Tiffey Boy 0 Posted September 23, 2013 He was saying the Guzan ''encroached'' before the penalty was taken, well he was certainly moving before the ball was kicked, in fact to me he was already diving to his left, so wtf didn''t Snodgrass simply put it to the other side, simples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,221 Posted September 23, 2013 The issue is the ''keeper must be on his line.When he actually "saved" the kick, he was about 2-3 yards off his line. Should have been retaken.Either way, Snoddy should never have taken it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*** 0 Posted September 23, 2013 Any excuse from the manager eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rustyboy 2 Posted September 23, 2013 It was a crap penalty, lets face it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted September 23, 2013 Poor sour grapes moan, i thought he was better than that. Guzan had one foot off his line in order to make the dive. The real person who should be getting the brunt of it should be Snodgrass (in private obviously!) It was poor professionalism from him and the least he could have done would be to take a good penalty. It was perfect height for Guzan and not far enough in the corner. RVW would have sent him the wrong way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crabbycanary 2 Posted September 23, 2013 He''s just trying to protect his player FFS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alby :) 0 Posted September 23, 2013 A friend sits in the lower Barclay.Snoddy took the ball off Ricky with the comment "You''re not f ucking have it" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barossa 0 Posted September 23, 2013 [quote user="First Wizard"]Any excuse from the manager eh?[/quote]Not really an excuse, more of a fact Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of Percy Varco 0 Posted September 23, 2013 The bigger infringement was the Villa player who cleared the rebound who was a good 2 yards inside the box when Snodgrass struck the ball. The penalty should have been re-taken because of that as keepers are always off their line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salopian 1 Posted September 23, 2013 I think that RvW should have taken it. He has a reliable shot and took them for former clubs. Snoddy''s record with free kicks is a little inconsistent in any case. RvW needs to score goals to restore his confidence More important CH apparently wanted/expected RvW to take any penalty. Had he said so to the team? Did the captain not intervene and rule on this? Is it good if there is uncertainty, and slackness which enables any player in the team to grab the ball and take the shot? I hope after this episode things are made clear to the captain and team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted September 23, 2013 There should be a reserve taker and even a third choice, but the option always goes to penalty taker number 1 until he misses one. If RVW felt a bit nervous and wanted to pass the ball on, fair enough, but Snoddy had no right to take the kick from him.Who won the penalty anyway? There''s sometimes a theme that goes round (usually at Sunday league level) that the ''winner'' of the penalty takes it (especially if he''s made enough of a meal over it!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicko 0 Posted September 23, 2013 Alby wrote: A friend sits in the lower Barclay.Snoddy took the ball off Ricky with the comment "You''re not f ucking have it"I really hope this isn''t true. Feel desperately sorry for RVW if this is the case. And utterly fuming at Snodgrass - what a complete tube. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,746 Posted September 23, 2013 Better hope tomorrow night at Watford does not go to penalties as I am struggling to see who would take them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
priceyrice 123 Posted September 23, 2013 You want your main striker to score goals whenever possible. There is nothing worse for a striker than a goal drought, so when we win a penalty the main striker should be taking it, unless he isn''t up for it. If i was Hughton i would be fuming with Snodgrass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkbroadslim 223 Posted September 23, 2013 [quote user="TIL 1010"]Better hope tomorrow night at Watford does not go to penalties as I am struggling to see who would take them.[/quote] I reckon Josh Murphy would be well up for taking one![Y] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,160 Posted September 23, 2013 Guzan was clearly well off his line so it should have been retaken, but then watching on BT it was clearly not a penalty in the first place. As for the OP''s comment that Snoddy should just have put it to the other side - every piece of advice on taking penalties I''ve read says it''s a disaster to change your mind at the last moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,087 Posted September 23, 2013 what worries me more than anything is hoots stood and watched all this happen ! one why didn''t he tell snoddy he isn''t the taker leave it to rvw 2 why didn''t he sub him straight after for disobeying club orders ? that''s what I dislike about CH tells the media after I thought / wanted RVW to take it .......fergie wouldn''t have answered that as he would still have been tearing strips off the player ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Budapest Canary 152 Posted September 23, 2013 It happened in the 6th minute. No manager subs a player as early as that unless because of injury. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Webbo118 0 Posted September 23, 2013 [quote user="Death by Chocolate Starfish"][quote user="First Wizard"]Any excuse from the manager eh?[/quote]Not really an excuse, more of a fact[/quote]How about this for a fact. A professional Manager has sent a professional team out onto the pitch not knowing who the penalty taker is. The senior player (because he has been here longer !) pulled rank. Can you imagine Ashley Young grabbing the ball off RVP as he is more senior having been at the Club longer? This episode is pathetic, reflects extremely badly on the Manager and perhaps gives an illustration of what is currently happening at the Club Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted September 23, 2013 http://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/premier_league_podcast_norwich_city_0_aston_villa_1_1_2797112and look at the picture.... Do we blame Snoddy and his petulance and ego for Saturday? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted September 23, 2013 RvW looks like the innocent little boy who''s about to get a hiding from the school bully. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JC 0 Posted September 23, 2013 For the above comment, there is very little a manager can do from 50 yards away when a player snatches the ball to take a pen. So to try to apportion blame to Hughton for not running on the pitch and laying down the law is ridiculousWith regard to the retake, it should have been, the keeper has to keep contact with the line until the ball is kicked, he is allowed to take one foot off the line as long as the other stays in contact. In the world of goal line technology, the linesperson (PC) has one job, to ensure the GK keeps contact with the line until the ball is kicked. There is no reason else for them to come closer to play. Secondly, there were about 4/5 players encroaching, this is the job of the referee to police, when one of these players is able to get the rebound (attacker or defender) it should be a retakeThe issue with penalties now is that they are not policed in the correct way and no effort is made to stop a keeper from coming off the line, by coming off the line and diving at an angle out from the goal the wide covered by the keeper will take them to almost the corners of the goal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bws Cat 0 Posted September 23, 2013 Next years kit release video leak:Snoddy-"Fancy a penalty lads?"Kids- " :D "Snoddy- "I''m taking"Kids- " :( " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Webbo118 0 Posted September 23, 2013 [quote user="JC"]For the above comment, there is very little a manager can do from 50 yards away when a player snatches the ball to take a pen. So to try to apportion blame to Hughton for not running on the pitch and laying down the law is ridiculousWith regard to the retake, it should have been, the keeper has to keep contact with the line until the ball is kicked, he is allowed to take one foot off the line as long as the other stays in contact. In the world of goal line technology, the linesperson (PC) has one job, to ensure the GK keeps contact with the line until the ball is kicked. There is no reason else for them to come closer to play. Secondly, there were about 4/5 players encroaching, this is the job of the referee to police, when one of these players is able to get the rebound (attacker or defender) it should be a retakeThe issue with penalties now is that they are not policed in the correct way and no effort is made to stop a keeper from coming off the line, by coming off the line and diving at an angle out from the goal the wide covered by the keeper will take them to almost the corners of the goal[/quote]I think you need to get real. The manager needs to send his players out with clear instructions so things like this do not happen. Clearly, the club and team captains were not aware who the designated penalty taker was as surely they would have done something about it. The whole thing smacked of amateurish incompetence and should never have happened. A clear case of if you fail to prepare you prepare to fail. Let''s hope that a painful lesson has been learnt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hannibal II 0 Posted September 24, 2013 Just seems to be clutching at straws to be honest. a professional football club should always have a dedicated penalty taker. It is discipline within the squad that they respect that role, so for Snoddy to ignore this for me shows a lack of respect for the manager and the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Houston Canary 0 Posted September 24, 2013 There was plenty of time to walk down the sideline and tell Snoddy to backoff. Or for the manager to wave frantically from his spot to get the captain''s attention and tell him to get Snoddy off the ball, if walking the sideline is not allowed. There is no acceptable reason the wrong player took the penalty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Funky Homosapien 0 Posted September 24, 2013 oh come on when have you ever seen a manager march down the touchline and shout at the penalty taker in front of 27,000. And as if other players would have stepped in, when Snodgrass picks the ball up and looks that determined then the players expect him to stick it away. It seemed very obvious to me by Hughton''s post match comments and the more recent comments today that he had selected RVW as penalty taker but Snodgrass picked up the ball instead. Hughton was never going to come out and say it straight because he wouldn''t want to look like a fool with Snodgrass paying no attention to his tactics. I can''t believe that every single negative thing that happens is immediately attributed to Hughton in one way or another. Unbelievable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dalek 0 Posted September 24, 2013 Any professional footballer from midfield to forward should be able to take a penalty comfortably. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lharman7 39 Posted September 24, 2013 [quote user="norfolkngood"]what worries me more than anything is hoots stood and watched all this happen ! one why didn''t he tell snoddy he isn''t the taker leave it to rvw 2 why didn''t he sub him straight after for disobeying club orders ? that''s what I dislike about CH tells the media after I thought / wanted RVW to take it .......fergie wouldn''t have answered that as he would still have been tearing strips off the player ! [/quote]Very much this!Shows ill discipline in players right through to management IMO! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lharman7 39 Posted September 24, 2013 [quote user="JC"]For the above comment, there is very little a manager can do from 50 yards away when a player snatches the ball to take a pen. So to try to apportion blame to Hughton for not running on the pitch and laying down the law is ridiculousWith regard to the retake, it should have been, the keeper has to keep contact with the line until the ball is kicked, he is allowed to take one foot off the line as long as the other stays in contact. In the world of goal line technology, the linesperson (PC) has one job, to ensure the GK keeps contact with the line until the ball is kicked. There is no reason else for them to come closer to play. Secondly, there were about 4/5 players encroaching, this is the job of the referee to police, when one of these players is able to get the rebound (attacker or defender) it should be a retakeThe issue with penalties now is that they are not policed in the correct way and no effort is made to stop a keeper from coming off the line, by coming off the line and diving at an angle out from the goal the wide covered by the keeper will take them to almost the corners of the goal[/quote]This is just making excuses for both the manager and the missed penalty.You can hear Hughtons voice a mile away so to say he can''t intervene from the sideline is stupid. If anything he would have called a senior player over and made him intervene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites