Glaring mistakes

[Dean Coneys boots 1,423]

The glaring mistakes this year really stick in the craw as so many were obvious and avoidable. Here is my list- can you add any? 

1. BK8

2. Releasing Mario 

3. selling Emi 

4. not replacing Skipp and Tettey

5. Loaning Onel but keeping placheta 

6. change of tactic 

7. buying many not few 

8. buying young not established 

9. saving nothing for January 

10. Every single incoming transfer 

11. playing Gilmour after it was obvious he offers nothing 

12. mismanaging Toddy

13. keeping SW when his heart is on Everest 

14. Signing no physical players in summer 

15.  Refusal to seek new ownership 

 

[Branston Pickle 3,751]

Wow, that’s pretty astonishing - how come none of it has been discussed before?  

And of course some of it is utter garbage.

[hogesar 9,838]

It's hard to take the OP seriously when he said it was the best transfer window in living memory....

[Branston Pickle 3,751]

Indeed he did - this is hindsight at its best/worst.

[hertfordyellow 460]

6 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

The glaring mistakes this year really stick in the craw as so many were obvious and avoidable. Here is my list- can you add any? 

1. BK8

2. Releasing Mario 

3. selling Emi 

4. not replacing Skipp and Tettey

5. Loaning Onel but keeping placheta 

6. change of tactic 

7. buying many not few 

8. buying young not established 

9. saving nothing for January 

10. Every single incoming transfer 

11. playing Gilmour after it was obvious he offers nothing 

12. mismanaging Toddy

13. keeping SW when his heart is on Everest 

14. Signing no physical players in summer 

15.  Refusal to seek new ownership 

 

I started to engage this post point by point, then quickly realised it wasn’t worth it in the slightest.

[Capt. Pants 4,344]

6-14 sound reasonable to be fair.

15 is work in progress either through nature or protest

[KeiranShikari 1,492]

I think it mostly comes down to central midfield. Not replacing Skipp with a Premier League class DM has killed us again. If we sign one we probably see a lot more from the others as I don't think any of them are bad players.

[king canary 7,717]

11 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said:

I think it mostly comes down to central midfield. Not replacing Skipp with a Premier League class DM has killed us again. If we sign one we probably see a lot more from the others as I don't think any of them are bad players.

Yeah I largely agree with this. 

I'm not saying a proper holding midfielder keeps us up but the strategy in the middle of the park was all over the place. A proper DM maybe brings out some of the talent Gilmour clearly has, it helps Aarons and Giannoulis attack with more freedom, it leaves Gibson less exposed etc etc. 

All 20/20 hindsight but you take the money spend on Gunn, Normann and Tzolis and invest it into that position then things could have looked very different

[canarydan23 4,157]

Saving for January was a funny one. Considering we "saved for January" in 04/05 which meant we didn't get Ashton until half way through the season and the decision essentially relegated us.

[KeiranShikari 1,492]

1 minute ago, king canary said:

Yeah I largely agree with this. 

I'm not saying a proper holding midfielder keeps us up but the strategy in the middle of the park was all over the place. A proper DM maybe brings out some of the talent Gilmour clearly has, it helps Aarons and Giannoulis attack with more freedom, it leaves Gibson less exposed etc etc. 

All 20/20 hindsight but you take the money spend on Gunn, Normann and Tzolis and invest it into that position then things could have looked very different

I'm pretty sure Normann was only signed after other attempts at defensive midfieldershad had failed. As much as it's in vogue to trash Webber right now there's no way he didn't try.

Perhaps next window.

[rock bus 876]

6 minutes ago, king canary said:

Yeah I largely agree with this. 

I'm not saying a proper holding midfielder keeps us up but the strategy in the middle of the park was all over the place. A proper DM maybe brings out some of the talent Gilmour clearly has, it helps Aarons and Giannoulis attack with more freedom, it leaves Gibson less exposed etc etc. 

All 20/20 hindsight but you take the money spend on Gunn, Normann and Tzolis and invest it into that position then things could have looked very different

This is the big point for me.... this isnt 20/20 hindsight! There cant be a fan who didnt realise that the number one priority was to purchase a proper, decent DCM. The biggest failure of Webber/Farke/Recruitment team was not to prioritse this.

