The Positive Brexit Thread

[SwindonCanary 455]

27 minutes ago, Bill said:

you - 'he calls everyone who he disagrees with a liar'

me- 'I do not call them liars because they are not lying, They post up reasoned arguments based on known facts '

so your claim of 'everyone' is a lie

It sure seem that you call everyone who disagrees with you or is it just us that voted to leave the EU  As you have to admit it's a lot of people on here.

[Bill 1,788]

4 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

It sure seem that you call everyone who disagrees with you or is it just us that voted to leave the EU  As you have to admit it's a lot of people on here.

So it is what seems to you - not what is fact

And the liars are yourself, and the person who calls himself Jools/Moy./RTB...etc which is not 'a lot if people', is it ?

What is a lot of people are those who point out your lies. Claims that you are never able to demonstrate that they are not lies.... as with your lie about the vaccine and Dublin

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

6 hours ago, BigFish said:

Interesting one this. It seems that Nissan see a competive advantage because they source their batteries from the UK or the EU. The trade deal has changed the dynamics in that batteries made in the EU are zero tariff and are covered by rules of origin in the treaty.

The competive advantage isn't the result of Brexit, because there is no advantage gained. The advantage is gained as opposed to No Deal and is the result of what the Brexwits call the EU protectionism. It is literally the opposite of "Global Britain".

Brexit deal gives Nissan a competitive advantage, boss declares 

Chief operating officer Ashwani Gupta says trade deal that avoids export tariffs safeguards Sunderland plant and tens of thousands of jobs

The Brexit trade deal is a positive development that could turbocharge sales for Nissan and transform the British car industry, according to a top executive at the Japanese carmarker.

In comments that mark a change of tone following years of speculation it could close its Sunderland plant, chief operating officer Ashwani Gupta said that Boris Johnson's deal has prevented major turmoil - and dismissed disruption in the ports as "peanuts".

Covid is forcing the company to pause some production in Sunderland from Friday. However, the plant could nearly double production from its pre-Covid levels of 320,000 to 350,000 cars a year if there is enough demand in future, Mr Gupta said, with the firm expected to win market share from imported rival marques as their sales dip amid increased red tape.

He said: “Brexit for Nissan is a positive. We’ll take this opportunity to redefine the auto industry in the UK. In certain conditions, our competitiveness is improved. For some of the cases, it is at par. It depends on which car, but competitiveness is definitely improved in electric vehicles.”

"Sunderland is one of the top three plants in the world for competitiveness for Nissan. Brexit gives us the competitive advantage in the UK and outside."

Mr Gupta added that the trade agreement would help protect 75,000 jobs in the UK and across Europe. It means that cars are not hit with a 10pc tariff as they would have been under World Trade Organisation rules.

When asked about cross-border disruption, he said Nissan has previously dealt with disruption from earthquakes, tsunamis, floods and the Covid pandemic.

“For a global manufacturer operating in 150 markets, with 40 plants worldwide,  to have additional documentation to fill a form at the border is nothing. People are prepared for it.”

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

1 hour ago, kirku said:

It is a lie. You may not realise it, because you seem to be the type that's easily duped, but it is a lie nonetheless.

Fact: Hungary has approved the Russian vaccine and Astro/Oxford independently of the EU. Why? Because individual member states have always had the power to do so

Because Hungary cannot get enough vaccine through the EU scheme which is totally fkd up.

Officials from the EU offered the UK the chance to join the combined purchasing power of 27 member states, but under a few conditions.

To join, the UK would have to immediately cease all negotiations with any supplier also in talks with the EU. The European Commission would have an exclusive right to negotiate with vaccine manufacturers on our behalf, while the UK, unlike EU Member States, would have no say on which companies to negotiate with, how many doses to buy, at what price and on what delivery schedule.

“There was a complete loss of control and complete loss of say over the entire strategy,” one Whitehall official said.

“We told the EU, we can't participate like this. For a few weeks we tried to negotiate on governance - basically we were saying we would only take part if we had more of a say.

“But the EU wouldn’t move.”

Pressure to join forces with Brussels was intense. Leading scientists had published a letter in the Guardian suggesting that a failure to do so would likely leave the UK in a queue with other non-EU countries to acquire the vaccine after EU member states, and on less-favourable terms.

In the first week of July, business secretary Alok Sharma made the final decision: as a newly non-EU member state, the UK would go it alone. On July 10 the UK’s ambassador to the EU, Sir Tim Barrow, sent a letter to the European Commission confirming the ‘no deal’.

“The UK Government has decided on this occasion not to join this internal EU Initiative,” Sir Tim wrote.

That decision, although potentially risky at the time, has arguably proven a master stroke.

Little more than six months later, the EU’s rollout is in disarray. Brussels finally approved the purchase of 300 million doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in December, while the UK struck a deal for 30m doses in June.

This country became the first in the world to sign deals with AstraZeneca in May, and accelerated approval of the Oxford vaccine through the MHRA on December 30.

On the Continent, the Oxford vaccine is yet to be approved. After the EU relaxed the rules on member states striking their own deals, the German government has come under fire for lagging behind other countries in accessing the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine - despite BioNTech being a German company.

Meanwhile the Netherlands only began vaccinating on January 6, nearly a month after the UK.

Speaking to Der Spiegel magazine, the inventor of the Pfizer vaccine Uğur Şahin suggested this week that the EU had hedged its bets, and lost.

“The process in Europe certainly didn't proceed as quickly and straightforwardly as with other countries,” he said.

“In part because the European Union isn't directly authorized, and member states also have a say. That can result in a loss of time in a negotiation situation where a strong message is needed.

[kirku 1,334]

Completely discredited poster in posting irrelevant nonsense shocker

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

5 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

I didn't lie, all I wrote was the Billy liar was at it again, he calls everyone who he disagrees with a liar I DID NOT SAY 75,000 JOBS DID I    To apologize would be nice, but I NEVER GET IT 

I will apologise. It wasn't you. It was Moy who posted it would save 750,000 jobs.

Is he wrong or right?

[SwindonCanary 455]

1 hour ago, Bill said:

So it is what seems to you - not what is fact

And the liars are yourself, and the person who calls himself Jools/Moy./RTB...etc which is not 'a lot if people', is it ?

What is a lot of people are those who point out your lies. Claims that you are never able to demonstrate that they are not lies.... as with your lie about the vaccine and Dublin

can you name any more leavers on here ?

[Surfer 1,547]

British owned. You would think that Union Flag waiving Bexiteers would care about British jobs and British companies. But apparently not. Even the Passport contract was given to a French company and printed in Poland - but at least they are blue (well black actually, but don't tell anyone as it would highlight the fact the Government never specified which blue)

 

Edited January 23, 2021 by Surfer

[SwindonCanary 455]

 

[Bill 1,788]

mouse brain is back with more lies

he really can't help himself

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

and there you go again !  how am I telling a lie ?

[Bill 1,788]

4 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

and there you go again !  how am I telling a lie ?

by posting up nonsense that is clearly misrepresenting the true picture

 

I could state that you are a scrounger who hasn't got a job and lives off government handouts

whereas others would correct me and state that you are retired and receive pensions for which you have earned

 

the first is to intentionally misrepresent your position - so how would you describe anyone who repeated the first claim

 a liar..... I would

 

 

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

so tell me what's the real true picture, when all you remainers where saying it would close. 

Edited January 23, 2021 by SwindonCanary

[Surfer 1,547]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

 

Other than the blah blah blah Swindon, what the Nissan boss said is that a Brexit deal that avoids tariffs is advantageous compared to a Brexit no-deal that did apply tariffs. Well that much is true, but it's pretty thin gruel. 

But you own all of the results of Brexit - almost positive news / maintaining a status quo for a Japanese multi-national like above, but also entire British owned industries being priced out of existence through a massive increase in administrative, logistics, customs and tax compliance costs, the reduction of which "EU red tape" was yet another Brexit lie.  

 

Edited January 23, 2021 by Surfer

[horsefly 4,301]

4 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Other than the blah blah blah Swindon, what the Nissan boss said is that a Brexit deal that avoids tariffs is advantageous compared to a Brexit no-deal that applies tariffs. Well it would wouldn't it? That is pretty thin gruel. 

But you own all of the results of Brexit - almost positive news / maintains status quo like the above, but also entire industries being priced out of existence through a massive increase in administrative, logistics, customs and tax compliance costs, the reduction of which "EU red tape" was yet another Brexit lie.  

 

Exactly! And let's not forget that Nissan have clearly "blackmailed" the government into giving them one hell of a deal to avoid them uprooting to the EU. Indeed, so good is that deal for Nissan that the government refuses to let the tax-payer (who is funding it) know just how much we are giving to them.

[Yellow Fever 3,793]

Brexit now is simply a damage limitation exercise for all companies. Not many (any?) can find tangible positives. It's a mark of how dumb the situation is when we have to celebrate a successful long settled company deciding to stay put !

[Bill 1,788]

2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

so tell me what's the real true picture, when all you remainers where saying it would close. 

perhaps you could tell us why I am able to easily find this, and you could not

anyway here’s a clue, so why not use that as a starting point and have a read through reliable sources - not those that have no other purpose than to scam money from idiots by feeding their adductive habit

"The Envision plant, whose annual battery output is about 1.9 Gigawatt hours [GWh], is considered to be relatively small compared with other automotive battery factories. Industry insiders do not generally describe it as a “gigafactory” on the scale of those being built in Europe by the likes of the US electric car pioneer Tesla or Northvolt, a Swedish startup, as they race to meet EU targets to build up a European battery industry."

 

briefly it relates to the amount of non EU parts that are allowed in construction

at the moment Nissan has a small battery manufacturing plant which gives it a head start

these batteries are for electric cars

as the above state bigger players are already in the EU and so will blow away the Nissan battery plant very soon

 

what Brexit has done is cut off the UK from it's nearest and biggest market, as well as the global market by looking backwards and becoming isolationist in outlook

with the barriers and costs now in place I would suspect that the cost of importing the batteries needed on the assembly of electric cars in the UK will make that assembly not cost effective

now if you want to show some appreciation for my taking the trouble to précis this down as basic as possible, then read up on this and inform yourself, for once

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-21/catl-lg-energy-solution-expand-battery-operations-worldwide

and you will see there is nothing there about the UK, as it is already being regarded as a backwater

 

 

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[horsefly 4,301]

Just two more stories from the litany of daily horrors posted that show what a disaster Brexit has visited on the UK. And the best news the Brexiteers can come up with is that a company has decided not to relocate to the EU after the government managed to bribe it with tax-payer's money not to. Sheer lunacy!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/fury-at-brexit-tax-as-retailers-threaten-to-burn-goods-rather-than-pay-higher-costs/ar-BB1cZPwg?ocid=msedgntp

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/woman-left-stunned-after-being-charged-an-extra-82-for-200-coat-because-of-brexit/ar-BB1cZCn0?ocid=msedgntp

[Herman 9,779]

Basically Johnson's deal did just enough to be able to keep Nissan here so that the brexwits could see some tangible benefit of brexit, a win so to speak. Without looking at all the small details, it is some good news for the people of Sunderland. Not so good news for the thousands of other British companies and industries, that were forgotten about and that are currently going to the wall.

Currently the brexwits are cheering  getting a goal while being 10 nil down.

[Herman 9,779]

10 hours ago, Surfer said:

British owned. You would think that Union Flag waiving Bexiteers would care about British jobs and British companies. But apparently not. Even the Passport contract was given to a French company and printed in Poland - but at least they are blue (well black actually, but don't tell anyone as it would highlight the fact the Government never specified which blue)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/cheshire-cheesemaker-says-business-left-with-250000-brexit-hole

“It is a real shame because that means I’m now going to invest in France, provide French employment, and then contribute to the EU tax system, which was pretty much going against the whole reason that we were meant to be leaving.”

[SwindonCanary 455]

Come on guys look on the bright side, you lot were saying it will close yet it remains open and the jobs are saved. Some of you are still in the dumps coz you lost 

[horsefly 4,301]

25 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Come on guys look on the bright side, you lot were saying it will close yet it remains open and the jobs are saved. Some of you are still in the dumps coz you lost 

I'll look on the bright side when you are able to post large numbers of stories pouring out from businesses (that haven't been given huge government subsidies) telling us how well Brexit is going. Despite what you think, it gives me no pleasure at all to see the litany of businesses posting horror stories about their low prospects for survival. Indeed, it fills me with enormous sadness to see so many of them going down the pan, especially the small ones that don't have the resources of the big corporations to be able to weather the storm. What we don't need is blind optimism but honest REALISM, and immediate government intervention to stop the carnage. REAL people's lives are being ruined by the current catastrophe. A pathetic plea to show more optimism is an insult to the victims of the Brexit as you would soon find out if you told them so to their faces.

[PurpleCanary 5,562]

7 minutes ago, horsefly said:

I'll look on the bright side when you are able to post large numbers of stories pouring out from businesses (that haven't been given huge government subsidies) telling us how well Brexit is going. Despite what you think, it gives me no pleasure at all to see the litany of businesses posting horror stories about their low prospects for survival. Indeed, it fills me with enormous sadness to see so many of them going down the pan, especially the small ones that don't have the resources of the big corporations to be able to weather the storm. What we don't need is blind optimism but honest REALISM, and immediate government intervention to stop the carnage. REAL people's lives are being ruined by the current catastrophe. A pathetic plea to show more optimism is an insult to the victims of the Brexit as you would soon find out if you told them so to their faces.

