Barden

[Jersey Canary 180]

Does anyone know if Barden is good with the ball at his feet and playing out from the back? Likewise is he very commanding of his area? If so I’d put him in on Saturday. McGovern is not good enough for the way we play.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,798]

Given hes only started one match for us.. Little too early to tell.

 

Although admittedly at this rate I think I would prefer having a scarecrow in goal to Mcgovern.

 

Would probably have the same shots saved rate as him.

[WD40 726]

I thought our squad was supposed to have a culture of ‘if I get a chance to play then I need to to take it otherwise there’s another one behind me chomping at the bit’.

Sorry Mick McGovern, you’ve fluffed your chance and now you need to be replaced. 

[Jerrykerry 223]

And look! 

Another thread bashing mcgovern! 

Pathetic. 

 

[WD40 726]

10 minutes ago, Jerrykerry said:

And look! 

Another thread bashing mcgovern! 

Pathetic. 

 

If you haven’t noticed he isn’t very good at football. 

[Ward 3 484]

He isn't very good full stop. Doesn't command the defence. Opposition always look like scoring when they attack and he isn't very good at catching for a goalkeeper

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

Could Neville Southall be the answer after not going for Camp? He’d struggle getting off the ground but would block most shots on targets. 

Edited December 3, 2020 by Midlands Yellow

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

57 minutes ago, Jerrykerry said:

And look! 

Another thread bashing mcgovern! 

Pathetic. 

 

Don’t look. 

[All the Germans 1,239]

He is not, will not be and never was good enough for a team in the Championship. Never mind a team looking to be near the top.

[jaywick_canery 28]

Too many City supporters letting their heart rule their heads again. Nice man he may be.... good quality goalkeeper he isn't.

 

He knew which side his bread was buttered when he grabbed the latest contract on offer.

[Thirsty Lizard 3,215]

Barden did okay in the Cup game at Luton earlier in the season (which coincidentally we also lost 3-1 with a severely depleted team).

However I'm sorry to report that Barden is 'guilty' of the same 'crime' that McGovern is. That 'crime' is not being Tim Krul. 

[Jim Smith 2,610]

49 minutes ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

Barden did okay in the Cup game at Luton earlier in the season (which coincidentally we also lost 3-1 with a severely depleted team).

However I'm sorry to report that Barden is 'guilty' of the same 'crime' that McGovern is. That 'crime' is not being Tim Krul. 

I think its a bit unfair to say that people are worried about him just because he's not Tim Krul. Obviously Krul is a good keeper who has been in great form so anhy number 2 is going to be a step down but I think we've all watched enough goalkeepers in our time to know when one looks vaguely competent/assured in comparison to a complete liability?

[GenerationA47 864]

I’ll continue to support Micky M (no rodent reference intended) from my armchair and will him on to improvement and success while he’s in for us.

MMcG versus Fährmann last year,  do seem to represent opposite ends of the spectrum for what a second goalie can be . The latter probably a bit too high quality/ expense as understudy. Luckily (no actual luck involved) for our budget he was only on loan.

However MMcG by contrast is very much one of ours and deserves support despite limitations, and Farke always talks so highly of him ( not that he wouldn’t refuse a decent alternative if offered by Webber..).

 

[HazzaJet 267]

Listening to Canary Call last night I heard loads of people calling for McGovern out. However, one guy said that the whole reason he gets criticised so much was simply because he’s not Tim Krul. I agree to this as Krul is by far the best keeper in this league and McGovern is way past his best - already 36, but I certainly wouldn’t rate Barden above McGovern.

How much first team experience has McGovern had? Maybe it’s been a while since he last got a decent amount, but plenty over the years despite the fact it’s not been at a very high level.

How much first team experience has Barden had? As far as I’m aware I think one game, although please correct me if I’m wrong. I would however start Barden and some of the other kids in the cup game v Coventry to give them some experience, as I can’t see McGovern being offered a new contract when his expires at the end of the season. If any of the current injured players are back I would probably also play them to help them get going again.

As a result of this I would rate McGovern above Barden, as he has the experience.

One other thing I would say everyone is don’t get too down over this guys - we’re not exactly doing bad are we considering how long our injury list is? There’s also over 2/3s of the season left to play. Krul should also be back in a few weeks time along with a few others. OTBC

[corbs 147]

I remember Greeno and Marshall thrown in at the deep Ed and coming good, but guess they were quality. Sorry that McG hasn’t played a blinder. Pre season I was thinking he was a tad lucky to be warming  the bench. 

