For the future 65 Posted January 12, 2022 What is going on at this club we need to win this game not lose with a heavy defeatĀ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,718 Posted January 12, 2022 Says who? Ā And we are losing regardless of what formation we play. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thumbbass 318 Posted January 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, For the future said: What is going on at this club we need to win this game not lose with a heavy defeatĀ Think you've misunderstood what the formation means. The '3 at the back' simply refers to the 3 centre backs. There will also be 2 wingbacks, so it's really 5 at the back, and probably 9 at the back without the ball.Ā Despite other's protestation, it's a good shout for us and has worked previously. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thumbbass 318 Posted January 12, 2022 28 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Says who? https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city/ncfc-consider-three-at-the-back-against-whufc-8614966 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,234 Posted January 12, 2022 It should be a consideration due to the state of our midfield. The fewer of them we play the better imo. Ā 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Fred 526 Posted January 12, 2022 Why 2 threads are you from Cambridgeshire ?Ā 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted January 12, 2022 Smith knows what he's doing, if he thinks 3 at then back will work ,he should try it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badger 2,405 Posted January 12, 2022 35 minutes ago, For the future said: What is going on at this club we need to win this game not lose with a heavy defeatĀ So teams that play three at the back are not trying to win?Ā š„“ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,718 Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Uncle Fred said: Why 2 threads are you from Cambridgeshire ?Ā I love being famous Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted January 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Smith knows what he's doing, if he thinks 3 at then back will work ,he should try it. But should he give the opposition the heads up? Or.... is it a bluff? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Petriix 2,835 Posted January 12, 2022 I massively prefer two defensive midfielders. One of them can always drop between the centre backs if required. We typically get overrun in midfield so tightening up that area would be more prudent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sooty57 403 Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Petriix said: I massively prefer two defensive midfielders.Ā If only we had two fit/effective defensive midfielders 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channonās Windmill 326 Posted January 12, 2022 If itās 5 across the back, which I get due to our dreadful midfield, then itās Pukki I feel sorry for. Isolated and feeding on scraps unless there is a cunning plan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,657 Posted January 12, 2022 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 areĀ pretty common -Ā pretty sure most sides have used at CR this season. Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nora's Ghost 157 Posted January 12, 2022 Three Defenders plus a couple of Luton vans at the back and go for a 0-0 draw. Ā Forget about scoring at the other end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nora's Ghost 157 Posted January 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: I love being famous I don't find you irritating at all Cambridge. Ā Saves me bothering with the Pinkun main page in fact. Ā Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,672 Posted January 12, 2022 I'm not sure how 3 at the back stops us from being able to win. Typically it's been the fact we're not very good rather than formation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andyc24_uk 59 Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) We need to create more chances and the midfield simply aren't good enough to do so; so using the wide areas more effectively is the only option we really have. We also have players who we know are capable in getting forward and supplying pressure from wide in Aarons and Giannoulis, but who are both suspect at getting back and defending. This seems like a very sensible move TBH. Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Krul Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Hanley Ā Ā Kabak Ā Ā Gibson Aarons Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Sorenson Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Giannoulis Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā McLean Ā Ā Ā Ā Placheta Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Rashica Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā PukkiĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Bench: Gunn, Byram, Williams, Lees-Melou, Tzolis, Dowell, Cantwell, Idah This won't happen of course, because DS seems to dislike Giannoulis for whatever reason; but I'd like to see it. If we're not going to go on the offensive we're going to get crushed yet again. Placheta, for his technical faults, offers paceĀ and unpredictability which we desperately need, so I'd gamble on him over Cantwell or Dowell. Sargent probably needs to be left at Colney with someone who can explain to him technical concepts like what a football is and how to stand up. Edited January 12, 2022 by andyc24_uk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,984 Posted January 12, 2022 West Ham will be the first team down in any neutrals accumulator tonight and quite rightly so.Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisr1606 4 Posted January 12, 2022 I'm interested to see if Smith still sets us out high up the pitch with West ham able to hit us on the counter with Antonio. I can't face him scoring another bucket full of goals against us.Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,275 Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, hogesar said: I'm not sure how 3 at the back stops us from being able to win. Typically it's been the fact we're not very good rather than formation. The only goal I can remember with 3 at the back was against Leeds. We managed draws against Burnley and Brighton under Farke playing the 3, and I thought it looked promising.