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Indy_Bones last won the day on December 29 2019

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  1. Indy_Bones

    Lukas Rupp

    Let's also not forget Javier Zanetti (one of my all-time favourite players), who's played across the whole back four, across all the midfield, and even as a right forward!
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    VAR Table

    That's my view as well Jim. Due to VAR, we've lost quite a few points we wouldn't have (and absolutely shouldn't have in 1-2 cases), and other sides have gained points they wouldn't have, leaving us at the worst end of the swing. I think most fans would be far more comfortable now if we were on 20-22 points, which doesn't leave us needing at least 2-3 wins before we're even outside the relegation zone. As to whether or not the VAR decisions are correct, it should NEVER be used for marginal offsides unless the ref/assistant have concerns and ask for a check, there's no reason it shouldn't be used to check fouls or handballs in the buildup either, and Red Card decisions should always lie with the on-field ref - unless it's a clear case of mistaken identity or similar.
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    VAR Table

    I'll just leave this here: PREMIER LEAGUE TABLE WITH AND WITHOUT VAR IN 2019-20 SEASON WITH VAR 1. Liverpool - 58 points 2. Leicester City - 45 points 3. Manchester City - 44 points 4. Chelsea - 36 points 5. Manchester United - 31 points 6. Tottenham - 30 points 7. Wolves - 30 points 8. Sheffield United - 29 points 9. Crystal Palace - 28 points 10. Arsenal - 27 points 11. Everton - 25 points 12. Southampton - 25 points 13. Newcastle United - 25 points 14. Brighton - 24 points 15. Burnley - 24 points 16. West Ham - 22 points 17. Aston Villa - 21 points 18. Bournemouth - 20 points 19. Watford - 19 points 20. Norwich City - 14 points WITHOUT VAR 1. Liverpool - 56 points 2. Manchester City - 49 points 3. Leicester City - 42 points 4. Chelsea - 36 points 5. Wolves - 34 points 6. Sheffield United - 32 points 7. Arsenal - 30 points 8. Tottenham - 29 points 9. Manchester United - 29 points 10. Everton - 28 points 11. Crystal Palace - 27 points 12. Newcastle United - 25 points 13. West Ham - 24 points 14. Burnley - 24 points 15. Aston Villa - 23 points 16. Brighton - 20 points 17. Southampton - 20 points 18. Norwich - 20 points 19. Watford - 19 points 20. Bournemouth - 17 points That's the impact VAR has had taking into account the effect on all other sides, so YES, it has had a serious detrimental effect.
  4. Indy_Bones

    VAR Table

    If you want to ignore the impact VAR has had on us, that's up to you, but even just 7 more points would put us right in the mix, rather than 6 points behind 19th...
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    VAR Table

    The points VAR has cost us leaves us bottom, so yes, it is the reason for at least 8-12 points lost.
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    VAR Table

    The whole point of VAR was to rule out Clear and Obvious Errors, and offside decisions that take 3 minutes of analysis (and often from the incorrect frame anyway) to judge that a player's armpit is 0.02cm in front of a defenders shoelace is NOT clear and obvious. As far as I'm concerned (certainly for Pukki's goal against Spurs), the ref and assistant gave the correct decision, but were overruled by VAR because the PL have insisted it checks ALL offside decisions regardless, thereby also criticising the referees/assistants ability to make these calls in the process. VAR has been awful in the most part, it's slowing the game down, ruining some great football, and in our case - costing us points unnecessarily. Why are you defending the system when almost everyone else in football is saying it's a bit of a mess at the minute?
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    Not unlucky. Not clever.

    Proven quality still guarantees nothing, it simply mitigates the chances more that the player may not fail to perform. Look at the likes of Shevchenko and Morata at Chelsea, great players who absolutely failed to perform anywhere near their previous 'proven' levels and simply cost Chelsea a lot of money and possible dropped points in the process. Janssen and Soldado at Spurs, Depay at Man Utd, the list goes on. People wrote Pukki off before last season as being a Celtic reject who'd never really performed anywhere outside Denmark, proving the exact opposite of simply going for 'proven' talent. When Champs level strikers such as Che Adams and Maupay are going for £15 mil or more, then 'proven' simply becomes 'expensive' and still not guaranteed anyway. I'd rather we continued down our current recruitment path than see us paying 50k+ per week in wages as well as a relatively hefty transfer for someone like Shane Long or Christian Benteke...
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    Part of it surely comes down to pairings rather than innate ability, and sometimes players just work better with a specific individual alongside them than another. Zimm has looked better when alongside Godfrey, almost like they play off each other's strengths better than say Hanley and Zimm together who are relatively similar types of players (certainly compared to the ball-playing Godfrey). I also think that Tettey and Vrancic just work better in the middle rather than having Tettey alongside either of Trybull or Mclean, but that doesn't make them worse players than Vrancic in the process.
  9. A lot of this was down to how much he was having to try to cover the defence, and often needing to make 'professional fouls' because of it. Tettey certainly isn't a nasty or vindictive player, but with such an unreliable defence at times, he's had to take the hit for their benefit.
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    Worst PL for years

    How many other teams have had pretty much all bar 1 of their main Centre Halves injured at the same time? City lose Laporte and people accept them conceding as he's not there, we lost Hanley, Zimm, Klose (and Godfrey playing injured) at the same time, but we should just suck it up? VAR has affected a number of teams, but it's cost us 7 points in the last 3 games alone, along with a few others earlier in the season, how many other sides can legitimately say it's already cost them between 9--12 points by the halfway stage of the season? Refs are rarely on our side for that matter either, which for example cost us last game against Spurs when they fouled TT at the other end of the pitch, nothing was given, and 20 seconds late they've scored... Yes, some mistakes have been made, but we really HAVE been on the sh**ty end of the stick for the most part, and with just the points lost in the last 3 games from VAR/Ref's, we'd be above Villa and Bournemouth and not in the relegation zone. so NO, we don't only have ourselves to blame.
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    Would love to blame VAR....

    VAR should only be used for offside if there is a possible disagreement between the ref and assistant. This auto check system is nonsense.
  12. Indy_Bones

    Would love to blame VAR....

    We've lost a possible 7 points in the last 3 matches, but clearly VAR has nothing to do with it...
  13. Indy_Bones

    The Happy New Year Match Thread

    Subs again late though, we clearly had tired legs, Palace had already made 2 changes before we even brought 1 on after 70 odd minutes...
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    The Happy New Year Match Thread

    We did get screwed, because the assistant ref called it offside, without VAR, we'd have won 1-0...
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    The Happy New Year Match Thread

    More VAR BS, against Spurs absolutely nobody called offside yet it's given due to VAR, against Palace the Lino gives offside and VAR gets involved to overrule it and yet again we get screwed. Twice in as many games VAR has f**ked us over rather than listening to the match officials, are we just going to get rid of ref's next season and let VAR call everything???? Absolute horses**t system.