hoping Godfrey learns the art of defending (unlikely) and tettey is no cb either ,a real shame . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Nuff Said said: So what you're saying is "wass gorn orn in trayun Neyul"? In terms Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted June 18, 2020 Can Jordan Rhodes play at centre half? 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clint 221 Posted June 18, 2020 Already been said but this surely means we just have to go for it. If the midfield and attack are firing, this becomes less of a problem. We’re unlikely to keep many clean sheets anyway given the nature of how we play so let’s just attack and if we go down, we go down in style! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,820 Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Clint said: Already been said but this surely means we just have to go for it. If the midfield and attack are firing, this becomes less of a problem. We’re unlikely to keep many clean sheets anyway given the nature of how we play so let’s just attack and if we go down, we go down in style! Romantic idea in theory but with a weak defence that will no doubt be running on empty halfway through this six-week spell and no viable alternatives, I think a gung-ho approach would mean that we'd go down getting pumped 6-1 every week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unique 435 Posted June 18, 2020 I would doubt any other team in the history of the PL have had to deal with the defensive injury woes that Norwich have suffered with this season. The chances of getting through nine matches, piled on top of one another, with just two centre-halves remaining fit and playing every minute, Is zilch. With Klose’s recent injury history, it is even worse than zilch. We have been totally shafted this season, something sadly that will never show up in the history books. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, unique said: shafted By who ? The word shafted suggests someone is responsible. We cannot be shafted by luck , luck is a concept, not a being. Do you know something we don't Uniqueo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Making Plans 936 Posted June 18, 2020 8 hours ago, Canary73 said: We will just have to resort to plan B - Outscore the opposition. Well I guess that if you want to win football matches that's usually the main objective of any plan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orly 277 Posted June 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Feedthewolf said: I know he's not great, but Trybull is a holding midfielder. Resident Trybull-fanboy 'offense-taken-mode' activated. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,985 Posted June 18, 2020 It’s the last throw of the dice so just go for the jugular tomorrow and have no regrets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,659 Posted June 18, 2020 One of the issues we have is what on earth do we do for the cup q-f - we have no back-up defenders but will hardly want to play our fit cbs more than we have to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Too Bad 6 Posted June 19, 2020 10 hours ago, Nuff Said said: The other relevant point to make about having five players for two spots is that your fifth player either has to be better than all the rest (i.e. expensive), or happy with the strong possibility that they won't play all season - and who wants a player that isn't motivated to play? Better IMHO opinion to have someone who can play there in an emergency, which is what we did with Amadou. Letting him leave looks questionable, I guess the decision was that he was no better than the alternatives so we were wasting the money being spent on his wages. Amadou was terrible as CB. Not his fault, he was played out of position, but it was an absolute train wreck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiery Zac 1,066 Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Too Bad said: Amadou was terrible as CB. Not his fault, he was played out of position, but it was an absolute train wreck. Did pretty well against Man City, got MOM 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWC 240 Posted June 19, 2020 Norwich City have not had all four of their first-team centre-halves (Godfrey, Hanley, Klose, Zimmermann) fit for selection for any game in the last 13 months. The last fixture when they were all available was Aston Villa A, the last game of 2018/19 #ncfc from NCFC Numbers on twitter... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,606 Posted June 19, 2020 16 hours ago, hogesar said: Why is it comical? Because the suggestion is different to your insinuation that the people at Colney will have looked into it. They'll have been looking at it from pre-season onwards. Will they have made adjustments? If the medical and scientific evidence pointed to it being necessary then i'm sure that will have been the case. But the injuries we're talking about - some of these have been due to injuries suffered in a match from challenges or whatever anyway. Til's reference to Colney staff 'walking on water' is odd - no one is saying otherwise. The thing I find comical is people with absolutely 0 credibility in the field and only media reports on injuries criticising without basis. People say it can't just be bad luck - why can't it be? Why does someone have to be to blame? Who's to blame for Arsenal's two injuries in the first half yesterday? Is there medical team even worse than ours? Or Evertons? How good does our medical team have to be to guarantee our defenders dont get injured? I just find the speculative criticising a bit below the belt and odd. It was like when people were criticising the club over the potential rebate stuff before the rebate stuff was announced. It isn't speculative criticism- it is concern based on the evidence we have. The constant injuries to the same players may just be down to bad luck but it isn't wild to suggest that maybe what we've done with these players in training hasn't helped. The part about squad management is less debatable in my eyes. We came into this season with two central defenders already injured and another one out by the end of August. This lack of options in turn makes the inury situation worse as we're forced to rush players back before we might usually want to. Now you can argue the summer is just bad luck- four central defenders and a defensive midfielder who can also play there should be enough. What I don't see how anyone can argue is the decision making in January. We let Amadou walk. We loan out Heise. We even loan out Famewo who has seemed the most likely youngster to step up. We bring in no replacements apart from a possible utility midfielder who 'might be able to play full back in a pinch.' So we're left with 7 defenders... Klose- still injured at the time, history or injury problems Godfrey- fit, generally not missed much time Zimmermann- no preseason, 3 months on the treatment table this season Hanley- spent half the season out injured, history of injury problems Aarons- super reliable Lewis- ditto Byram- signed on the cheap precisely due to his injury issues. How anybody can take a step back, look at that list and say 'yep this should see us through' is beyond me to be honest. And now three on that list have been ruled out for the season- it isn't bad luck it is bad preparation. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Greenthumb 749 Posted June 19, 2020 21 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said: There needs to be an investigation into training and the behind the scenes going ons. I mean, really? this many injuries outside of matches? Who is the backup centre back now? I’ve lost track! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,718 Posted June 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, Dr Greenthumb said: Who is the backup centre back now? I’ve lost track! Tetty 🙃 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites