Naturalcynic 701 Posted October 12, 2023 So the FA have decided not to light up Wembley Arch in the colours of the Israeli flag. Is this a spineless and shameful display of fence-sitting from the governing body of our national sport, or is it a sensible and entirely appropriate move because politics has no place in sport and football should be about football? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,365 Posted October 12, 2023 Unfortunately there’s enough Hamas types over here that would probably use it as justification for a suicide bombing during the Euros or something similar. The religion of peace, obviously.🙄 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,944 Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) "Is this a spineless and shameful display of fence-sitting" All the players in the stadium will be holding a minutes silence prior to kickoff. That's not exactly fence sitting and if anything can be seen as probably the better way to not ignite tensions and respect the loss of lives of innocents on both sides. Edited October 12, 2023 by cambridgeshire canary 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,779 Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said: So the FA have decided not to light up Wembley Arch in the colours of the Israeli flag. Is this a spineless and shameful display of fence-sitting from the governing body of our national sport, or is it a sensible and entirely appropriate move because politics has no place in sport and football should be about football? Very much the latter for me, though politics and events will always be a consideration. As they are doing, it seems appropriate to have a minute of silence for what’s going on, but it’s nothing remotely like the Russia/Ukraine invasion. Edited October 12, 2023 by Branston Pickle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NFN FC 1,124 Posted October 12, 2023 Don't think they should light it up for Israel. Neither side deserves any support from the FA 11 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 6,242 Posted October 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, NFN FC said: Don't think they should light it up for Israel. Neither side deserves any support from the FA Exactly this. If it is to be lit up then both flags only, not one or the other. A minute's silence in commemoration of all victims strikes me as a much more justified, even-handed response. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,332 Posted October 12, 2023 **** Hamas, and **** the Israeli government. Absolutely inhumane actions from both of them. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,845 Posted October 12, 2023 Always seems to be some poltical situation or other everytime an England game comes round....which both the FA and Gareth Southgate seem to then have to answer to? Theyre a football association....not the moral arbiters of anything and everything. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBaldOne66 733 Posted October 12, 2023 It’s the right decision, otherwise the FA are seen as taking sides with Israel and that would be so wrong and like a red rag to a bull in all honesty. Im sat here in the Middle East and right now tensions are higher than I’ve ever witnessed before because of what’s happening, so it doesn’t need anything else being done to ignite it further! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Pete 2,013 Posted October 12, 2023 I'm of the, possibly naive, view that neither side adequately represents either the Israeli people or the Palestinians. Murdering children at gunpoint or via bombing/starvation means neither side holds the moral high ground, in my opinion. 10 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duke63 565 Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) Stick the leaders of Hamas and the leaders of Israel in a locked room for a day with nothing but a pen and paper. if no one comes out alive they will have all done Palestinians and Israelis a favour ( and the rest of the world). Edited October 12, 2023 by duke63 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,835 Posted October 12, 2023 21 minutes ago, Pyro Pete said: I'm of the, possibly naive, view that neither side adequately represents either the Israeli people or the Palestinians. Murdering children at gunpoint or via bombing/starvation means neither side holds the moral high ground, in my opinion. 100% this 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pete 325 Posted October 13, 2023 FA doing right, a rare thing. However believe US throwing all their might behind Israel might backfire. Whilst we are on politics Putin and the Russians will reap the whirlwind following Ukraine war, having a very upset Ukraine over the border will see extreme terrorist action. Maybe Russia but definitely the parts of Ukraine annexed by Russia. Police asked to police those areas are leaving in droves and expect rebuilt towns to be reduced to rubble as is the rest of Ukraine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary73 185 Posted October 13, 2023 If you are going to light the arch then is has to be both Israel and Palestine to acknowledge the suffering of both. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naturalcynic 701 Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Canary73 said: If you are going to light the arch then is has to be both Israel and Palestine to acknowledge the suffering of both. Why? They didn’t light the arch in both Ukrainian and Russian colours. Edited October 13, 2023 by Naturalcynic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,680 Posted October 13, 2023 I can remember when all sports wanted to keep politics out of it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corbs1 94 Posted October 13, 2023 Perhaps the United Nations flag 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fen Canary 949 Posted October 13, 2023 If they lit the arch for every terrorist attack in the Middle East it would be changing colour every week. Also more Palestinian civilians have now been killed in the latest flare than Israeli ones, therefore picking sides would be rather stupid for the FA. A minutes silence is much more appropriate 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,926 Posted October 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Fen Canary said: If they lit the arch for every terrorist attack in the Middle East it would be changing colour every week. Also more Palestinian civilians have now been killed in the latest flare than Israeli ones, therefore picking sides would be rather stupid for the FA. A minutes silence is much more appropriate I agree with Fen. That's a weird sensation.😉 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fen Canary 949 Posted October 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, Herman said: I agree with Fen. That's a weird sensation.😉 Somebody will soon drag the debate back to Brexit somehow and normal service will be resumed don’t you worry 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S_81 929 Posted October 13, 2023 They should stick to football and shouldn’t have started a precedent. They now have to morally judge what is and isn’t worthy. It’s one of many examples of over reach of organisations in this country- who feel the necessity to virtue signal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,651 Posted October 13, 2023 21 minutes ago, Herman said: I agree with Fen. That's a weird sensation.😉 Talking about weird, on another thread Big Vince has endorsed a post of mine… 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,900 Posted October 14, 2023 12 hours ago, PurpleCanary said: Talking about weird, on another thread Big Vince has endorsed a post of mine… This forums collapsing around us... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,324 Posted October 14, 2023 On 12/10/2023 at 19:24, Creedence Clearwater Couto said: **** Hamas, and **** the Israeli government. Absolutely inhumane actions from both of them. Exactly. Our support is for the people of Gaza and the people of Israel, both of whom have been so badly let down by the warmongers who run their countries. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,324 Posted October 14, 2023 13 hours ago, PurpleCanary said: Talking about weird, on another thread Big Vince has endorsed a post of mine… And I agreed with DCB yesterday. It’s the end times! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 6,242 Posted October 14, 2023 13 hours ago, S_81 said: They should stick to football and shouldn’t have started a precedent. They now have to morally judge what is and isn’t worthy. It’s one of many examples of over reach of organisations in this country- who feel the necessity to virtue signal. They did. Hence the minute's silence for all who have died, regardless of nationality. It was the only sensible decision to make. Of course, some of the media in our country are basically trying to get special treatment for Israel again by saying their flag/colours should be on the arch. I'll agree if the Palestinian ones are as well, but you can safely bet they wouldn't agree to that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S_81 929 Posted October 14, 2023 3 hours ago, TheGunnShow said: They did. Hence the minute's silence for all who have died, regardless of nationality. It was the only sensible decision to make. Of course, some of the media in our country are basically trying to get special treatment for Israel again by saying their flag/colours should be on the arch. I'll agree if the Palestinian ones are as well, but you can safely bet they wouldn't agree to that. I agree the minute silence is appropriate. I don’t think they should ever have lit the arch up for anyone - which is my point - they started this moral precedent. Needlessly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,651 Posted October 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Nuff Said said: And I agreed with DCB yesterday. It’s the end times! Just need one more for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,324 Posted October 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said: Just need one more for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse... Big Vince to admit he’s always secretly had a crush on Delia? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,357 Posted October 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Nuff Said said: Big Vince to admit he’s always secretly had a crush on Delia? He’s her long lost son maybe, hence why he hates nephew Tom inheriting everything. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
