The Positive Brexit Thread

[Herman 9,717]

2 hours ago, Well b back said:

There were many fools like me that believed an extra £350 million a week would be on its way to the NHS and our kids worker rights would be protected. 
You are spot on I was a fool to believe it, it was never going to happen.

Vote Leave promised you ABC. You voted for ABC. They are now trying to deliver XYZ and dishonestly claiming that the people voted for this. You have the intelligence to realise that this isn't right and are saying so, while some are moving their personal goalposts by pretending that they did indeed vote for this. 

We need more people like you. 

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

14 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

the difference is it does not cost us a fortune to be in the club ! 

No difference at all I'm afraid because It never did cost us a fortune and Brexit is already costing us far more than we used to pay into the EU and is going to cost us vastly more going forward, as you will see if you ever look at any serious economic reports instead of the fake news tripe you usually read.

[paul moy 235]

1 minute ago, Creative Midfielder said:

No difference at all I'm afraid because It never did cost us a fortune and Brexit is already costing us far more than we used to pay into the EU and is going to cost us vastly more going forward, as you will see if you ever look at any serious economic reports instead of the fake news tripe you usually read.

So 15 billion annually plus the loss of industries such as fishing and those subsidised by the EU to move from the UK to EUtopia, and the exporting of their unemployed etc to abuse our welfare state and goodwill is low cost........ typical socialist remoaner !!  🤗

[horsefly 4,287]

I'm sure Boris said there is definitely no border between the UK and NI so there must be some mistake here:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/farmers-advised-of-new-rules-for-importing-hay-and-straw-after-brexit/ar-BB1cX9SP?ocid=msedgntp

Farmers advised of new rules for importing hay and straw after Brexit

This requires documentary, identity and physical checks to be carried out on relevant goods as they enter Northern Ireland from GB.

Outlining the new rules for moving consignments of hay and straw, a DAERA spokesperson said: “From January 1, before moving hay or straw from GB to NI the person responsible for the consignment must:

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“Be registered on TRACES NT (the EU’s Trade Control and Expert System).

“At least 24 hours before entering NI, create a Common Health Entry Document for Products of Animal Origin (CHED P) on TRACES NT. This will pre-notify DAERA of the arrival of the consignment.

“When completing the CHED P, input CN code 1214 90 90 for hay and CN code 1213 00 00 for straw: and

“Familiarise themselves with the conditions attached to the general import licence for hay and straw.

“A guidance note setting out each of these steps and links to further information is available on the DAERA website at www.daera-ni.gov.uk/articles/moving-hay-and-straw-gb

“The website also contains information about other rule changes following EU Exit and provides guidance to assist business and individuals through these changes.”

[paul moy 235]

Just now, horsefly said:

I'm sure Boris said there is definitely no border between the UK and NI so there must be some mistake here:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/farmers-advised-of-new-rules-for-importing-hay-and-straw-after-brexit/ar-BB1cX9SP?ocid=msedgntp

Farmers advised of new rules for importing hay and straw after Brexit

This requires documentary, identity and physical checks to be carried out on relevant goods as they enter Northern Ireland from GB.

Outlining the new rules for moving consignments of hay and straw, a DAERA spokesperson said: “From January 1, before moving hay or straw from GB to NI the person responsible for the consignment must:

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“Be registered on TRACES NT (the EU’s Trade Control and Expert System).

“At least 24 hours before entering NI, create a Common Health Entry Document for Products of Animal Origin (CHED P) on TRACES NT. This will pre-notify DAERA of the arrival of the consignment.

“When completing the CHED P, input CN code 1214 90 90 for hay and CN code 1213 00 00 for straw: and

“Familiarise themselves with the conditions attached to the general import licence for hay and straw.

“A guidance note setting out each of these steps and links to further information is available on the DAERA website at www.daera-ni.gov.uk/articles/moving-hay-and-straw-gb

“The website also contains information about other rule changes following EU Exit and provides guidance to assist business and individuals through these changes.”

........exactly why we simply had to leave the incredibly bureaucratic, protectionist and expensive EU dictatorship in order to expand and trade freely with the rest of the world.

[horsefly 4,287]

2 minutes ago, paul moy said:

So 15 billion annually plus the loss of industries such as fishing and those subsidised by the EU to move from the UK to EUtopia, and the exporting of their unemployed etc to abuse our welfare state and goodwill is low cost........ typical socialist remoaner !!  🤗

Oh dear! You obviously didn't follow the news yesterday, the era of Trumpian "alternative facts" (or as we call them, lies) is dead. Now grow up and learn to play with the adults.

[horsefly 4,287]

1 minute ago, paul moy said:

........exactly why we simply had to leave the incredibly bureaucratic, protectionist and expensive EU dictatorship in order to expand and trade freely with the rest of the world.

And you had the gall to claim to be an economist. HAHAHA! or as one of your alternative fact heroes would have put it:

 

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

3 minutes ago, paul moy said:

So 15 billion annually plus the loss of industries such as fishing and those subsidised by the EU to move from the UK to EUtopia, and the exporting of their unemployed etc to abuse our welfare state and goodwill is low cost........ typical socialist remoaner !!  🤗

I didn't say it was low cost (although it was), I said it didn't cost us a fortune and that Brexit is costing us far more - fact!

A fact that you choose to ignore, whilst simultaneously lying about the cost of membership.

I know that you, much like Trump, have an 'uneasy relationship with facts and the truth' but nevertheless facts are facts and the truth remains the truth no matter how often you repeat your tired lies...............

..............typical illiterate, innumerate Brexiteer   🙄

[Bill 1,788]

Blimey, are you lot still replying to Moy/Jools ?

You still think he is posting up an argument in favour of rightie sht ?

He is not, he is posting up what he knows so many in here will fall for

stop wasting your time on this troll

Edited January 21, 2021 by Bill

[horsefly 4,287]

19 minutes ago, Bill said:

Blimey, are you lot still replying to Moy/Jools ?

You still think he is posting up an argument in favour of rightie sht ?

He is not, he is posting up what he knows so many in here will fall for

stop wasting your time on this troll

I think you'll find you did yourself yesterday and tuesday. 

[Yellow Fever 3,749]

6 minutes ago, horsefly said:

I think you'll find you did yourself yesterday and tuesday. 

I did wonder if this was the same PM as in the EDP on Brexit a year or so ago. Absolutely horrendous.

Very much best ignored as far as possible. An embarrassment to all Brits!

[kick it off 1,948]

1 hour ago, paul moy said:

So 15 billion annually plus the loss of industries such as fishing and those subsidised by the EU to move from the UK to EUtopia, and the exporting of their unemployed etc to abuse our welfare state and goodwill is low cost........ typical socialist remoaner !!  🤗

Brexit has in just 4 years, already cost us almost the same amount as we paid in the 47 years of EU membership. Comparitively, the EU was low cost. Migrants were net £5billion contributors to the economy prior to Brexit so no dice there either. Can you genuinely read? This stuff isn't hard to find.

[Yellow Fever 3,749]

4 minutes ago, kick it off said:

Brexit has in just 4 years, already cost us almost the same amount as we paid in the 47 years of EU membership. Comparitively, the EU was low cost. Migrants were net £5billion contributors to the economy prior to Brexit so no dice there either. Can you genuinely read? This stuff isn't hard to find.

As they say KIO you can take horse to water but you can't make it drink. 

Alternatively, the old priest saying "Give me the child and I will give you the man".

In short many have been so imbued with the anti-Eu rhetoric that they can't tell fact from fiction. Same as in the USA or any religion. Haven't got the smarts to rise above their emotions or breeding.

It's always a romantic dream to be fully independent - Cornwall, even Norfolk (oddly I once read in the 70s that it was the only English county that could of made a go of it  - Luxembourg size, had gas, food, capital etc). Then for most of us reality intrudes. 

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

50 minutes ago, Bill said:

Blimey, are you lot still replying to Moy/Jools ?

You still think he is posting up an argument in favour of rightie sht ?

He is not, he is posting up what he knows so many in here will fall for

stop wasting your time on this troll

😀 Sadly you are right, although I wouldn't actually accuse Moy, Jools, or Swindon for that matter, of ever actually posting an argument as such; I don't think that copying and pasting fake news, or Moy's delusional rants constitute anything resembling discussion or argument, it is as you say just plain old trolling and a complete waste of time responding to it as they have no interest in facts, logic or reason.

Even so just every once in a while its quite therapeutic to call them out as the idiots they so patently are, although what they get out of it I've really no idea 😂

[Bill 1,788]

3 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

😀 Sadly you are right, although I wouldn't actually accuse Moy, Jools, or Swindon for that matter, of ever actually posting an argument as such; I don't think that copying and pasting fake news, or Moy's delusional rants constitute anything resembling discussion or argument, it is as you say just plain old trolling and a complete waste of time responding to it as they have no interest in facts, logic or reason.

Even so just every once in a while its quite therapeutic to call them out as the idiots they so patently are, although what they get out of it I've really no idea 😂

The difference is Swindo really is that thick - the other bloke is just a troll who spends all his waking hours on here under one name or the other

The only way he can get a response is to post up stuff he himself knows are a lie but also knows that some will regularly fall for it.

[Icecream Snow 761]

Was reading this article. If you've ever had business dealing with customs officials worldwide, they are the most pedantic, officious individuals on the planet. My company deals with shipping spare parts for a well known household manufacturing name into the US, and the vast majority of times everything goes smoothly (a Customs Broker gets paid to help the goods into the country and deal with any paperwork). But when it doesn't US Customs operate a three strikes policy which has meant six figure shipments on very rare occasions being sent back to the UK on the tiniest of technicalities.

Always found it strange that some people were cheering leaving the "bureaucracy of the EU" unaware of what Customs paperwork is like.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55735980

He says new systems brought in since the turn of the year are the cause of the hold-ups. "We are having to produce a load more new documents that go with the produce.

"Every detail is being analysed on these forms by border officials [in the EU]. If the destination doesn't agree with every little point, or the wording is wrong, they are not accepting the stuff and it causes products to get stuck."

[Well b back 3,190]

4 hours ago, paul moy said:

Indeed, they actually have received more, not least due to COVID  🤗😎

As mentioned before he specifically said after we leave ( Jan 2021 ) the money would be available, so please could you provide a link where he changed it ?. I suppose he said should, a term regularly used by Trump to deliver misleading or untruthful information.

"As and when the cash becomes available – and it won’t until we leave – the NHS should be at the very top of the list."

[Well b back 3,190]

Claims that Biden supports the Irish view on Brexit, hope that doesn’t mean our oven ready trade deal with the US is in jeopardy?
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55753666

[Yellow Fever 3,749]

1 minute ago, Icecream Snow said:

Was reading this article. If you've ever had business dealing with customs officials worldwide, they are the most pedantic, officious individuals on the planet. My company deals with shipping spare parts for a well known household manufacturing name into the US, and the vast majority of times everything goes smoothly (a Customs Broker gets paid to help the goods into the country and deal with any paperwork). But when it doesn't US Customs operate a three strikes policy which has meant six figure shipments on very rare occasions being sent back to the UK on the tiniest of technicalities.

Always found it strange that some people were cheering leaving the "bureaucracy of the EU" unaware of what Customs paperwork is like.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55735980

He says new systems brought in since the turn of the year are the cause of the hold-ups. "We are having to produce a load more new documents that go with the produce.

"Every detail is being analysed on these forms by border officials [in the EU]. If the destination doesn't agree with every little point, or the wording is wrong, they are not accepting the stuff and it causes products to get stuck."

Same page ICS!

I have many a funny story of the US but for another day (the Harmonised tariff codes are never quite harmonised) let alone all the different standards. Something has just taken about 3 weeks to 'clear' into San Diego! 

To be fair all the UK HMRC staff l talk too are very helpful, understanding, hair falling out about the Brexit nonsense and do their best to help out and advise. But the rules are the rules. LOCs are much the same !

It amazes me how so many on here and our politicians seem to dismiss customs procedures as 'teething issues'. Clearly they don't have a skooby. Total ignorance as to how trade works. Perhaps if we introduced the same complexity (plus bonds and guarantees) to get their benefits and pensions they might wake up! 

