king canary 7,609 Posted May 27, 2022 Apparently we're talking to Brugge with a loan or permanent on the table. If true it seems we're just cutting our losses on this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,235 Posted May 27, 2022 If its a loan with an option to buy that feels pretty insane for a player we paid so much for and gave such a long contract to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,609 Posted May 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Monty13 said: If its a loan with an option to buy that feels pretty insane for a player we paid so much for and gave such a long contract to. If true I'm not sure what to think of it. In some ways, if we just don't think it'll work here for whatever reason it is better to move him on while he's still got some value. Another season on the bench here would tank it even more. On the other hand it would seem a real shame to give up on a player who seemed to have some real talent. It may be that Tzolis just hates it here and needs a fresh start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mason 47 1,384 Posted May 27, 2022 The wide areas are our clear excess going into this summer. Especially considering how Rowe + Springett have come on, I expect most of our fat loss to come from out wide. If you could trade Tzolis for a proper, effective CM, you would. We'd instantly become a better side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,235 Posted May 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, king canary said: If true I'm not sure what to think of it. In some ways, if we just don't think it'll work here for whatever reason it is better to move him on while he's still got some value. Another season on the bench here would tank it even more. On the other hand it would seem a real shame to give up on a player who seemed to have some real talent. It may be that Tzolis just hates it here and needs a fresh start. Thats pretty much the only acceptable reason for me, even though that in itself creates a bunch of questions. Otherwise how did we turn one of Europes top young talents into a player that cant contribute in the Championship? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Worthy Nigelton 1,051 Posted May 27, 2022 If he leaves this summer does he go down as our worst signing ever or is that still Naismith or RvW? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,609 Posted May 27, 2022 15 minutes ago, Worthy Nigelton said: If he leaves this summer does he go down as our worst signing ever or is that still Naismith or RvW? I think it would somewhat depend on what we get back for him. I'd image we've not paid close to the suggest £11m yet as some will be related to appearances, goals, other add ons etc. So if we manage to recoup £5-6m and it turns out we've only paid £8m then I think it'll go down as a disappointment but nowhere near Naismith level in terms of financial damage. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
repman 635 Posted May 27, 2022 Brugge have some excellent young attackers at the minute so if they're cashing in on them it's interesting that they'd go for Tzolis, at least suggests there is a player in there somewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thumbbass 319 Posted May 27, 2022 What would we rather? The (likely remote based upon limited appearances) possibility he comes good in the champs and turns himself into the £10m-£15m player we thought we'd bought, or, not do his reputation any more damage take a fee of around £6-£8m and write him off, or let him have a terrible season in the champs and end up basically giving him away or devaluing his stock to £2-4m. At his age each scenario has some validity. Given that DS has had half a season with him and he wasn't getting a look in I'd assume we are going to cut our losses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted May 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Thumbbass said: What would we rather? The (likely remote based upon limited appearances) possibility he comes good in the champs and turns himself into the £10m-£15m player we thought we'd bought, or, not do his reputation any more damage take a fee of around £6-£8m and write him off, or let him have a terrible season in the champs and end up basically giving him away or devaluing his stock to £2-4m. At his age each scenario has some validity. Given that DS has had half a season with him and he wasn't getting a look in I'd assume we are going to cut our losses. Tzolis is the end, my friend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,334 Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, king canary said: Apparently we're talking to Brugge with a loan or permanent on the table. If true it seems we're just cutting our losses on this one. It looks like they were heavily linked with him last summer as well. Interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alex_ncfc 662 Posted May 27, 2022 I still would like to see what he could do at Championship level. It wound me up that we spent so much on RvW but never played him in the Champs when we went down, and just loaned him out for the rest of his contract. If the player is ours we should see what they can do. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,685 Posted May 27, 2022 I guess if Smith rates both Springett and Rowe ahead of him then it makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HazzaJet 254 Posted May 27, 2022 Would like to see him given a go at Championship level first. If he does go there I can only see it being a loan - his contract expires in 2026 and PAOK inserted a 17.5% sell on clause, so I can’t see us selling him yet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted May 27, 2022 52 minutes ago, Thumbbass said: or, not do his reputation any more damage take a fee of around £6-£8m and write him off That sounds incredibly optimistic, look how dreadful the team is that he failed to get into. Be lucky to get any more than £2m for him at this point I suspect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,609 Posted May 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, HazzaJet said: Would like to see him given a go at Championship level first. If he does go there I can only see it being a loan - his contract expires in 2026 and PAOK inserted a 17.5% sell on clause, so I can’t see us selling him yet You'd imagine that would be on any profit though, rather that just any fee we sold him for. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samwam27 528 Posted May 27, 2022 But didn't Webber and Farke rate him as one of the most exciting talents for the future. It's like having Kane, letting him go and see him become one of the worlds best strikers (which we did see, but when they trounced us 0-5) and we had Tzolis and he becomes the next Messi. It would be one of Webbers worst "risks" but if he truly hasn't settled, which might account to him not progressing this season, and we can get a good fee, maybe it makes sense to recoup the money, free up a spot and let Smith get in someone he feels will battle on and off the pitch for us Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Worthy Nigelton 1,051 Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, king canary said: I think it would somewhat depend on what we get back for him. I'd image we've not paid close to the suggest £11m yet as some will be related to appearances, goals, other add ons etc. So if we manage to recoup £5-6m and it turns out we've only paid £8m then I think it'll go down as a disappointment but nowhere near Naismith level in terms of financial damage. I tend to agree. He must have some sell on value even if we take a hit. Naismsith had next to zero. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danke bitte 966 Posted May 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Worthy Nigelton said: I tend to agree. He must have some sell on value even if we take a hit. Naismsith had next to zero. Naismith and RVW we lost big time on. From memory didn’t we sell RVW for 500,00k or something… that’s appalling business. I would think we could get something a bit north of that for Tzolis if it came to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,741 Posted May 27, 2022 Webber disasterclass.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,609 Posted May 27, 2022 Just now, Danke bitte said: Naismith and RVW we lost big time on. From memory didn’t we sell RVW for 500,00k or something… that’s appalling business. I would think we could get something a bit north of that for Tzolis if it came to it. We at least managed to loan him out though- I think we got a couple of loan fees for him before we sold and we got his wages off the books. Naismith sat through his whole bloody contract while claiming he'd play for Rangers for free. I imagine Hears barely paid 10% of his wages too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HazzaJet 254 Posted May 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, king canary said: You'd imagine that would be on any profit though, rather that just any fee we sold him for. I would think so, but considering he was signed as a teenager on a five year contract I would expect us to try and develop him into huge talent and become a record club departure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,296 Posted May 27, 2022 Oh brugger.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yella Army 57 Posted May 27, 2022 I'd be devastated if we let him go. I can only think that his attitude stinks and there's a real issue with him that we want rid. I can honestly say I have seen quite a few glimpses of real talent in the very minimal time he has played.  Bournemouth ( against opposition standard we will face next year )  Arsenal away- was the only attacking threat all game  Newcastle away- despite being hooked off at HT he created 3 chances and had two shots goalbound blocked in just 45 mins.  Liverpool home in the cup- despite the penalty miss and apparent breakage of penalty duties (idah was meant to take it) he was again the only attacking threat and was the man to create the pen chance in the first place  His movement off the ball in attacking positions is SUPERB from what I've seen. Yes, his defensive duties less so good but that's his youth and inexperience.... in the Champs we will higher up the pitch and have more possession and therefore can afford the likes of Tzolis gambling forward.  He's 10x the talent of Sargent (not hard I know) and about 5000037282x the talent of Placheta... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
astro 360 Posted May 27, 2022 Considering he was supposed to be one for the future, it makes last seasons recruitment look even more lame if he goes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike w 46 Posted May 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Monty13 said: Thats pretty much the only acceptable reason for me, even though that in itself creates a bunch of questions. Otherwise how did we turn one of Europes top young talents into a player that cant contribute in the Championship? I agree don't know how many times he got on the pitch but must be p....d off so why not move on. At his age needs game time. As long as we recoup most of our outlay and salary then could be good for all parties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peanuts 150 Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, king canary said: We at least managed to loan him out though- I think we got a couple of loan fees for him before we sold and we got his wages off the books. Naismith sat through his whole bloody contract while claiming he'd play for Rangers for free. I imagine Hears barely paid 10% of his wages too. Naismith also waited an extra month before signing for Hearts to trigger another wage payment from us, something supposedly part of footballer's contracts so those that can't find a club when their contract ends have some money to tide them over. Given he'd been playing for them for 18 months by that point it was a pretty grubby thing to do. Edited May 27, 2022 by Peanuts 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chelm Canary 404 Posted May 27, 2022 No surprise here. There seemed to be some odd belief from many on this forum that he was going to stay and tear up the championship, as if we were wrapping him up in cotton wool until then. He cost something like 8 million - our club doesn't invest that kind of money for an academy player. He struggled to make the squad infront of semi-fit players. Hopefully we can claw back a bit of cash although effectively no chance of breaking even. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,562 Posted May 27, 2022 2 hours ago, wcorkcanary said: Tzolis is the end, my friend. Isn't that used in Acropolis Now... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,774 Posted May 27, 2022 It should be pointed out that he's still younger than Maddison was when we sent him on loan to Coventry then Aberdeen, so theres still time for him to come good However spending a sixth of our budget on him last summer was criminal 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites