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  1. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    Let's just clarify things here. It was clear to me at the time that Cameron did not want to leave, was purely holding the referendum as a PR stunt thinking it was certain that most would choose remain, and was making a strong point (call it fear if you will) that if the decision was made to leave, then we would leave (even if he was totally against himself). He probably considering this a moot point, thinking smugly that we'd never leave and that he'd managed to pacify the public by having held a 'democratic referendum', and I'd love to have seen the look on his face that morning when the results dropped in... I also took little note of the back and forth shenanigans from BOTH sides in the run up to the election as BOTH sides were guilty of either lies, deliberate fear mongering, spinning facts to suit their agendas and multiple other such nonsenses. I simply looked at the overall situation as I saw it, considered what I personally thought the ramifications would be from both decisions, and then voted based upon this. I fully expected that a referendum of such note would be taken seriously and that once the Leave decision had been made, the government would act accordingly to progress this as efficiently and sensibly as possible (which was clearly optimistic to say the least), instead of dragging their heels for 2 years whilst desperately trying NOT to go through with what the public voted for, and what they said they would do BEFORE the results were announced. As I said earlier in the thread, in my personal view it wasn't a small minority win, it was a massive win, because anyone who could not be bothered to vote (or simply didn't care either way) automatically accepts the result either way and thus their statistics have to be added onto the total of the winning side, making it well over a simple majority. Anyone who can't be ar$ed to vote has no right to complain afterwards if they are unhappy with the result, which is why I can accept Remain voters being unhappy and voicing this, but those that didn't attend the polling stations have absolutely no say here.
  2. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    Here's the video where he very clearly states that Leave does mean Leave, and it does not mean re-negotiation or a 2nd referendum:
  3. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    His statement was "Leave means Leave", I don't care if he personally was a remainer, or if his party were, that's what he said the outcome would be if we voted to leave, and that's what I voted for.
  4. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    I went along with what the PM at the time clearly stated - "Leave means Leave", that does not mean stay and keep the costs but with less powers...
  5. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    Senile at 37 - Nope Confused - Nope Liar - Nope Next...
  6. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    Probably when we won the referendum vote...
  7. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    Nope, I think they'll cut their nose off to spite their face just to keep the EU from falling apart from the consequences if they do. This is why they've hardlined negotiations, they can't afford to really budge on their position because of the fallout from the member states, which is why the only deal they've even vaguely considered allowing is the carp that May is offering which keeps us basically tied to them but without a say, anything else would be admitting we've made a fair choice to leave.
  8. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    Because that would mean admitting that our choice to leave made sense and you'd then get a number of other EU members doing the exact same thing, and the whole house of cards would collapse in on itself.
  9. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    Sorry T but that's simplistic nonsense. The EU can't simply say "It's our way or no way" and refuse sensible trading out of pure bullheadedness and lack of sense from a mutually beneficial deal. Trading means trading, NOT agreeing to follow rules and regulations that have no place in a pure trade deal. That's the problem with the current EU, it started as a 'common market', and has morphed over the years into what it is now which is very far removed from a simple trade agreement.
  10. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    I'd argue that's pure semantics Herman. Cameron was VERY clear, "LEAVE MEANS LEAVE", which is directly a 'Hard' Brexit, no still paying money for access but no say etc.
  11. Indy_Bones

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    Since when has still being tied in to EU rules, costs and regulations been seen as 'leaving'??? All a soft brexit does is put us in a worse position than we are now, without having any say in any matters on top! 'Soft' means NOT LEAVING, and that's NOT what the vote was for. There is nothing to stop us pursuing trade agreements with the EU after a 'Hard' brexit (it is in both sides best interests anyway), but we also get far more flexibility and opportunity in arranging deals with the rest of the world without being told 'No' by the EU...
  12. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    That's certainly not was suggested at the time of the original referendum, it was a simple in or out, none of this 'Soft Brexit' stuff was even vaguely discussed. I have no interest in a 'Soft' Brexit, we either leave fully, or we stay, and as the vote was to leave, then that's exactly what should happen, half measures gives us the worst of both worlds.
  13. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    Which would go completely against the referendum result by dragging proceedings out even further than they already have for no reason, and STILL not delivering Brexit as promised by Cameron. I'm certainly not going to support May's awful deal in any way, shape or form, and nor should anyone else with reason either. No deal IS better than that $hitshow...
  14. Indy_Bones

    OT - EU straw poll...

    One thing that has always bothered me about the voting numbers is that they don't incorporate non-voters into the totals. My view has always been that in a voting situation (particularly an "either or" choice as per Brexit), if you apply your democratic right not to vote, you are automatically accepting the result and your vote should be counted as part of the winning amount, because if you genuinely cared either way - you'd have voted that way wouldn't you rather than just not bothering to turn up? This would mean that the Leave voting numbers were over 30 million rather than just 17.4, which changes things somewhat, particularly when the government seems to be doing it's hardest to avoid following through with the vote result in a way which does not leave us tied to the EU for x number of years whilst still having to pay and having ZERO say in any changes...
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    Parking for Rotherham

    Nps, hope it's managed to help a few people.
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