Maybe they were waiting for Skipp to make a decision but that was extremely foolish. We should have made the purchase of a cDM the number one prioriry and spent whatever was required to do it. We could then use the remainder of the budget to buy appropriate 'luxury' players.

[Ulfotto 671]

The biggest mistake was not backing Farke in 19/20 season. If we had throw cash in that season and bought a 20 million centre back, no 10 and defensive midfield player we might have stayed up.

Yes it’s hindsight but the way things have panned out basically going down taking the money and getting promoted again although this seemed sensible at the time it has lead to us rebuilding the team on the fly in the premier league.

Plus no one really mentions it but covid and the lost revenue has hurt Norwich more than most teams. It’s hard to rationalise that the majority of premier league teams broke there transfer record despite having no revenue from fans coming to the ground for 18 months.

[Paint Me Yellow 200]

16. Getting promoted in the first place

[Dean Coneys boots 1,423]

1 hour ago, Ulfotto said:

The biggest mistake was not backing Farke in 19/20 season. If we had throw cash in that season and bought a 20 million centre back, no 10 and defensive midfield player we might have stayed up.

Yes it’s hindsight but the way things have panned out basically going down taking the money and getting promoted again although this seemed sensible at the time it has lead to us rebuilding the team on the fly in the premier league.

Plus no one really mentions it but covid and the lost revenue has hurt Norwich more than most teams. It’s hard to rationalise that the majority of premier league teams broke there transfer record despite having no revenue from fans coming to the ground for 18 months.

I’d argue the biggest mistake was signing players with an eye to future sales rather than immediate impact. And that boils down to the failed model and lack of funding 

[Mello Yello 2,319]

Don't criticise the club!.....The loyal troops of the NCFC equivalent of the 77th Brigade will be on you like a ton o' bricks.....

[Midlands Yellow 4,127]

Not selling Max when his stock was at its highest. A fantastic servant to this club but the lad is going backwards now. Sell him in the summer (just as much for his sake) and buy someone who can replicate what Buendia did in the Championship. Go get Hamer from Coventry. 

 

[Duncan Edwards 2,274]

2 hours ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

The glaring mistakes this year really stick in the craw as so many were obvious and avoidable. Here is my list- can you add any? 

1. BK8

2. Releasing Mario 

3. selling Emi 

4. not replacing Skipp and Tettey

5. Loaning Onel but keeping placheta 

6. change of tactic 

7. buying many not few 

8. buying young not established 

9. saving nothing for January 

10. Every single incoming transfer 

11. playing Gilmour after it was obvious he offers nothing 

12. mismanaging Toddy

13. keeping SW when his heart is on Everest 

14. Signing no physical players in summer 

15.  Refusal to seek new ownership 

 

So, we should have:

1. Not had BK8 as a sponsor

2. Kept Vrancic

3. Kept Emi

4. Bought replacements for Skipp and Tettey

5. Kept Hernandez, got rid of Placheta

6. Played like last time in the Prem

7. Bought fewer players

8. Bought older players

9. Not bought players so we could buy players in January

10. Not bought any players 

11. Not played the players we didn’t buy

12. Done better with the players that we didn’t buy that weren’t playing

13. Sacked our sporting director when we’d just asked him to sign a new contract, because he wanted to do something that he’d told us about and we’d factored in to his new contract

14. We should have signed physical players amongst the fewer and no players we should have bought according to 7&10

15. We should have made enough shares available for sale so we could have new owners. Like there are.

Christ, and I thought it was difficult before. I think 3&4 probably have some merit but the rest just make it sound like you were expecting miracles.

[Dean Coneys boots 1,423]

10. No bought different players! 

[shefcanary 2,506]

Actually, from what has transpired in the past week, the biggest mistake was actually pre-season, when the Board failed to appoint a proper CEO who could be accountable to the Board and keep Ward/ Webber / Kensell in check, keeping them focussed on their jobs rather than feed their own ego's.  The current corporate governance is a mess, allowing executive's to manage the Board rather than the other way round.  Something has to change on this front and perhaps the current abuse of his position by Webber will drive real change. 

Note, I haven't mentioned anything about the playing front here, the mess there is a symptom of the lack of accountability within the club.

