Google Bot 3,847 Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) I really liked Dimi and thought he was a player that would grow, yet he still switches off terribly when defending which can make the CB's look like fools when there's an unmarked runner coming in behind to score. As great as it is to have attacking fullbacks, we need better defensive minded players who can pass, and then put more trust into our wide players to deliver. This is my main concern with Bali Mumba. I think Webber is very much biased towards players of flair and as such he could become another example of exposed CBs if we're not careful. When we've got a leak at the sides through players like Dimi and Max at times getting caught, plus no defensive midfield cover, it's a recipe for disaster.  I just don't think these types of player greatly excite Webber which is why they've always been a second thought, we need to make them a priority (imo). Edited May 17, 2023 by Google Bot 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 8,644 Posted May 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, Google Bot said: I really liked Dimi and thought he was a player that would grow, yet he still switches off terribly when defending which can make the CB's look like fools when there's an unmarked runner coming in behind to score. As great as it is to have attacking fullbacks, we need better defensive minded players who can pass, and then put more trust into our wide players to deliver. This is my main concern with Bali Mumba. I think Webber is very much biased towards players of flair and as such he could become another example of exposed CBs if we're not careful. When we've got a leak at the sides through players like Dimi and Max at times getting caught, plus no defensive midfield cover, it's a recipe for disaster.  I just don't think these types of player greatly excite Webber which is why they've always been a second thought, we need to make them a priority (imo). You can mitigate that to an extent with a proper defensive midfielder though. Ideally, if your fullbacks bomb on then you're DM can drop deeper and let the central defenders split wider so we're not so exposed to a counter attack. Honestly, get the DM signing right and a lot of other things can fall into place. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,847 Posted May 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, king canary said: Ideally, if your fullbacks bomb on then you're DM can drop deeper and let the central defenders split wider so we're not so exposed to a counter attack. That's concentrating on the attack still, my point is that we should focus on the basics of defending our goal and then build on that with trust in the attacking options, and drop this dual purpose desire. But seems we're constantly chasing players of flair nowadays, which leaves us light on overall balance. We get undone with runners behind the CB's so many times across a season, Dimi being one of the prime offenders. A hard working CDM will help with many areas, but it won't address that, only a fullback focused on his defensive duties will. Consider the defensive players brought in last season.: Kabak was hell bent on running on the pitch like a steam train - very little focus on core defensive duties, Gilmour who's more like a deep lying Wes Hoolahan - far too lightweight, and Normann you could distract with a mirror - was obsessed with himself and barely able to stay fit. We all know we need a Skipp replacement, but my point is that we seem generally unwilling to invest into less exciting players. And it's something that Webber needs to address. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muffles 8 Posted May 17, 2023 Ravel Morrison seen in Morrison's Car Park anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,882 Posted May 17, 2023 Says a lot about him if he's happy to live and work in Russia but each to their own I guess. Get rid.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barham Blitz 839 Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, king canary said: You can mitigate that to an extent with a proper defensive midfielder though. Ideally, if your fullbacks bomb on then you're DM can drop deeper and let the central defenders split wider so we're not so exposed to a counter attack. Honestly, get the DM signing right and a lot of other things can fall into place. This is true when we have midfielders playing a sort of inside forward role in a 4-2-3-1 a la Emi and Cantwell and with a double pivot but not so much when we play wingers or forwards wide in a 4-3-3 IMO. We just end up with a massive hole in midfield when we get countered. It's the root cause of my frustration with our obsession with both over the last two seasons. I don't like 4-3-3 but if we are going to play it the central midfield 3 - not just the single pivot CDM - need to be fair more disciplined and aware than they have been defensively so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,847 Posted May 17, 2023 48 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said: Says a lot about him if he's happy to live and work in Russia Or does it say a lot about us?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nora's Ghost 157 Posted May 17, 2023 22 hours ago, hogesar said: I shouldn't really entertain an Ipswich fan but I presume you didn't follow our transfer windows in our last two title wins? They weren't that long ago. 2 and 4 years ago. It was far more recent than...I don't know...the last time Ipswich beat us. Easily led aren't you? Â Maybe you will attain adulthood one day and see the world as it really is and not like the education system brainwashed you into believing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Green Army 248 Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Capt. Pants said: Says a lot about him if he's happy to live and work in Russia but each to their own I guess. Get rid.  He hasn’t said he is happy to do that. You are! Just transfer rumours suggesting Russian clubs are interested in him. Nothing to do with Dimi himself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 10,536 Posted May 17, 2023 49 minutes ago, Nora's Ghost said: Easily led aren't you?  