Return to Carrow Road cancelled

[dylanisabaddog 6,149]

See main Pinkun article. Still OK to go to the pub but we can't have socially distanced games at Carrow Road. I despair 

Edited September 10, 2020 by dylanisabaddog

[TIL 1010 5,246]

It was the only outcome.

[dylanisabaddog 6,149]

4 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

It was the only outcome.

I agree to a certain degree but why on earth did the Government suggest that it would be ok in the first place? It's still OK to allow people to gather in pubs with obvious consequences after alcohol has been consumed but socially distanced football attendance outdoors isn't allowed. 

Perhaps if Dido Harding ran a football club we would all be allowed back. 

[TIL 1010 5,246]

12 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I agree to a certain degree but why on earth did the Government suggest that it would be ok in the first place? It's still OK to allow people to gather in pubs with obvious consequences after alcohol has been consumed but socially distanced football attendance outdoors isn't allowed. 

Perhaps if Dido Harding ran a football club we would all be allowed back. 

The suggestion came well before the recent growing increase in reported cases dylan. I have spoken to numerous people in recent weeks and i must say virtually all are pretty laid back about returning to football anytime soon and surprised that several said they were not too bothered about applying for tickets had next week come to pass.

[Terminally Yellow 2,614]

31 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

See main Pinkun article. Still OK to go to the pub but we can't have socially distanced games at Carrow Road. I despair 

In fairness, the way it's been described by the Government is that it's put on hold pending review. The club have cancelled the ticket exercise given this.

For me, football is just a bit of fun on a Saturday afternoon. For a lot of people, it's social interaction they've come to rely on. A bit shame, but if it isn't safe, it isn't safe.

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

I really think a lot of clubs will be close to the tipping point if this carries on much longer.

Mixed incompetence from the Government. UK is neither one thing or the other. Why can't we take the good from each nation?

[sonyc 6,145]

1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said:

I really think a lot of clubs will be close to the tipping point if this carries on much longer.

Mixed incompetence from the Government. UK is neither one thing or the other. Why can't we take the good from each nation?

Well, Belgium have a 10pm curfew and the government is looking to that example here (it has worked). Not especially football -related I accept.

[Hairy Canary 754]

If we go back to normal there will be a massive rise in cases so there have to be restrictions somewhere. Political decisions have to be taken to decide which areas we can relax, as a total package. The political decision is that schools are more important than groups larger than six and therefore football crowds. 

[Jerrykerry 223]

If they let everyone in and then Norwich gets whacked with hundreds of deaths and a full hospital, the same people whining about the govt would be....whining about the govt. 

[CANARYKING 708]

Jumped the gun big time, how much does 25,000 second class stamps cost ?

[PurpleCanary 6,388]

20 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I agree to a certain degree but why on earth did the Government suggest that it would be ok in the first place? It's still OK to allow people to gather in pubs with obvious consequences after alcohol has been consumed but socially distanced football attendance outdoors isn't allowed. 

Perhaps if Dido Harding ran a football club we would all be allowed back. 

Because it is a government of morons.

[Capt. Pants 5,014]

20 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

I really think a lot of clubs will be close to the tipping point if this carries on much longer.

Mixed incompetence from the Government. UK is neither one thing or the other. Why can't we take the good from each nation?

Incompetence from the govt doesn't explain why the number of cases is increasing. Evidence from around the world indicates that as soon as restrictions are lifted, or ignored, the number of cases increases. You can't just pick the model which suits opening up football stadiums. If clubs go to the wall tough, but you can't allow 8000 to congregate and risk causing more spread and as in the long run even more businesses to suffer.

Edited September 11, 2020 by Capt. Pants

[Essjayess 307]

Before this topic turns from the Carrow Road plans into political bashing as usual, lets be realistic..it could be years...yes, years...before we see a full house ever again  at Carrow Road or any other football ground (for Poorman Road make that forever).

This virus shows again and again that its not going away...and each time certain restrictions are relaxed the virus just  comes  back again and numbers of positives increase. As for the great releiver...a vaccine...dont hold your breath, so much vibes about how many organisations are involved, how close it might be, blah blah...it still could be years away before a vaccine...thats proven...may control this horrid  virus, in such case  every government everywhere will constantly have to be tinkering with restrictive controls that change from day to day, week to week. So football, as with most other things, will suffer  for a long time to come.

[dylanisabaddog 6,149]

My original post was a hasty rant on hearing the news but having had time to think about it I still feel the same. The statistics show you're as likely to get struck by lightning as you are of getting Covid outdoors. So why you can go in a pub but not a football match seems extraordinary, especially if the capacity is limited and entrance and exit is controlled. 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

[Hairy Canary 754]

It's very simply a matter of choices. 

We can only relax restrictions on so many activities before the R number goes above 1. Politically the government want schools and universities open so something (which may even be less likely to spread the virus) has to be put on hold. Pubs or gatherings over six people? Beauty parlours or hairdressers? Someone has to make that choice and someone isn't going to like the answer but we can't have everything without dire consequences.

[Van wink 2,994]

We’ll be lucky if there are games before too long.

[Well b back 3,606]

23 hours ago, Hairy Canary said:

If we go back to normal there will be a massive rise in cases so there have to be restrictions somewhere. Political decisions have to be taken to decide which areas we can relax, as a total package. The political decision is that schools are more important than groups larger than six and therefore football crowds. 

Many did go back to normal and consequently there is a massive rise in cases.

[Well b back 3,606]

3 hours ago, Hairy Canary said:

It's very simply a matter of choices. 

We can only relax restrictions on so many activities before the R number goes above 1. Politically the government want schools and universities open so something (which may even be less likely to spread the virus) has to be put on hold. Pubs or gatherings over six people? Beauty parlours or hairdressers? Someone has to make that choice and someone isn't going to like the answer but we can't have everything without dire consequences.

Some experts are reporting the true R rate is now at 1.7

[daly 551]

5 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said:

My original post was a hasty rant on hearing the news but having had time to think about it I still feel the same. The statistics show you're as likely to get struck by lightning as you are of getting Covid outdoors. So why you can go in a pub but not a football match seems extraordinary, especially if the capacity is limited and entrance and exit is controlled. 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

917000 deaths speaks for itself

amazing how clubs are finding the millions to pay for footballers when the world economy is in free fall and millions worldwide will be out of work. The U.K. will not be able to bankroll the millions of unemployed so who knows where this will all end
Its a depressing situation 

[ron obvious 1,711]

8 minutes ago, daly said:

917000 deaths speaks for itself

amazing how clubs are finding the millions to pay for footballers when the world economy is in free fall and millions worldwide will be out of work. The U.K. will not be able to bankroll the millions of unemployed so who knows where this will all end
Its a depressing situation 

6 new deaths in the UK yesterday.

The death vs infection graphs are interesting

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

[Haus 267]

9 hours ago, ron obvious said:

6 new deaths in the UK yesterday.

The death vs infection graphs are interesting

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Theyve changed how they report deaths too now.  If you dont die within 28 days of catching it they dont count it anymore.  

[essex canary 623]

Football didn't get closed down through the Spanish Flu or Polio epidemics. In what sense should Covid19 be treated differently?

[The Real Buh 3,765]

15 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Football didn't get closed down through the Spanish Flu or Polio epidemics. In what sense should Covid19 be treated differently?

Millennials 

[essex canary 623]

33 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

Millennials 

Quite a polite name for Boris.

[Fuzzar 1,861]

Hard fought, bit scrappy, but deserved win. 

[benchwarmer 673]

Covid is a seasonal bug, one of many.  That's why infections fell during June, July and August, despite packed beaches and street demonstrations.  That's why they're starting to rise again now and will continue to increase as winter approaches, come what may.  A semi-permanent state of partial lockdown will be of marginal benefit at best, and damage to economic and psychological health will be widespread. 

The government has no Plan B.  Some would say it doesn't even have a Plan A.  But it's pretty clear that football with fans is not on their agenda in the foreseeable future.

 

 

 

[benchwarmer 673]

"917,000 deaths speaks for itself"

Only if you put it in context.

In 1918/19, Spanish flu infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide (out of approx 1.8 billion) with about 50 million deaths, 95% of whom were under 65.

Covid has infected an estimated 28.8 million (out of almost 8 billion) with about 917,000 deaths, 95% of whom are over 65.

 

[shefcanary 2,956]

Just watched the highlights of the Tour de France on TV.  Despite trying to enforce no fans along the route its proving impossible.  And yes, cases are increasing and some increased pressure on the hospitals in France. 

But, are the actual statistics being evidenced now different to any seasonal flu epidemic, in France, the UK or the world as a whole?  Apparently not, Covid-19 is following the typical Gompertz curve that previous epidemics follow, and it will burn itself out.  Yes, Covid is dangerous, but globally it has been no different in its effects on the world population to date than any previous pandemic. 

The sooner we return to normality (whilst shielding the most at risk unfortunately) the sooner we can plan for the next seasonal epidemic.   I say this in the realisation quite a few on here would be classified as most at risk, so my tin hat is on.  However the unforeseen consequences of complete or partial lockdowns are more dangerous to society as a whole for governments to continue to pursue such tactics.  Many more people will die because of economic failure and its consequences, than from the Coronavirus itself.

[Well b back 3,606]

So when the next pandemic comes along and it is killing younger people will you have the same view ? 1 death is to many, but it is not just deaths it is the millions being left with kidney failure, heart problems loss of energy and other organ failures.

Pass your comments to the Nurses of the QE in Birmingham who yesterday were in tears when they were told the second wave is here, thanks to people not sticking to social distancing and thinking it’s only the flu. Their stats now stand at 80 admissions of which 9 are in ICU. 2 of those in ICU are in their 20s with no underlying conditions. If you believe this disease is not deadly then go and do some voluntary work in a hospital.

[benchwarmer 673]

As a 70 year old I'm in the increased risk group.  Who is primarily responsible for protecting me?  I am.  I'd willingly stay in full lockdown for the next six months if it meant that younger people could get on with their lives.

When you get to my age death is a fact of life, and if someone told me I could die from covid now or die from cancer, alzheimer's or parkinson's in five or ten years time, I know which I'd choose.  

Edited September 12, 2020 by benchwarmer