Ā But in hindsight, they were games we should've stepped it up and took 3 points from at least one of them. As you say, predominately it's us being sub standard - but we need to bringing out more creativity and attacking flair, playing 3 has shown statistically this season to cripple our ability to score.Ā Unless you can think of another goal outside the Leeds one? - Oma being on the pitch a big plus there obviously! Edited January 12, 2022 by Google Bot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thumbbass 318 Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Google Bot said: We managed draws against Burnley and Brighton under Farke playing the 3, and I thought it looked promising.Ā But in hindsight, they were games we should've stepped it up and took 3 points from at least one of them. We had the chances in the Brighton game. We weren't clinical though, least said soonest mended and all that. Importantly we didn't concede in either of those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,534 Posted January 12, 2022 I think the relevant point here is that West Ham have had poorer results this season against this set up. Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,275 Posted January 12, 2022 Just now, Thumbbass said: Importantly we didn't concede in either of those. We're discussing on whether it stops us from being able to win though, the defensive side of 3 of the back should have clear and obvious improvements defensively (minus the 7-0 vs Chelsea of course). And I can't think of a single goal we've scored in and aroundĀ that formation other than the Leeds corner.Ā Yes we drew two games that we could've won - but is that not demonstrating lack of attacking presence with the 3?!Ā Ā Almost playing devils advocate here, as I'm not against 3 at the back as a system, as agree that it doesn't mean you can't win or attack well. However, in our case we need to be going at teams and giving it a go with our pacier, tricky players and exploiting space for Pukki.Ā Playing 3 CB's so far has further dampened that for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,141 Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said: I love being famous I knew it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walcombe canary 69 Posted January 12, 2022 Dean Smith - Playing the same formation, he will getĀ moaned at. Trying a different formation, it would appear, he gets moaned at. Selecting different players, He gets moaned at. Oh - For those new signings. Good Luck tonight Norwich. OTBC 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,234 Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, andyc24_uk said: We need to create more chances and the midfield simply aren't good enough to do so; so using the wide areas more effectively is the only option we really have. We also have players who we know are capable in getting forward and supplying pressure from wide in Aarons and Giannoulis, but who are both suspect at getting back and defending. This seems like a very sensible move TBH. Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Krul Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Hanley Ā Ā Kabak Ā Ā Gibson Aarons Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Sorenson Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Giannoulis Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā McLean Ā Ā Ā Ā Placheta Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Rashica Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā PukkiĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Bench: Gunn, Byram, Williams, Lees-Melou, Tzolis, Dowell, Cantwell, Idah This won't happen of course, because DS seems to dislike Giannoulis for whatever reason; but I'd like to see it. If we're not going to go on the offensive we're going to get crushed yet again. Placheta, for his technical faults, offers paceĀ and unpredictability which we desperately need, so I'd gamble on him over Cantwell or Dowell. Sargent probably needs to be left at Colney with someone who can explain to him technical concepts like what a football is and how to stand up. I think we saw an exampleĀ against Charlton of why two managers are hot andĀ cold on Giannoulis, he was woeful and Williams made a big difference. As a wing back though I think heād be more effective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,534 Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Monty13 said: I think we saw an exampleĀ against Charlton of why two managers are hot andĀ cold on Giannoulis, he was woeful and Williams made a big difference. As a wing back though I think heād be more effective. These two craze me a bit! They both seem to put in a blinding performance to win the shirt followed by an abysmal effort to lose it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,751 Posted January 12, 2022 Thought the 2nd half at charlton provided a 'glimpse' on what might be a good pukki/rashica partnership This formation might help that? Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Krul Aarons Kabak Hanley Gibson Williams Ā Ā Ā Ā Lees-MelouĀ Sorenson McLean Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā RashicaĀ Ā Ā Ā Pukki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZLF 274 Posted January 12, 2022 I think I would go a 343 variation - Dimi & Williams is the only question mark at the back, with Dimi a very marginal preference.Ā Up front I would sit Rashica and Placheta off Pukki as our best chance of hitting on the break. Ā That leaves the problem area of the two CMs,Ā PLM, JS or KM;Ā given a primarily defensive briefĀ I would say probably the latter two - but no combination fills with with confidence in their competence.Ā PLM is the best going forward but poor defensively, KM simply out of his depth and JS pace is the achilles heel.Ā Ā An option could be to start Byram there;Ā clearly still building match fitness but good in the air which seems to have been enough to keep kenny starting week in week out.Ā Ā He can hardly be worse than the options given Rupp, Normann & Gilmours absence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