Maybe you will attain adulthood one day and see the world as it really is and not like the education system brainwashed you into believing. I'm pleased 2019 gave you that nice woke word you love to use but you should really understand the apparent meaning of it. Using it on a forum repeatedly to label an entire fanbase is no different to me making the natural assumption you're a racist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nora's Ghost 157 Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, hogesar said: I'm pleased 2019 gave you that nice woke word you love to use but you should really understand the apparent meaning of it. Using it on a forum repeatedly to label an entire fanbase is no different to me making the natural assumption you're a racist. Yup... brainwashed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 7,254 Posted May 17, 2023 Dimi's one I wouldn't mind see going as I didn't think McCallum did too badly. Depends on the offer though. As someone else said, if we got a decent fee for him and got Manning in, that would be a very nifty piece of business. I doubt we were in for McCrorie, there were notes saying that he was impressed with the facilities at the Robins. Granted, we don't have the slightest clue how other clubs go about their business, and I do know Ashton Gate had undergone a fair bit of renovating, but couldn't speak about their facilities with any import whatsoever. We do know ours are very highly regarded though. So, if McCrorie's apparently said he's keen on the facilities there, I suspect he was never really on our radar. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canario 256 Posted May 17, 2023 Am i right in seeing that alfredo morales is out of contract with Rangers? Might be a good use of our new relationship with them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Greenthumb 786 Posted May 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Nora's Ghost said: Easily led aren't you?  Maybe you will attain adulthood one day and see the world as it really is and not like the education system brainwashed you into believing. That went totally off the subject, quickly! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,424 Posted May 17, 2023 5 hours ago, TheGunnShow said: Dimi's one I wouldn't mind see going as I didn't think McCallum did too badly. Depends on the offer though. As someone else said, if we got a decent fee for him and got Manning in, that would be a very nifty piece of business. I doubt we were in for McCrorie, there were notes saying that he was impressed with the facilities at the Robins. Granted, we don't have the slightest clue how other clubs go about their business, and I do know Ashton Gate had undergone a fair bit of renovating, but couldn't speak about their facilities with any import whatsoever. We do know ours are very highly regarded though. So, if McCrorie's apparently said he's keen on the facilities there, I suspect he was never really on our radar. McCallum was awful this season but maybe he’ll grow into it  wonder if Jamal Lewis will come back on loan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,172 Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) Phil Jones is a Free Agent leaving Man Utd Webber said his injuries are behind him and he is good to go ! Edited May 17, 2023 by norfolkngood Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7HAR1980 137 Posted May 18, 2023 14 hours ago, Capt. Pants said: Says a lot about him if he's happy to live and work in Russia but each to their own I guess. Get rid.  Some people can distinguish between work, sport and politics i guess! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,614 Posted May 18, 2023 4 hours ago, 7HAR1980 said: Some people can distinguish between work, sport and politics i guess! Yes because invading a neighbouring country with an army that has committed war crimes against innocent people backed up by a mercenary army made up of previously imprisoned people for the worst crimes is appropriately described as "politics" isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7HAR1980 137 Posted May 18, 2023 53 minutes ago, Terminally Yellow said: Yes because invading a neighbouring country with an army that has committed war crimes against innocent people backed up by a mercenary army made up of previously imprisoned people for the worst crimes is appropriately described as "politics" isn't it? You are describing war. What has war got to do with work or sport? It is politics that decides to go to war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dean Coneys boots 1,497 Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Terminally Yellow said: Yes because invading a neighbouring country with an army that has committed war crimes against innocent people backed up by a mercenary army made up of previously imprisoned people for the worst crimes is appropriately described as "politics" isn't it? I abhor what Putin has done but, playing devil’s advocate , how is it different to what the West did in Iraq under the pretence of WMD? Didn’t America willingly arm and create ISIS to terrorise the Middle East? The first thing western troops did was to ring fence, plunder and protect oil fields. Should players sign for teams in USA and UK? After all the Russia situation is far more akin to Northern Ireland debate given that Kiev was certainly Russian for centuries. War is dirty and a stance needs to be taking where invasion occurs but I struggle to believe narratives of goodies and baddies in a world where God has been abandoned and most governments are as seedy and dirty as each other. Leave politics out of sport is my stance and this includes the irritating gesture politics like taking knees and rainbow laces. play the game and let it be a force for peace and bringing together people of widely different beliefs and politics. Edited May 18, 2023 by Dean Coneys boots 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry53 229 Posted May 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said: I abhor what Putin has done but, playing devil’s advocate , how is it different to what the West did in Iraq under the pretence of WMD? Didn’t America willingly arm and create ISIS to terrorise the Middle East? The first thing western troops did was to ring fence, plunder and protect oil fields. Should players sign for teams in USA and UK? After all the Russia situation is far more akin to Northern Ireland debate given that Kiev was certainly Russian for centuries. War is dirty and a stance needs to be taking where invasion occurs but I struggle to believe narratives of goodies and baddies in a world where God has been abandoned and most governments are as seedy and dirty as each other. Leave politics out of sport is my stance and this includes the irritating gesture politics like taking knees and rainbow laces. play the game and let it be a force for peace and bringing together people of widely different beliefs and politics. I have to agree about taking the knee comment. It's ridiculous players are still doing it, are they still going to be doing it in 10 years? As you said, next they will be wearing Ukraine coloured armbands and rainbow boot laces. Whatever is next? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 2,158 Posted May 18, 2023 Ignoring the moral stance for a moment, why go to play in a country where you wouldn't necessarily feel safe or where you didn't trust in the legal system to protect you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,577 Posted May 18, 2023 Dimi links to Russian clubs seems strange to me. Why are PinkUn seemingly pushing it too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,577 Posted May 18, 2023 Thought Dimi was class in out 2021 title win. System worked perfectly or him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7HAR1980 137 Posted May 18, 2023 4 hours ago, canarybubbles said: Ignoring the moral stance for a moment, why go to play in a country where you wouldn't necessarily feel safe or where you didn't trust in the legal system to protect you? What makes you think anyone wouldn't feel safe and the legal system wouldn't protect you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yellowrider120 896 Posted May 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Dean Coneys boots said: I abhor what Putin has done but, playing devil’s advocate , how is it different to what the West did in Iraq under the pretence of WMD? Didn’t America willingly arm and create ISIS to terrorise the Middle East? The first thing western troops did was to ring fence, plunder and protect oil fields. Should players sign for teams in USA and UK? After all the Russia situation is far more akin to Northern Ireland debate given that Kiev was certainly Russian for centuries. War is dirty and a stance needs to be taking where invasion occurs but I struggle to believe narratives of goodies and baddies in a world where God has been abandoned and most governments are as seedy and dirty as each other. Leave politics out of sport is my stance and this includes the irritating gesture politics like taking knees and rainbow laces. play the game and let it be a force for peace and bringing together people of widely different beliefs and politics. Totally agree. That gesture is way past it's sell by date.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 8,644 Posted May 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, 7HAR1980 said: What makes you think anyone wouldn't feel safe and the legal system wouldn't protect you? My brother lived in Russia for a couple of years, the police there are dodgy as hell. I remember ex Birmingham striker Garry O'Connor moved to a Russian team and talked about how often he got shaken down by Russian cops for bribes. "The police will stop you for a random check," said O'Connor, "and say there is something wrong with your paperwork. You have to give them money to get the documents back. If you don't, they take the documents to the police station and, when you drive away, they phone their mate down the road. He'll stop you and ask for your documents and you have nothing so you have to pay. I paid loads of money to the police. It's totally corrupt." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NFN FC 1,142 Posted May 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Dean Coneys boots said: I abhor what Putin has done but, playing devil’s advocate , how is it different to what the West did in Iraq under the pretence of WMD? Didn’t America willingly arm and create ISIS to terrorise the Middle East? The first thing western troops did was to ring fence, plunder and protect oil fields. Should players sign for teams in USA and UK? After all the Russia situation is far more akin to Northern Ireland debate given that Kiev was certainly Russian for centuries. War is dirty and a stance needs to be taking where invasion occurs but I struggle to believe narratives of goodies and baddies in a world where God has been abandoned and most governments are as seedy and dirty as each other. Leave politics out of sport is my stance and this includes the irritating gesture politics like taking knees and rainbow laces. play the game and let it be a force for peace and bringing together people of widely different beliefs and politics. By that logic, it would be fine for the UK to invade a third of the world as we once controlled it. The world was certainly a nicer place when everyone believed in god. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danke bitte 1,147 Posted May 18, 2023 Soz gents, but there’s potential for this thread to go off down a route akin to the Brexit one a few years ago and it’s primarily meant for NCFC transfer news. If it’s world current affairs chat you’re after might be good to continue the discussion in another thread. Not knocking the viewpoints but I want to know about nuggets and rumours of transfer news. 8 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 457 Posted May 18, 2023 One we missed out on was Mark Robins as manager they are in the play-off final ! Coventry v Luton: Championship play-off final 'one for the romantics' - Mark Robins - BBC Sport Share this post Link to post Share on other sites