There have been posts here (some even from sensible people) saying that now Brexit has happened, de jure ad de facto, it is up to everybody, including Remain voters, to pull together to make it work.

No.

That would be a fundamental mistake. It would allow the government to say it had the whole country behind it and give it carte blanche to carry on with this economically ruinous Brexit.

The only way the government; which gives really dire end of the pier shows a bad name,  will change course is if Brexiters in business and in the population as a whole admit they were stupidly, catastrophically wrong and demand a wholesale renegotiation of Johnson's Potemkin trade deal.

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

Good analysis from CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/23/business/brexit-business-intl-gbr/index.html

Many Brexiteer lawmakers felt vindicated when the world didn't fall off its axis in the immediate aftermath of Brexit, as plenty of the anti-Brexiteers' worst nightmares failed to materialize. However, if the current trajectory of gradual decline continues, the slide could become uncontrollable.

Those politicians will have to explain to voters why they encouraged their prime minister to pursue such a hard Brexit despite the warnings of its consequences. They have a couple of months before things get really bad to put pressure on Johnson to start engaging with the reality of Brexit a little more.

The question that matters most to those struggling is how bad things must get before those who most vocally supported Brexit are willing to break ranks and admit the truth: that leaving the world's largest trading bloc has immediate consequences.

 

Or as one commentator said earlier in the week 'UK is the only country to declare sanctions on itself'.

 

Edited January 23, 2021 by A Load of Squit

[BigFish 1,988]

13 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Brexit deal gives Nissan a competitive advantage, boss declares 

Chief operating officer Ashwani Gupta says trade deal that avoids export tariffs safeguards Sunderland plant and tens of thousands of jobs

The Brexit trade deal is a positive development that could turbocharge sales for Nissan and transform the British car industry, according to a top executive at the Japanese carmarker.

In comments that mark a change of tone following years of speculation it could close its Sunderland plant, chief operating officer Ashwani Gupta said that Boris Johnson's deal has prevented major turmoil - and dismissed disruption in the ports as "peanuts".

Covid is forcing the company to pause some production in Sunderland from Friday. However, the plant could nearly double production from its pre-Covid levels of 320,000 to 350,000 cars a year if there is enough demand in future, Mr Gupta said, with the firm expected to win market share from imported rival marques as their sales dip amid increased red tape.

He said: “Brexit for Nissan is a positive. We’ll take this opportunity to redefine the auto industry in the UK. In certain conditions, our competitiveness is improved. For some of the cases, it is at par. It depends on which car, but competitiveness is definitely improved in electric vehicles.”

"Sunderland is one of the top three plants in the world for competitiveness for Nissan. Brexit gives us the competitive advantage in the UK and outside."

Mr Gupta added that the trade agreement would help protect 75,000 jobs in the UK and across Europe. It means that cars are not hit with a 10pc tariff as they would have been under World Trade Organisation rules.

When asked about cross-border disruption, he said Nissan has previously dealt with disruption from earthquakes, tsunamis, floods and the Covid pandemic.

“For a global manufacturer operating in 150 markets, with 40 plants worldwide,  to have additional documentation to fill a form at the border is nothing. People are prepared for it.”

 

19 hours ago, BigFish said:

Interesting one this. It seems that Nissan see a competive advantage because they source their batteries from the UK or the EU. The trade deal has changed the dynamics in that batteries made in the EU are zero tariff and are covered by rules of origin in the treaty.

The competive advantage isn't the result of Brexit, because there is no advantage gained. The advantage is gained as opposed to No Deal and is the result of what the Brexwits call the EU protectionism. It is literally the opposite of "Global Britain".

 

[paul moy 235]

14 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

It sure seem that you call everyone who disagrees with you or is it just us that voted to leave the EU  As you have to admit it's a lot of people on here.

It's a common trait of remoaners to abuse and lie.  Sore losers.

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

Now Liz Truss's hastily arranged trade deals are beginning to unwind.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-tariffs-bananas-africa-farmers-b1791225.html

Brexit: £100,000 of tariffs slapped on Fairtrade bananas from Africa threatening farmers with ruin

[Well b back 3,216]

19 minutes ago, paul moy said:

It's a common trait of remoaners to abuse and lie.  Sore losers.

On average you lie and abuse people about 20 times per day, so if your statement above does happen to be correct it simply means both sides of the argument do the same thing, although I have to say when I fact check the other sides points they are usually correct.

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

Then

Now.

 

[paul moy 235]

More 'lies' from the express........  🤣😎🤗

EU retailers  struggling more than UK retailers due to EU red tape:

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1387959/Brexit-news-EU-business-UK-shipping-latest-Manchester-United-WAG-caught-up