[jaywick_canery 28]

We have a good stock of young keepers coming along so I suspect McGovern will see this season as his last hoorah.

[All the Germans 1,239]

24 minutes ago, corbs said:

I remember Greeno and Marshall thrown in at the deep Ed and coming good, but guess they were quality. Sorry that McG hasn’t played a blinder. Pre season I was thinking he was a tad lucky to be warming  the bench. 

One did result in us getting relegated...

[Thirsty Lizard 3,215]

20 hours ago, Jim Smith said:

I think its a bit unfair to say that people are worried about him just because he's not Tim Krul. Obviously Krul is a good keeper who has been in great form so anhy number 2 is going to be a step down but I think we've all watched enough goalkeepers in our time to know when one looks vaguely competent/assured in comparison to a complete liability?

Just like Tim Krul looked like in his first few games for us you mean?

[lappinitup 629]

On 03/12/2020 at 10:32, Midlands Yellow said:

Could Neville Southall be the answer after not going for Camp? He’d struggle getting off the ground but would block most shots on targets. 

I'd rather have Cody Macdonald.

[Samwam27 606]

Its not that McGovern isn't Krul. It's that in 3 games McGovern has conceded as many goals in as Krul did in his first 12.

It's also that Krul commands the area, and the defence has confidence in him. A solid looking defence with Krul is now looking very leaky and I suspect that's because the confidence in the goalie isn't there in McGovern

We can't afford to "stick with McGovern" simply because he's all we've got, or he'll get better. And it's also not about Barden only has one game under his belt.

Suddenly with McGovern our entire defensive unit looks shot to pieces, and thats against weak sides. If Barden's good enough to be on the bench, he's good enough to be given a chance.  McGoverns been given a chance and he's failed very quickly. 

 

[lake district canary 4,830]

5 hours ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

Just like Tim Krul looked like in his first few games for us you mean?

Yes, I think we should all give McGovern a bit of leeway. He has always been a good shot stopper and despite what some people say, he can pass the ball with his feet as evidenced several times in the games he has played. So he puts some longer balls out of play - well watch Krul next time he plays because he is not perfect with his kicking.

What we miss most of all imo is the foghorn shouting and organising Krul does with the people in front of him. He has the persona that has a real effect on his defence and is great to witness close up, as people who sit/stand close behind the goals will tell you.

Having said all that, if after a few games, McGovern doesn't look the part, then Barden is there for a reason and he has played for the first team this season.  But let's give McGovern a chance, eh?

 

 

[daly 551]

On 03/12/2020 at 09:47, WD40 said:

If you haven’t noticed he isn’t very good at football. 

Must have been reasonable during his career over 30 International Caps

Also was under the impression that a goalkeeper is picked for his ability to hopefully keep the ball out of the net NOT his ability with his feet. If he’s that bad change things for a couple of weeks 

 

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

If Farke won't play Omotoye and there isn't a cats chance in hell Barden will play. McGovern is our main back-up and we'll just have to get used to it, or outscore the opposition, which is slightly difficult when you haven't had a striker.

What I saw of Barden in that Luton game is that he didn't look awfully good either, so we are where we are.

Just hope with Pukki back we can score a few and rely on our back 4/midfield to provide protection.

Edited December 4, 2020 by Capt. Pants

[Hucks6 186]

Come on Jerryking. If you thought he commanded his area against Luton, and TRYING to play out from the back.It’s not McGovern bashing it’s the truth he’s not good enough 

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,616]

46 minutes ago, daly said:

Also was under the impression that a goalkeeper is picked for his ability to hopefully keep the ball out of the net NOT his ability with his feet.

Nowadays, in a lot of teams, goalkeepers are judged on both. McGovern's distribution in the last couple of games has not been good enough to play in the manner that this team does.

[The Real Buh 3,765]

 

[Jersey Canary 180]

2 hours ago, daly said:

Must have been reasonable during his career over 30 International Caps

Also was under the impression that a goalkeeper is picked for his ability to hopefully keep the ball out of the net NOT his ability with his feet. If he’s that bad change things for a couple of weeks 

 

McGovern is a good shot stopper which makes him ideal for International football. However, in the Championship there are far more aerial balls and the game is quicker and more physical. This is where McGovern struggles. 

[All the Germans 1,239]

25 minutes ago, Jersey Canary said:

McGovern is a good shot stopper

Good is relative; I'm a good shot stopper compared to my nan. If he had any sort of decent competition, he wouldn't be playing international football. He isn't good enough for Championship or for international football. The key difference is, Northern Ireland can't control whom they have to pick from, we could.

Edited December 4, 2020 by All the Germans