horsefly 4,303 Posted March 19 Remember when several fans on here wailed that selling Bali Mumba was a disastrous decision to sell our greatest young asset? https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/expensive-plymouth-argyle-recruit-is-failing-to-live-up-to-the-hype-view/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,742 Posted March 19 Football Leauge World? No thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commonsense 626 Posted March 19 12 minutes ago, horsefly said: Remember when several fans on here wailed that selling Bali Mumba was a disastrous decision to sell our greatest young asset? https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/expensive-plymouth-argyle-recruit-is-failing-to-live-up-to-the-hype-view/ What another example that the coaching staff and manager at Norwich know more about a player than a bunch of posters on the Pink’un- surely not!! 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,661 Posted March 19 It’s interesting how this one has taken a bit of a backseat since our form returned…but the law of sod suggests he’ll play and have a blinder against us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HazzaJet 254 Posted March 19 (edited) The problem with Mumba is that before this season started he’d only ever made a few appearances in the Championship. Although McCallum was still poor at the start this season, he’s had two season-long Championship loans in the past Edited March 19 by HazzaJet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannings bandy legs 389 Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said: It’s interesting how this one has taken a bit of a backseat since our form returned…but the law of sod suggests he’ll play and have a blinder against us. Suspended for our game 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,252 Posted March 19 Had we a fully fit squad he wouldn't even make our bench. It's looking a good piece of business now, but fair play to the lad for making the move. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S_81 803 Posted March 19 He’s a good player. Would have been useful to retain here, had we been able. Alas it wasn’t to be. He certainly hasn’t lived up to Plymouth’s hopes for much of this season, but he’s young and he’ll have a good career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 881 Posted March 19 1 hour ago, mannings bandy legs said: Suspended for our game yep https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/bali-mumba-norwich-plymouth-albion-9150531 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyJonnyRowe 447 Posted March 19 (edited) 11 minutes ago, S_81 said: He’s a good player. Would have been useful to retain here, had we been able. Alas it wasn’t to be. He certainly hasn’t lived up to Plymouth’s hopes for much of this season, but he’s young and he’ll have a good career. The problem is he's a wing back, considers himself a wing back, and then we've let him go because we don't play wing backs. Only... we sort of have started playing wing backs, what is Stacey if he isn't a wing back? Particularly when Fassnacht comes on and we go really narrow. Schumacher then leaves Plymouth, Ian Foster has come in and he's struggled to find a working system and has used numerous formations including 4-2-3-1 and 4-1-4-1, sometimes a wing back system. Just a case of a player struggling to adapt to a new managers style, or a manager struggling to find a style which suits the squad he has. Really no different to Max Aarons looking half the player under Dean Smith. Mumba is still only 22. Personally I think £1m will still prove cheap, and he'll end up going to a bigger Championship side, but I can't see him being one who hugely embarrasses us with a £20m move to Palace or something. More likely a £3m move to Middlesbrough. Edited March 19 by JonnyJonnyRowe 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,099 Posted March 19 2 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Football Leauge World? No thanks Put up an article from a reputable news source which discourages this view then…. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ged in the onion bag 855 Posted March 19 Fans reading garbage journalism again I see. Not all facts are considered here... As Chris Sutton would say 'Yer better than that!' Firstly, as the article says, he was undroppable under Schumacher (he wasn't) but Plymouth and he were doing perfectly well. The new manager is the problem, the fans are not happy with him at all. Every player is struggling including Whittaker as the team just aren't functioning. Their fans are frustrated with it all at the minute. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,221 Posted March 19 34 minutes ago, S_81 said: He’s a good player. Would have been useful to retain here, had we been able. Alas it wasn’t to be. He certainly hasn’t lived up to Plymouth’s hopes for much of this season, but he’s young and he’ll have a good career. Indeed our under 21’s needed a bit of strengthening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,099 Posted March 19 I wasn’t that bothered by him going and you can argue stacy has had a better season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