[Duncan Edwards 2,274]

2 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

10. No bought different players! 

Fewer, older, different players while keeping a reserve for January despite keeping sold players and already replacing players released. 😉

[Dean Coneys boots 1,423]

Or in layman’s terms- the recruitment was an absolute shower both in terms of outgoing and incoming 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

All his points have, arguably, some merit, particularly in hindsight. And if we were to assume they are all correct, that means the whole club from top to bottom, made glaring mistakes.

It now appears the biggest mistake was, considering he had mooted this season was his last, either D&M or the Board, apparently begging Webber to stay.

Surely nobody believes that the summer recruitment was a success, particularly after the statement about heavily arming the coach this time. Surely nobody can believe that spending £49.1M to make us a Championship club at best is the mark of someone who knows what they are doing.

I am not going to compare us to other clubs because there is no point in those comparisons. I just care that my club has spent more money than it ever has to make it a worse team than the one that got us promotion.

[AJ 1,238]

Poor recruitment again has been our issue this season, signing players based on promise only gets you so far and the PL is a different kettle of fish. Farke didn't appear to have the tactical ability to stay in the PL, and Webber doesn't appear to have the recruitment ability to keep us there either. 

[Mengo 826]

32 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

Actually, from what has transpired in the past week, the biggest mistake was actually pre-season, when the Board failed to appoint a proper CEO who could be accountable to the Board and keep Ward/ Webber / Kensell in check, keeping them focussed on their jobs rather than feed their own ego's.  The current corporate governance is a mess, allowing executive's to manage the Board rather than the other way round.  Something has to change on this front and perhaps the current abuse of his position by Webber will drive real change. 

Note, I haven't mentioned anything about the playing front here, the mess there is a symptom of the lack of accountability within the club.

💯 % Shef.

The current corporate governance is a mess, allowing executive's to manage the Board rather than the other way round. 

can I be so bold to put it another way.

THE TAIL WAGGING THE 🐕 DOG.

 

[Google Bot 3,400]

408. Succumbing to the vector graphic movement and allowing the club canary to be polygon'd up to an inch of it's poor life.

HERETICS!!!!

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

23 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

408. Succumbing to the vector graphic movement and allowing the club canary to be polygon'd up to an inch of it's poor life.

HERETICS!!!!

Sack em all. Man the barricades and save the last bullet for yourself.

Edited April 26, 2022 by keelansgrandad

[(Hoola)Han Solo 324]

At least two specialist defensive midfielders need to be signed in the summer on a permanent basis. Next season is vital in building a dynamic and fully functioning midfield for the long term. And players can be added to it to improve when needed. Most teams in the Premier League play at least one holding midfielder, if not two, and the fact we chose not to was suicide.

[Google Bot 3,400]

10 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Man the barricades and save the last bullet for yourself.

Oh, if only Delia yelled that on the mic when she'd had one too many sherbets.

[Capt. Pants 4,344]

17. Replacing the sacked manager with one even worse.

[Move Klose 303]

6 hours ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

The glaring mistakes this year really stick in the craw as so many were obvious and avoidable. Here is my list- can you add any? 

1. BK8

2. Releasing Mario 

3. selling Emi 

4. not replacing Skipp and Tettey

5. Loaning Onel but keeping placheta 

6. change of tactic 

7. buying many not few 

8. buying young not established 

9. saving nothing for January 

10. Every single incoming transfer 

11. playing Gilmour after it was obvious he offers nothing 

12. mismanaging Toddy

13. keeping SW when his heart is on Everest 

14. Signing no physical players in summer 

15.  Refusal to seek new ownership 

 

1. Bit of a disaster

2. Wasn't good enough at prem level, that's why he's know at Stoke.

3. That's the only way we kept him in the champ, was to promise a move the following summer.

4. Agree, disaster.

5. Both not good enough.

6. Strange move, I get the thinking behind it but just didn't work or get the right players to play 433.

7. Alot players needed replacing, unfortunately replacements weren't good enough.

8. Tbf Tzolis was probably the only one who comes into that category, lack of prem experience was probably the issue regarding signings.

9. Risky move, didn't pay off.

10. 3 or 4 shouldve paid off, injuries to Rashica, Normann, Kabak haven't helped the cause.

11. Maybe the pennies finally dropped on that one.

12. Cantwells gotta help himself, he can't get ahead of ryan Christie that says alot.

13. Heads gone.

14. One of if not the biggest failings this season.

15. Naive to shut yourself off from any sort of further income