lake district canary 4,531 Posted January 18, 2020 Must be gutted at the moment, takes weeks to get fit, then does a needless heavy challenge to mean missing three more games. I think he realised he was out of position and had to make sure the Bn'mth player didn't get past him. A tad unlucky to catch him like that because it wasn't intentional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted January 18, 2020 Oh well at least he'l be properly fit when he's available again. Main issues for me today were the tendency to always pass sideways or back, and not converting chances. Can and must do better. Happy for the win of course, hopefully getting it will help address those two issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted January 18, 2020 He may well be gutted, but it was a silly challenge. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirsty Lizard 3,165 Posted January 18, 2020 I can never remember how these things work nowadays, but I'm hoping that one of the three games he'll be suspended for is the FA Cup game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,820 Posted January 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Thirsty Lizard said: I can never remember how these things work nowadays, but I'm hoping that one of the three games he'll be suspended for is the FA Cup game. It is. I'm on the fence about the challenge. On the one hand, it was just mistimed and he didn't mean to injure the opponent, and it may have been a result of fatigue and ring rust. But on the other hand, it was a silly challenge to make in the first place, a clear red card, and he put us in a difficult situation by leaving us a man light. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted January 18, 2020 If he had made the challenge just outside our box in desperation I could understand it but it was 60 yards from our goal. Bad decision and now we end up with two CB's again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,359 Posted January 18, 2020 Silly challenge all round, high, late, studs showing and in a totally “nothing” area of the pitch. Silly boy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowhammer 86 Posted January 18, 2020 That’s why I can’t understand farke saying we don’t need to get in a centre half yet again we will be short 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted January 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Yellowhammer said: That’s why I can’t understand farke saying we don’t need to get in a centre half yet again we will be short Did he repeat this sentiment after the Godfrey dismissal? Ben’s only out for 2 league games, and Farke is privy to knowledge that we aren’t regarding Klose - he could well be back sooner than we think. I am very much of the opinion that Timm is the best CB we have, and crucially, offers something our CB’s are not renowned for this season - the aerial ability to defend a set piece whilst also offering a goal threat at the other end. Have always thought that, weirdly, he is far more suited to Premier League football than Championship. As it happens, the dismissal might not be a bad thing. This maybe controversial, but in all honesty, as good as Ben is (and what a prospect he is, no doubt), I thought we actually looked slightly shakier at the back again with Hanley benched. Bar the Man Utd game, we’ve not been battered for a long time since Hanley and Zimbo started playing together. Maybe that’s no coincidence? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bristol Nest 513 Posted January 19, 2020 Why assume that it was not intentional? It was a horrible challenge that was deserving of a red card. It could have broken the players' ankle. We won despite Godfrey and are now back to just two fit centre backs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,317 Posted January 19, 2020 They need to move the pitch side monitor away from the away dugout. In this instance I can’t say it made any difference to the outcome but it clearly could. There were several Bournemouth coaches watching the replays with the ref and making comments as he viewed it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,753 Posted January 19, 2020 Man United aside ...the goals we've let in over the previous couple of months from open play have actually been quite minimal....a coincidence that this has coincided with Godfrey's injury???!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,234 Posted January 19, 2020 The point is we are now down to 2 fit CHs and both will have to play in the cup unless Amadou is brought back in assuming he's not injured. A vital away game coming up against Newcastle where we simply afford a weakened team. Poor from Godfrey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peanuts 150 Posted January 19, 2020 6 hours ago, Alex Moss said: As it happens, the dismissal might not be a bad thing. This maybe controversial, but in all honesty, as good as Ben is (and what a prospect he is, no doubt), I thought we actually looked slightly shakier at the back again with Hanley benched. Bar the Man Utd game, we’ve not been battered for a long time since Hanley and Zimbo started playing together. Maybe that’s no coincidence? For all his natural attributes and technical ability, Ben's lack of experience as a defender has been exposed a few times this season. Of course not having a regular partner earlier in the season hasn't helped, but I think he looked far better against a lower standard of opposition last season when his athleticism and technique could compensate for sometimes poor positioning or decision making. He still has a lot of potential for improvement though and would benefit from an experienced head like Klose or dare I say it Hanley alongside him. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,502 Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, The Bristol Nest said: Why assume that it was not intentional? It was a horrible challenge that was deserving of a red card. It could have broken the players' ankle. We won despite Godfrey and are now back to just two fit centre backs. Do you think he was trying to break the player's ankle then? To get red carded & sent off? Very few players are that vicious. Aside from Roy Keane none spring to mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,234 Posted January 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Peanuts said: For all his natural attributes and technical ability, Ben's lack of experience as a defender has been exposed a few times this season. Of course not having a regular partner earlier in the season hasn't helped, but I think he looked far better against a lower standard of opposition last season when his athleticism and technique could compensate for sometimes poor positioning or decision making. He still has a lot of potential for improvement though and would benefit from an experienced head like Klose or dare I say it Hanley alongside him. Agree, plus it may have knocked a few million off his transfer value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Foggo 1,116 Posted January 19, 2020 Stupid challenge straight red. If you want to be a £30m player you don't do that... Annoyingly puts us light at the back again. Hope he learns... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy_Bones 441 Posted January 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said: Stupid challenge straight red. If you want to be a £30m player you don't do that... Annoyingly puts us light at the back again. Hope he learns... Yes, because top class players never do things like that do they? Funny how players like Keane, Suarez and numerous others have done FAR worse, and it didn't stop them being well regarded... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggy 755 Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, ron obvious said: Do you think he was trying to break the player's ankle then? To get red carded & sent off? Very few players are that vicious. Aside from Roy Keane none spring to mind. I don’t think he intentionally went to injure the player, but there could well have been a bit of “oh **** he’s going to go past me, I need to stop him”, and whether that was the ball or the player it didn’t matter. As KG says, where the challenge took place, there was no need for it. Had he been turned 25 yards out, then you could understand it more as it was more desperate to stop a chance being created (although still wouldn’t excuse the recklessness of the challenge). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted January 19, 2020 56 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said: Agree, plus it may have knocked a few million off his transfer value. Good, expectations for the,lad have been blown out of all proportion, Rio fecking Ferdinand singing his praises and his u21 call up seem have hyped him beyond his current ability. Im not knocking him, he's decent, but still has a long way to go before we can say Ben Godfrey, Top defender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,408 Posted January 19, 2020 Come on, we all know why he made that challenge! Wilson had been at him all game and was winding him up good and proper. Ben lost it, forgot about VAR and thought he could land one on Wilson in a relatively innocuous part of the field, in front of their bench, to make a statement! Fine in the Chumps and below, Ben's only problem was the change in the application of VAR. Lesson learnt and another fortnight to get his focus back. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted January 19, 2020 It was a rash challenge in the heat of the moment from an excellent young player doing great things most of the time but still learning. We need to get over it and move on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rolf Harris 31 Posted January 19, 2020 Like how capoue got nothing in the Watford game and that went to var. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JF 694 Posted January 19, 2020 I wouldn’t like to say 100% but from the angle shown behind the pair it looks very bad on him and looks like he’s intentionally put one on him. Horrible challenge that could have easily broke his leg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Peanuts said: For all his natural attributes and technical ability, Ben's lack of experience as a defender has been exposed a few times this season. Of course not having a regular partner earlier in the season hasn't helped, but I think he looked far better against a lower standard of opposition last season when his athleticism and technique could compensate for sometimes poor positioning or decision making. He still has a lot of potential for improvement though and would benefit from an experienced head like Klose or dare I say it Hanley alongside him. Totally agree. Ben is a real talent for sure and will be a top CB in time, but there was a return of some flapping at the back yesterday, Krul coming under unnecessary pressure, in a way that we’d not seen since Ben and Christoph last partnered there. At the start of the season, BG and CZ looked like the first choice pairing (bearing in mind Klose was out). Hanley looked to be turned too easily imho. But we now know that Grant was carrying a groin strain throughout those games, and of course that compromised his freedom of movement. Since recovering from injury, Grant has looked pretty decent, and bar Man Utd we’ve not been smashed since his arrival back in the team. And we’ve not looked risky, at 6’s and 7’s, at the back either, something that only appeared to return to a degree in a couple of incidents yesterday. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chumino 57 Posted January 19, 2020 Very poor decision by Ben, alot to learn. Absolutely no doubt he will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wazzock 902 Posted January 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, Rolf Harris said: Like how capoue got nothing in the Watford game and that went to var. ...and the 'experts' in the studio said it wasn't a red! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rolf Harris 31 Posted January 19, 2020 Was minimum a yellow and the guy got a yellow shortly after for another late challenge. Should of easily be off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mason 47 1,379 Posted January 19, 2020 Silly challenge, and there is intent as all he was really doing in theory was a block tackle. He is definitely 'letting him know he's there' as defenders used to say. As others have said, Godfrey has great potential and as a physical athlete is really top notch. But I think it's quite clear he isn't naturalised as a centre half yet and is often the player stood looking confused as his man wheels away after scoring. He's first-choice because we know we'll have to sell in summer and more games maximises his price tag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Foggo 1,116 Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Indy_Bones said: Yes, because top class players never do things like that do they? Funny how players like Keane, Suarez and numerous others have done FAR worse, and it didn't stop them being well regarded... Normally those players do that to make a point not on the half way line with no real pressure. It was stupid and as Farke said you hope he learns. Anyway it's done move on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites