Big Vince 318 Posted August 21, 2017 If you take out the 3 promotions achieved under McNasty, what have Delia & Wynnie actually achieved in 21 years at the club? When left to their own devices they''ve only had one successful season in 21 years and that was because they got lucky with one player who galvanised the whole team in 2003-04. Even when in the EPL they have always taken the view that they are tourists in that league and expect to get returned to the Championship almost immediately. To get to the next level you have to put money in to stop the bubble bursting. But no one on the Board puts any of their own money in and they refuse to step aside to let someone else have a go. It is clear that Delia & Wynnie are now embarking on a massive downsizing exercise. All the best players are being sold to bridge the gap between losing the parachute payments and arriving back in League 1.Selling players for well over £30 million since January and replacing them with players costing less than a million each is a sure sign of the standard of player Norwich can afford under the self-funding model and the level that the club will find itself at once this transformation has been completed. Make no mistake, there are going to be further painful adjustments to make. Oliveira, Murphy 2 and Pritchard will all be sold by next summer. After all the good work of McNasty and Lambert the club is going to be back at square 1 with no money, no players worth selling and debts starting to rack up again.The defensive failings at the club have been ongoing since at least Hughton''s second season and so Delia & Wynnie have had ample time to spot and rectify the problem, but instead they have lost a chairman, 2 chief execs and 3 managers plus countless changeovers in backroom staff including scouts, recruitment managers, academy managers, etc. There has been no continuity whatsoever. The lack of continuity has led to yet another change - this time the structure of the club with the employment of a sporting director who has had nearly as many clubs as the boy Nicklaus, does not keep to his promises, uses mild expletives at the pre-season forum, is common and insults the city of Norwich by saying there is nothing here apart from the football club. Do I get the feeling his presence is also going to be a fleeting one? A chancer who thinks he''s better than he is and always on the lookout for the next move? Norwich fans deserve a lot better than this from their football club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted August 21, 2017 "Norwich fans deserve a lot better than this from their football club".Yeah, but why does it concern scum like you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,164 Posted August 21, 2017 Is a Catalogue of Failings the title of you new book about the members of Fina Fail?I don''t see it bothering the top sellers list, and speaking about top sellers I''ll vote for Peter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,746 Posted August 21, 2017 the employment of a sporting director who has had nearly as many clubs as the boy Nicklaus, does not keep to his promises, uses mild expletives at the pre-season forum, is common and insults the city of Norwich by saying there is nothing here apart from the football club.What on earth are you on about ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drazen Muzinic 1,445 Posted August 21, 2017 I love the opening line "if you take out the 3 promotions".Gotta love the airbrushing of history to make an argument fit.Didn''t even bother to read the rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowbeagle 0 Posted August 21, 2017 Honestly, what a load of drivel if it''s one thing we are successful at it''s producing a number pillocks in our fanbase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,606 Posted August 21, 2017 Alternatively if you take out all of the relegations they''ve been great.One of your worst efforts Vince. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted August 21, 2017 [quote user="Big Vince"]But no one on the Board puts any of their own money in and they refuse to step aside to let someone else have a go.[/quote]Like your hero Chase did you mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted August 21, 2017 [quote user="Big Vince"]But no one on the Board puts any of their own money in and they refuse to step aside to let someone else have a go.[/quote]When are people like you going to realise that it is not about money - it is about maintaining the character of the club rather than risk losing it''s identity to a speculator. It''s not just about the first person who invests, but further down the line - who he passes it on to once he has had enough. What the Delia detractors don''t get is that passing the club on in the shape of a trust is safeguarding the club in the long term. Howling about lack of investment is pointless when the future of the club is to be as a self-financing business, protected by a Trust. Pointless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,846 Posted August 21, 2017 [quote user="Drazen Muzinic"]I love the opening line "if you take out the 3 promotions".Gotta love the airbrushing of history to make an argument fit.Didn''t even bother to read the rest.[/quote]Exactly the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iwans Big Toe 312 Posted August 21, 2017 From the title, I expected the OP to be a list of links to every thread you''ve ever started on this message board Vince. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,659 Posted August 21, 2017 Quite agree IBT - I couldn''t be bothered to read beyond the first sentence - all that typing wasted.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted August 21, 2017 Skim read. It''s just a copy and paste job of his other 500+ posts, with a few name changes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,535 Posted August 21, 2017 Is the boy in this one[:^)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 22, 2017 [quote user="lake district canary"]When are people like you going to realise that it is not about money - it is about maintaining the character of the club rather than risk losing it''s identity to a speculator. It''s not just about the first person who invests, but further down the line - who he passes it on to once he has had enough. What the Delia detractors don''t get is that passing the club on in the shape of a trust is safeguarding the club in the long term. Howling about lack of investment is pointless when the future of the club is to be as a self-financing business, protected by a Trust. Pointless. [/quote]spot on old fella Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Birdseye 0 Posted August 22, 2017 Vince don''t listen to the Extreme happy clappers you make a balanced and informed view in this threadAfter highland canary you are my hero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted August 22, 2017 [quote user="Captain Birdseye"]Vince don''t listen to the Extreme happy clappers you make a balanced and informed view in this threadAfter highland canary you are my hero[/quote]"You can judge a man by his friends." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,846 Posted August 22, 2017 [quote user="TCCANARY"][quote user="Captain Birdseye"]Vince don''t listen to the Extreme happy clappers you make a balanced and informed view in this threadAfter highland canary you are my hero[/quote]"You can judge a man by his friends."[/quote]+1 [:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 22, 2017 Drazen Muzinic wrote:I love the opening line "if you take out the 3 promotions". Gotta love the airbrushing of history to make an argument fit. Didn''t even bother to read the rest.Exactly the same.Me too. Stopped reading after that sentence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,746 Posted August 22, 2017 [quote user="TIL 1010"] the employment of a sporting director who has had nearly as many clubs as the boy Nicklaus, does not keep to his promises, uses mild expletives at the pre-season forum, is common and insults the city of Norwich by saying there is nothing here apart from the football club.What on earth are you on about ?[/quote]Obviously no chance of an answer then ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted August 22, 2017 ''When are people like you going to realise that it is not about money - it is about maintaining the character of the club rather than risk losing it''s identity to a speculator. It''s not just about the first person who invests, but further down the line - who he passes it on to once he has had enough. What the Delia detractors don''t get is that passing the club on in the shape of a trust is safeguarding the club in the long term. Howling about lack of investment is pointless when the future of the club is to be as a self-financing business, protected by a Trust. Pointless. ''Serious question LDC. Would you be happy lower end of the Championship/top end of League One if it meant ''maintaining the character of the club'' and we were a ''self-financing business, protected by a Trust''That''s the route we are taking, because more and more Championship teams are getting taken over, the teams coming down are getting more & more money, all of which means we just cannot compete financially.And if we want to go down the route of developing players & selling on, surely that is self defeating if your business model requires you to continually sell your best players? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,746 Posted August 22, 2017 I seem to remember the late Jack Walker leaving £200 million in a trust to safeguard Blackburn Rovers and we all know what happened to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,317 Posted August 22, 2017 It is relevant to point out though that 3 of the 4 promotions have only been possible because we got relegated previously under the same regime.So really other than the first promotion under Worthington the other 3 are in effect cancelled out by the relegations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,459 Posted August 22, 2017 Weird logic Jim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted August 22, 2017 [quote user="Jim Smith"]It is relevant to point out though that 3 of the 4 promotions have only been possible because we got relegated previously under the same regime.So really other than the first promotion under Worthington the other 3 are in effect cancelled out by the relegations.[/quote]Or is it better to say that the relegations were cancelled out by the subsequent promotions?Anyway I like the idea of a negative promotion. [:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,317 Posted August 22, 2017 [quote user="FenwayFrank"]Weird logic Jim[/quote]Not really. You can''t argue that a club has been successful because its had 3 promotions over a period of time when those promotions were only taking them back to the level they were at previously.Ultimately we are now at pretty much exactly the same level in the football pyramid as we were when Delia and MWJ took over so what is more relevant is whether you regard that as success, par or failure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Birdseye 0 Posted August 22, 2017 Vince do you have a fan club? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted August 22, 2017 [quote user="Jim Smith"][quote user="FenwayFrank"]Weird logic Jim[/quote]Not really. You can''t argue that a club has been successful because its had 3 promotions over a period of time when those promotions were only taking them back to the level they were at previously.Ultimately we are now at pretty much exactly the same level in the football pyramid as we were when Delia and MWJ took over so what is more relevant is whether you regard that as success, par or failure.[/quote]You''ve forgot to use trend analysis, that would solve this argument one and for all.Or maybe we could make all of the players lie head to foot and measure them, if D&W have the longest line they win if Chase has the longest he wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarclayWazza 91 Posted August 22, 2017 Take out the fact that its a negative poster that opened this, his point does stand. Pre McNally, a club such ourselves us should really have been looking at regularly establishing itself towards the top of the Championship and regular trips into the Premier League. After relegation in 1995, we only managed one Huckerby inspired promotion followed by a lack of investment to preserve that status and a regression to League One with an increasing debt.Installing Bowkett/McNally/Lambert miraculously got us out of the hole that we''d been sleepwalking towards for the previous 15 years but we''ve failed to build on that. What allowed this to happen? IMO, Delia taking too long to get rid of Hughton got us relegated then too long to get rid of Neil cost us at least a playoff push. Didn''t Southampton fire Nigel Adkins after he got them promoted to bring in a manager more suited to the top flight? Mentioning this more to draw a comparison between clubs run with foresight and clubs run under sentiment. And now, looking at how much better we were after Neil left, do we build on that? No we bring in a whole new philosophy which is essentially trying to copy what another team did last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites