I despair

[dylanisabaddog 6,136]

Excellent tackle by one of our players in the first half for which he was booked. 

Goalkeeper for Liverpool handled the ball probably about 5 feet out of the area. Reviewed by VAR but nothing given. 

Every 50/50 decision against us. I watched with a Chelsea fan who couldn't believe it. What a ****ing joke. 

[Helsinki canary 302]

There was a foul from behind on (I think) Sargent a while after the Williams booking which was much worse and there was no booking, so agree there is a clear biased in the refereeing 

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

19 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

Excellent tackle by one of our players in the first half for which he was booked. 

Goalkeeper for Liverpool handled the ball probably about 5 feet out of the area. Reviewed by VAR but nothing given. 

Every 50/50 decision against us. I watched with a Chelsea fan who couldn't believe it. What a ****ing joke. 

I did wonder about the Allison "throw". If he threw it then surely he was out of the area?

But you must not say that about the big clubs. They never get any decisions go their way. Or so they keep bleating on about. 

I wonder if on Morons of the Day tonight, they will clear it up for us. 

[Monty13 2,736]

There was a tackle when Gilmour got closed down and lost the ball because a player went through him, think it was Mane.

I’ll have to watch the replay, maybe it was amazing, but I’m struggling to believe if it was a Liverpool player they wouldn’t have got a foul.

Gilmour actually had a similar one and clearly got the ball and still got a foul against him.

[CardiffCanary 163]

They didn’t even show that from the right angle to get a proper view … typical 

[Ian 1,211]

Yeah, the keeper one was actually pathetic. 

[Jambomo 215]

I mean Mane has in the past got away with   two clear elbows to the head, one on Tierney when they played Arsenal and one on Azpilicueta when they played Chelsea. When they get away with **** like that, you know you they’ll get nothing when it comes to smaller offences. 

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 2,035]

Referee Mike Dean...from The Wirrall...

[canarybubbles 2,199]

I generally tend to think that any bias is unconscious and that the officials try to be fair. But that handling outside the box was so blatantly the case from the replay that it is simply impossible to see it as anything other a deliberate decision in favour of the big club. It's not a difficult call - you just have to look at the replay.

VAR makes it worse because the person making the decision is protected by being invisible and the ref on the pitch is happy to surrender his responsibility.

We'll never get rid of it, but VAR as it is currently used is making the game so much worse.

[daisy 145]

VAR won`t review a handball outside the box.

[Mello Yello 2,572]

Sargent took a nasty scrape down on his Achilles, that was unfortunately 'missed' by the man in the muddle.....

[East Rider 589]

Mane dived when in the box after Hanley took the ball away. The ref clearly saw it wasn't a penalty but missed the dive 🤷‍♂️

[Canary Jedi 610]

I wondered about the Allison incident but didn’t see a decent replay. Anyone got a freeze frame?

[Chelm Canary 404]

The Alison incident suddenly chucking the ball when he was yards outside the box was laughable. 

Mike Dean wanted things to go to plan and that was a bigger club getting the decisions. 

A smaller club has less people to moan so best do what is expected. 

[Beefy is a legend 224]

3 hours ago, Chelm Canary said:

The Alison incident suddenly chucking the ball when he was yards outside the box was laughable. 

Mike Dean wanted things to go to plan and that was a bigger club getting the decisions. 

A smaller club has less people to moan so best do what is expected. 

I was good friends a while back with the brother of a referee named Michael Ryan. He ref'd a game I went to at Bramall Lane in Feb 2003.

In that game Norwich won 1-0 and he sent off two Blades players. There was carnage in the home stands towards him. My friend told me that afterwards, instead of being in the post-match lounge, referee Ryan was escorted by Police to his car promptly after full-time and immediately left.

It's pretty unfair to accuse refs of conscious bias towards home teams. 

 

[Jezzard 17]

7 hours ago, daisy said:

VAR won`t review a handball outside the box.

Yes but it is a potential red card for denying a clear chance - if he doesn’t handle the ball at all ( i.e. slides passed the ball as he knows he won’t  be able to handle the ball without taking it outside the box) Pukki has a tap in. So it should be looked at, even if the outcome is a free kick and yellow card. But that’s probably too complicated for an offical or match of the day…

[canarybubbles 2,199]

3 hours ago, Beefy is a legend said:

I was good friends a while back with the brother of a referee named Michael Ryan. He ref'd a game I went to at Bramall Lane in Feb 2003.

In that game Norwich won 1-0 and he sent off two Blades players. There was carnage in the home stands towards him. My friend told me that afterwards, instead of being in the post-match lounge, referee Ryan was escorted by Police to his car promptly after full-time and immediately left.

It's pretty unfair to accuse refs of conscious bias towards home teams. 

 

In general I agree, but VAR makes both bias and incompetence much easier because the ultimate decisions are not made by the ref on the pitch but by an invisible presence. OK, we are told his name, but how relevant is that? 

[Dr Greenthumb 792]

11 hours ago, Mello Yello said:

Sargent took a nasty scrape down on his Achilles, that was unfortunately 'missed' by the man in the muddle.....

That was two players jumping for the ball, can’t see a foul there, just a bad landing

[dylanisabaddog 6,136]

13 hours ago, daisy said:

VAR won`t review a handball outside the box.

It was reviewed by VAR but no action taken. Presumably because it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity. It still beggars belief it wasn't a free kick and a yellow card 

[Jambomo 215]

7 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

It was reviewed by VAR but no action taken. Presumably because it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity. It still beggars belief it wasn't a free kick and a yellow card 

  This is where VAR is used badly. It’s not right that the ref can make a clear mistake not giving something like a handball outside the box by the keeper and it’s not corrected. 

I get that they want the ref to make the decisions and they don’t want VAR to be deciding all the decisions but equally either you have and use it to correct mistakes or you don’t.

[Mello Yello 2,572]

2 hours ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

That was two players jumping for the ball, can’t see a foul there, just a bad landing

I only got one look at it and thought it was debatable....

[Mello Yello 2,572]

14 hours ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said:

Referee Mike Dean...from The Wirrall...

Probably claimed his full travel expenses and overnight stay allowances.....

[The Real Buh 3,765]

The PGMOL is deeply involved in criminality and it will all come out one day. Just hope Mike Dean gets arrested while he’s doing “im a celebrity, get me out of here”

[Dr Greenthumb 792]

7 minutes ago, Mello Yello said:

I only got one look at it and thought it was debatable....

Nah there was no intention in it, just an unfortunate landing. Don’t get me wrong. The reffing was dreadful yesterday. The offside that was given against McLean in the first half had me giggling and that handball….

[Jambomo 215]

We are not the only hard done by team. Just watching Arsenal v Brentford and a stonewall pen not given against Brentford. Clear handball and VAR checked it!

[Jim Smith 2,610]

The linesman gave a strange offside against Rashica as well in the second half when we were in the midst of a promising attack. I don’t think Rashica was off, possibly Pukki in the middle although the ball didn’t go to him. But the point is the linesman is not supposed to flag til the move ends but for some reason decided to flag and stop our attack. 

[Mackrel829 24]

6 hours ago, Jezzard said:

Yes but it is a potential red card for denying a clear chance - if he doesn’t handle the ball at all ( i.e. slides passed the ball as he knows he won’t  be able to handle the ball without taking it outside the box) Pukki has a tap in. So it should be looked at, even if the outcome is a free kick and yellow card. But that’s probably too complicated for an offical or match of the day…

 

1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said:

It was reviewed by VAR but no action taken. Presumably because it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity. It still beggars belief it wasn't a free kick and a yellow card 

That's not how it works. VAR only has the power to overturn it to either a penalty or a red card. In that situation, it obviously wouldn't be a penalty because he's allowed to handle it inside the box so they're literally only checking for a red card.

Even if VAR looked at it and agreed that he handled it outside the box, a free kick and a yellow card is literally not within the range of outcomes.

[Jezzard 17]

VAR can consider any potential red card, which this was; if it decides it is not a red card, does it then award the perceived correct decision - yellow and free kick in this case if no red card,  or does it just stick with the referee's initial incorrect decision….?

In practice this would never go to VAR as keepers are always annoyingly favoured for out of box handballs - it should nearly always be a red if an attacker is in the vicinity

[Mackrel829 24]

1 hour ago, Jezzard said:

VAR can consider any potential red card, which this was; if it decides it is not a red card, does it then award the perceived correct decision - yellow and free kick in this case if no red card,  or does it just stick with the referee's initial incorrect decision….?

In practice this would never go to VAR as keepers are always annoyingly favoured for out of box handballs - it should nearly always be a red if an attacker is in the vicinity

If VAR deems that it isn't a red card then no action is taken.

The only way VAR could be used to award a free kick is if a penalty is awarded by the referee but the video evidence shows the foul occured outside the box. I don't believe there is any scenario in which VAR can be used to issue a yellow card.

[Petriix 3,219]

On 20/02/2022 at 09:45, Mackrel829 said:

 

That's not how it works. VAR only has the power to overturn it to either a penalty or a red card. In that situation, it obviously wouldn't be a penalty because he's allowed to handle it inside the box so they're literally only checking for a red card.

Even if VAR looked at it and agreed that he handled it outside the box, a free kick and a yellow card is literally not within the range of outcomes.

While this is all true, it doesn't make it any less stupid. VAR *should* be giving correct decisions on situations like this. While you wouldn't really want play being brought back for trivial things, in this situation the ball was out of play and waiting for VAR to restart. In such instances, it's really simple to change from a throw in to a freekick.