Reasons for Smith to stay

[Canary Jedi 611]

To be objective, what would be the reasons for Smith to stay? I can’t think of any good ones. 

[Canary dwarf 221]

Just now, Canary Jedi said:

To be objective, what would be the reasons for Smith to stay? I can’t think of any good ones. 

We would not need to give him a pay off , er that's it really !

[mrdi 411]

From a ‘reasons not to sack him’ perspective, I’d imagine the prospect of another hefty pay-out just a year after paying off Farke & Co’s 4-year contract gives the board The Fear. Not least in the immediate aftermath of the financial report. 

[cambridgeshire canary 7,804]

Facts are

 

A- "We are not a sacking club!" (Look how long it took for Farke and Neil to get the boot..)

 

B- Most managers will want double what we can afford, which doesn't help given our recent poor financial report

 

C- There really aren't any decent managers that are free and or willing to jump ship to us right now and no Dyche and Bielsa are not answers as there is more chance of me winning the lottery than them joining us

 

D- Sacking a manager this early on while still in the top six is rather rash, even if its clear things aren't 100 percent. Nevermind Webber and co's egos as we know would never want to have to sack him as that would mean they rather admiting that they made a mistake and 'got it wrong'

Edited October 19, 2022 by cambridgeshire canary

[Worthy Nigelton 1,306]

He has a proven track record in this league. We are only in October. We are sixth, not sixteenth. He has only had one transfer window where he is allowed to buy players. We have had injury problems. The players are clearly trying so he hasn't 'lost the dressing room'. He's getting a tune out Sargent. He's been prepared to drop Krul and make a big call. He can't legislate for Gibson's error. Villa are no better for sacking him. We don't want to turn into Watford. He's not completely unlikeable like Glenn Roeder. The football isn't set up to draw 0-0 and maybe nick one like Hughton. He doesn't keep talking about other teams' quality rather than our own. 

Reasons to sack him:-

He keeps picking Kenny McLean.

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

Save the £5m payout fee when we fire him?

 

Honestly outside of snide remarks about Ipswich derbies on the horizon I have nothing.

 

 

 

[Channon’s Windmill 416]

He will stay unfortunately as sacking him will force to Webber into admitting a poor managerial choice. 
So the answer is Webbers CV remains intact (unless anyone outside of the club can put up with watching 90 minutes of tripe we have been dishing up).

[Capt. Pants 5,015]

On the otherhand if Webber sacks him it shows he has been decisive. Doing nothing and letting the situation drift shows weakness, in some eyes.

The only reason to delay sacking him right this minute is that Webber needs a plan and strategy for Smith's replacement. We don't want another 2nd choice appointment like we had with him.

[TeemuVanBasten 3,328]

23 minutes ago, Canary Jedi said:

To be objective, what would be the reasons for Smith to stay? I can’t think of any good ones. 

Literally the only one I can think of is to wait for the crazy Greek chap who owns Forest to sack Cooper, but that would be reliant on him actually wanting to come here and there being no strong competition for his signature.

[GodlyOtsemobor 2,830]

He makes a hell of a cuppa 

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

I really hope that Webber and his people have a shortlist of 5 - 10 and this mornings task is putting out feelers and making contact with a few people and agents.

As pointed out we don't want another Smith so we really need to pick our man (or woman ) and appoint. 

 

[Chichcan 149]

22 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

 

C- There really aren't any decent managers that are free and or willing to jump ship to us right now and no Dyche and Bielsa are not answers as there is more chance of me winning the lottery than them joining us

 

Carlos Corberan is available

He took Huddersfield to 3rd last year, plays good football and is only 39 so plenty to prove

[yellow_belly 227]

Because… 🤔 er… well…  🧐 … he likes tea? Can’t think of any other reason.

REPLACE HIM NOW!

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

21 minutes ago, Worthy Nigelton said:

He has a proven track record in this league. We are only in October. We are sixth, not sixteenth. He has only had one transfer window where he is allowed to buy players. We have had injury problems. The players are clearly trying so he hasn't 'lost the dressing room'. He's getting a tune out Sargent. He's been prepared to drop Krul and make a big call. He can't legislate for Gibson's error. Villa are no better for sacking him. We don't want to turn into Watford. He's not completely unlikeable like Glenn Roeder. The football isn't set up to draw 0-0 and maybe nick one like Hughton. He doesn't keep talking about other teams' quality rather than our own. 

I don't disagree with any of the points you've made there, but it's still not enough to convince me that Smith can turn this boat around. Looks like we'll get to find out, though, as I can't see Webber wielding the axe until at least after the Burnley game.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,804]

3 minutes ago, GodlyOtsemobor said:

He makes a hell of a cuppa 

Dont forget hes the master of showing you how to put your hands in your pockets😉

[Jim Smith 2,610]

I struggle to think of any other than the financial upheaval of making another change.

But then i think the risks of not making a change are a slide into mediocrity so on balance still worth it. 

[Ulfotto 800]

I’ll try

Sacking Smith and his back room team will result in a less experienced manager arriving. Smith has got a team promoted and kept them there Shaky has won the premier league. The new coach won’t have this. 

Following on from the first point sacking Smith and having a big reset might not work are fans ready for seasons like 2017/2018.

I would say it’s riskier to sack Smith and appoint someone new and unproven than it is to hope Smith may guide us to the playoffs.

Edited October 19, 2022 by Ulfotto

[yellow_belly 227]

Just now, Jim Smith said:

I struggle to think of any other than the financial upheaval of making another change.

But then i think the risks of not making a change are a slide into mediocrity so on balance still worth it. 

This is reason that he still has a job. Because we can’t afford to sack him.

[hogesar 10,771]

26 minutes ago, Worthy Nigelton said:

He has a proven track record in this league. We are only in October. We are sixth, not sixteenth. He has only had one transfer window where he is allowed to buy players. We have had injury problems. The players are clearly trying so he hasn't 'lost the dressing room'. He's getting a tune out Sargent. He's been prepared to drop Krul and make a big call. He can't legislate for Gibson's error. Villa are no better for sacking him. We don't want to turn into Watford. He's not completely unlikeable like Glenn Roeder. The football isn't set up to draw 0-0 and maybe nick one like Hughton. He doesn't keep talking about other teams' quality rather than our own. 

Reasons to sack him:-

He keeps picking Kenny McLean.

Should have not bothered with Farke's two promotion seasons and sacked him for the same reason 😉

 

[The Great Mass Debater 1,202]

You have a much lower threshold than Jason Donovan. He could give you 10 good reasons to stay (or as I misheard in my youth, 10 gold pieces to stay)

Edited October 19, 2022 by The Great Mass Debater

[Worthy Nigelton 1,306]

7 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

I don't disagree with any of the points you've made there, but it's still not enough to convince me that Smith can turn this boat around. Looks like we'll get to find out, though, as I can't see Webber wielding the axe until at least after the Burnley game.

The jury is still out for sure, and he should be coming in for some stick but it's far too early to pull the trigger in my opinion. I haven't made up my mind yet either but he needs time.

[GodlyOtsemobor 2,830]

27 minutes ago, Ulfotto said:

I’ll try

Sacking Smith and his back room team will result in a less experienced manager arriving. Smith has got a team promoted and kept them there Shaky has won the premier league. The new coach won’t have this. 

Following on from the first point sacking Smith and having a big reset might not work are fans ready for seasons like 2017/2018.

I would say it’s riskier to sack Smith and appoint someone new and unproven than it is to hope Smith may guide us to the playoffs.

You have no way of knowing this. 

[The Great Mass Debater 1,202]

39 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

We don't want another 2nd choice appointment like we had with him.

Who was the first choice?

[Don’t be Krul 452]

56 minutes ago, Worthy Nigelton said:

He has a proven track record in this league. We are only in October. We are sixth, not sixteenth. He has only had one transfer window where he is allowed to buy players. We have had injury problems. The players are clearly trying so he hasn't 'lost the dressing room'. He's getting a tune out Sargent. He's been prepared to drop Krul and make a big call. He can't legislate for Gibson's error. Villa are no better for sacking him. We don't want to turn into Watford. He's not completely unlikeable like Glenn Roeder. The football isn't set up to draw 0-0 and maybe nick one like Hughton. He doesn't keep talking about other teams' quality rather than our own. 

Reasons to sack him:-

He keeps picking Kenny McLean.

Then we should keep him as McLean won't be picked for the next 3 games

[The Great Mass Debater 1,202]

36 minutes ago, Nexus_Canary said:

I really hope that Webber and his people have a shortlist of 5 - 10 and this mornings task is putting out feelers and making contact with a few people and agents.

As pointed out we don't want another Smith so we really need to pick our man (or woman ) and appoint. 

 

The big question for me is, if this is the case, what happened with the Farke sacking? The way it went down it looked like they already had Farke's replacement lined up. To then go on a protracted chase, interview Lampard and Smith and ultimately pick Smith, who only became available AFTER we sacked Farke makes me think it was knee-jerk. But then why sack him after our first win and why did the directors all look so glum like the decision had been made well ahead of the game?

All seems very weird. I forget now, but perhaps a plummer job came up which turned the heads of our primary target and left us flapping around?

All seems poor from the club

[Google Bot 3,936]

Only reason for me, is that we're still awaiting players to return from injury.  But really, he's had a much better hand to play than teams we've struggled against so even that is a little weak.

[shefcanary 2,956]

45 minutes ago, Chichcan said:

Carlos Corberan is available

He took Huddersfield to 3rd last year, plays good football and is only 39 so plenty to prove

Given Webber's MO, this is probably a likely outcome, Webber hasn't had an original idea in his career (apart from the Pukki transfer)! Even Farke's arrival was just a copy of Wagner's arrival at 'Uddersfield, which although Webber was there then was pretty much an idea from the Chair.

[Worthy Nigelton 1,306]

3 hours ago, shefcanary said:

Given Webber's MO, this is probably a likely outcome, Webber hasn't had an original idea in his career (apart from the Pukki transfer)! Even Farke's arrival was just a copy of Wagner's arrival at 'Uddersfield, which although Webber was there then was pretty much an idea from the Chair.

What about the Soccerbot?

[baldy09 199]

Reasons Smith wants to stay- is no one else will take him on 

[Inch High aka Inchy.. 417]

5 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Facts are

 

A- "We are not a sacking club!" (Look how long it took for Farke and Neil to get the boot..)

 

B- Most managers will want double what we can afford, which doesn't help given our recent poor financial report

 

C- There really aren't any decent managers that are free and or willing to jump ship to us right now and no Dyche and Bielsa are not answers as there is more chance of me winning the lottery than them joining us

 

D- Sacking a manager this early on while still in the top six is rather rash, even if its clear things aren't 100 percent. Nevermind Webber and co's egos as we know would never want to have to sack him as that would mean they rather admiting that they made a mistake and 'got it wrong'

This early on? He should have gone at the end of last season after proving he's a failure.