repman 635 Posted March 19 Last year he was playing in a side that won 66% of its games, this year he's playing for a side that has won roughly 25%. Most players will be made to look better/worse than they are depending on the quality of the team they're in. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,099 Posted March 19 8 minutes ago, repman said: Last year he was playing in a side that won 66% of its games, this year he's playing for a side that has won roughly 25%. Most players will be made to look better/worse than they are depending on the quality of the team they're in. And the division they’re playing in which I suspect is the biggest point Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,776 Posted March 19 I'd have him here now as back up to Stacey ahead of Fisher... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,691 Posted March 19 1 hour ago, S_81 said: He’s a good player. Would have been useful to retain here, had we been able. Alas it wasn’t to be. He certainly hasn’t lived up to Plymouth’s hopes for much of this season, but he’s young and he’ll have a good career. Hes an average player that for some reason turned you apoplectic when he sold as he wanted first team football, and we preferred Rowe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S_81 803 Posted March 19 12 minutes ago, hogesar said: Hes an average player that for some reason turned you apoplectic when he sold as he wanted first team football, and we preferred Rowe. Hoggy I keep saying to you - he’s a left wing-back / left-winger. He was never competing with Rowe. He was competing with Dimi/Sam/Sainz/Placheta. He’s clearly not a better option than Sainz. He is certainly better than Placheta. Dimi is a better defender. It’s arguable Sam is. There’s times this season when he would have been useful. But if he wanted to leave and they wanted to sell him then it is what it is. But I still think 1m will look bad value in the long run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyJonnyRowe 447 Posted March 19 50 minutes ago, hogesar said: Hes an average player that for some reason turned you apoplectic when he sold as he wanted first team football, and we preferred Rowe. It had nothing to do with Rowe. He was let go because Wagner rated Kellen Fisher. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyJonnyRowe 447 Posted March 19 35 minutes ago, S_81 said: Hoggy I keep saying to you - he’s a left wing-back / left-winger. He was never competing with Rowe. He was competing with Dimi/Sam/Sainz/Placheta. He’s clearly not a better option than Sainz. He is certainly better than Placheta. Dimi is a better defender. It’s arguable Sam is. There’s times this season when he would have been useful. But if he wanted to leave and they wanted to sell him then it is what it is. But I still think 1m will look bad value in the long run. Another reason why he's struggled this season, hasn't had a consistent position (see image below), unlike last season where he was mostly used as a left wing back. He can play on either side, however Wagner made the decision to sanction the move as he was happy with Kellen Fisher, so I guess that he was seen as in contention for our right side rather than left. Is a bit awkward though that we've got 2 left backs who are out of contract in the summer though! Hope their replacements, assuming they are released, don't make us miss Mumba! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bunny 310 Posted March 20 The logic was that Fisher was a better prospect, despite having only played non league before. I don’t think that worked out either to be fair. I am surprised Mumba hasn’t kicked on for Plymouth though. Given his previous season with them (albeit in L1), I don’t think that was really an outcome anyone predicted. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 1,923 Posted March 20 It's starting to look as if Schumacher's move to Stoke has been bad for everyone: Schumacher himself, Plymouth, Stoke and Mumba. It might mean all of them are in League 1 next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,933 Posted March 20 12 hours ago, JonnyJonnyRowe said: The problem is he's a wing back, considers himself a wing back, and then we've let him go because we don't play wing backs. Only... we sort of have started playing wing backs, what is Stacey if he isn't a wing back? Particularly when Fassnacht comes on and we go really narrow. Schumacher then leaves Plymouth, Ian Foster has come in and he's struggled to find a working system and has used numerous formations including 4-2-3-1 and 4-1-4-1, sometimes a wing back system. Just a case of a player struggling to adapt to a new managers style, or a manager struggling to find a style which suits the squad he has. Really no different to Max Aarons looking half the player under Dean Smith. Mumba is still only 22. Personally I think £1m will still prove cheap, and he'll end up going to a bigger Championship side, but I can't see him being one who hugely embarrasses us with a £20m move to Palace or something. More likely a £3m move to Middlesbrough. He's 5ft 5. There are very few players of that height in the Premier League or Championship. I'm sure he's talented but he's not talented enough to make up for being a defensive liability. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,303 Posted March 20 12 hours ago, ged in the onion bag said: Fans reading garbage journalism again I see. Not all facts are considered here... As Chris Sutton would say 'Yer better than that!' Firstly, as the article says, he was undroppable under Schumacher (he wasn't) but Plymouth and he were doing perfectly well. The new manager is the problem, the fans are not happy with him at all. Every player is struggling including Whittaker as the team just aren't functioning. Their fans are frustrated with it all at the minute. You're the person that banged on for post after post saying we should purposely spend several years in the Championship developing a squad of young talent 🤣🤣 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,691 Posted March 20 10 hours ago, JonnyJonnyRowe said: It had nothing to do with Rowe. He was let go because Wagner rated Kellen Fisher. 10 hours ago, JonnyJonnyRowe said: Another reason why he's struggled this season, hasn't had a consistent position (see image below), unlike last season where he was mostly used as a left wing back. He can play on either side, however Wagner made the decision to sanction the move as he was happy with Kellen Fisher, so I guess that he was seen as in contention for our right side rather than left. Is a bit awkward though that we've got 2 left backs who are out of contract in the summer though! Hope their replacements, assuming they are released, don't make us miss Mumba! He has predominantly played left wing because that is where coaches deem his best position (speak to any of the current NCFC coaching staff) and even Plymouth accepted it helped negate his obvious defensive flaws. So yes, Rowe was a totally relevant thought process, as well as Sainz, for how much first team football Mumba was going to get - and he himself wanted to play every week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,146 Posted March 20 12 hours ago, Yobocop said: I wasn’t that bothered by him going and you can argue stacy has had a better season Argue? It’s undeniable, Stacey has been great, especially recently. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ged in the onion bag 855 Posted March 20 2 hours ago, horsefly said: You're the person that banged on for post after post saying we should purposely spend several years in the Championship developing a squad of young talent 🤣🤣 How is this comment from you relevant in any way to what I said? And get your facts right. I argued developing a capable squad and playing philosophy of the right talent types and that would include young talent.... and I argued it with valid facts and reasoning. I remain of that view and stand by it, we could do much better. You're happy to flit between leagues being competitive one year / getting thumped the next / struggling to find form / cohesion / quality entertainment the next..... that's the cycle. If you're happy with that, crack on - enjoy. Personally, I am not happy with our last Prem season or the subsequent seasons in the Championship, its generally been an unenjoyable time (including most of this one). I am entitled to my own views however, I have conviction in them and they are always justified by explanation. You struggle to understand but I can't do anything about your level of interpretation. ... and I do recall, you're the person that generally mis-interpreted what I had said for your own agenda, as your responses clearly showed then and that's evident based on this senseless post. You don't come across as particularly clever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyJonnyRowe 447 Posted March 21 21 hours ago, hogesar said: He has predominantly played left wing because that is where coaches deem his best position (speak to any of the current NCFC coaching staff) and even Plymouth accepted it helped negate his obvious defensive flaws. So yes, Rowe was a totally relevant thought process, as well as Sainz, for how much first team football Mumba was going to get - and he himself wanted to play every week. Why do I need to "speak to any of the current NCFC coaching staff", or indeed listen to some bloke on a forum, when Wagner himself literally told us this 6 days after Mumba was sold? https://www.pinkun.com/news/23681062.norwich-city-wagner-kellen-fisher-impact-bali-mumba-sale/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,742 Posted March 21 On 19/03/2024 at 22:39, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said: I'd have him here now as back up to Stacey ahead of Fisher... I mean I think Fisher will be better in the future but why we thought someone who's only played in non leuage would improve our defence I don't know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