[Bill 1,788]

30 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

It's always a romantic dream to be fully independent - Cornwall, even Norfolk (oddly I once read in the 70s that it was the only English county that could of made a go of it  - Luxembourg size, had gas, food, capital etc). Then for most of us reality intrudes. 

Or do you mean fully self sufficient

No country has been fully independent, nor can be, as the requirements of trade dictate otherwise.

How could a country stand outside of agreements regarding air travel or global shipping.

When there is so much activity th=then there will always be s need for agreements that come about through co-operation and integration.

How well would Norfolk fair if it took a Brexiteers view on things ?

Border checks on roads going out if the county. Vet inspections within farms that straddle the borders. Tariffs on goods moving between adjoining counties. USAAF Lakenheath having a huge part if it converted into a lorry park waiting to be cleared to leave Norfolk, Breydon Water to be divided so different boating regulations applied,

Such nonsense would be ridiculed and laughed out of town were it to even be suggested. But in the loony world if brexiteers it has now been imposed upon decent folk

Any wonder it is already fcking up so much of the UK within a few days

[Well b back 3,190]

Another company going to pay their taxes to The Netherlands rather than the U.K. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-55723672

[Bill 1,788]

2 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

It amazes me how so many on here and our politicians seem to dismiss customs procedures as 'teething issues'. Clearly they don't have a skooby. Total ignorance as to how trade works. Perhaps if we introduced the same complexity (plus bonds and guarantees) to get their benefits and pensions they might wake up! 

The reality is that brexiteers have spent years lying to themselves, and the politicians involved have also spent years lying to the thickos. Both have too much invested to own up now.

However both are now having to come to terms with the lies, as the physical impact of their stupidity is now hitting each and everyone of them personally - see the rightwing midget whinger Roger Daltry. The halfwitted Welsh woman exporting seafood to the EU and the farmers having to sell lamb at cost' price.

This can be seen in Syria where similar halfwits are beginning to grasp that they fcked up their lives believing that a bunch of odious Saudis were not simply using them as useful idiots in their trade war with the west over oil. Thousands are dead and thoussnds are crammed into prison camps..................for what, as far as they are concerned.

[paul moy 235]

1 hour ago, kick it off said:

Brexit has in just 4 years, already cost us almost the same amount as we paid in the 47 years of EU membership. Comparitively, the EU was low cost. Migrants were net £5billion contributors to the economy prior to Brexit so no dice there either. Can you genuinely read? This stuff isn't hard to find.

Indeed, because remoaners kept us umbilically attached so we could not leave until we had yet another vote. Blame yourselves...🤗

[SwindonCanary 455]

49 minutes ago, Bill said:

The difference is Swindon really is that thick - the other bloke is just a troll who spends all his waking hours on here under one name or the other

Thick ? At least I always believed we would leave the EU where as you got it totally wrong who's thick now ?

[Herman 9,717]

It's still you.

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

30 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Thick ? At least I always believed we would leave the EU where as you got it totally wrong who's thick now ?

Yes, you were right about that. Congratulations. But what rather diminishes that success is that you thought Brexit was a good idea.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

3 hours ago, paul moy said:

........exactly why we simply had to leave the incredibly bureaucratic, protectionist and expensive EU dictatorship in order to expand and trade freely with the rest of the world.

If only we had someone who could negotiate eh Paul? Same person who negotiated the withdrawal agreement?

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

54 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Indeed, because remoaners kept us umbilically attached so we could not leave until we had yet another vote. Blame yourselves...🤗

For the deal Tessie negotiated that the ERG kept voting against for months until they sent the same deal back for the last time and called its Boris deal.

Typical leaver really. Moan, moan about others but not the nous to come up with something better or different.

Which is basically your limit. Just keep coming out with our hatred of France.

Edited January 21, 2021 by keelansgrandad

[horsefly 4,287]

58 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Indeed, because remoaners kept us umbilically attached so we could not leave until we had yet another vote. Blame yourselves...🤗

Get your facts straight dumbo. The Tories had a majority in May's first PM'ship. It was rebel Tories in the ERG that prevented a Brexit deal being done. FFS just do some reading.

[SwindonCanary 455]

Ireland have been band from getting the Astra Oxford jab by the EU ,  petty or what ?  

Edited January 21, 2021 by SwindonCanary