Inch High aka Inchy.. 409 Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said: If its all paper talk and Dean Smith isn't our new manager then yes. If Dean Smith is our new manager, then lets all hope it doesn't and I'm right. In a week full of public man tantrums about Lampard based on a talksport rumour though, I'll take being a bit embarrassed about being excited about Dean Smith. I'm talking more if he's appointed manager. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,276 Posted November 13, 2021 People saying Smith had £xxx m to spend but isn't Villa's set up the same as ours with a Sporting Director (Johan Lange) in charge of recruitment? Highly possible Smith wasn't happy with the incomings no more than Farke was with ours. If two successive Head Coaches fail to get much out of this squad, then can we assume Webber has failed? Of course it all depends on whether results improve along with performances, and hopefully they will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Move Klose 303 Posted November 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said: Yeah, being honest and it sinking in I'm starting to see more of the positives, wouldn't go as far as buzzing but not as 'hmph' as I was earlier. That's fair Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted November 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, Inch High aka Inchy.. said: I'm talking more if he's appointed manager. Well lets all hope that it goes well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted November 13, 2021 Of course we have to welcome him. He is our new coach so we move on from any disappointments and look forward to him turning this awful season around. Office staff better check the mail when it arrives. Two D Smith's could end up with us playing a rough puff pastry system and cooking two holding midfield players. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,299 Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) Initially felt a little down when reading Bailey confirming the job being offered, which suggests this is nailed on to be true. However, been reading more about Smith, watching highlights and a few videos where people access his tactics as a coach. And I'm feeling much more upbeat. I just hope he can make us press a little better and tighter defence - Defensively he has to be an upgrade. Plus is a good experienced man to give a fresh assessment on what we have here and how we build up from this point. Also saw that Jack Grealish called him "the goat" within hours of losing his job, just shows that he has great connection with the players. There's many ideologies he will continue with I believe, such as playing it out from the back and very similar formation style to Farke so more of a progression job than a rewrite I expect? I really want the Gilmour situation to be sorted one way or the other now though, if Lampard goes to Rangers I don't think you could put a chainsaw between him being recalled and linked up again. We have him here through the Tuchel/Farke link, perhaps it's in our favour to approach Chelsea once Smith is in place and take out any disruptions early. Edited November 13, 2021 by Google Bot 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kanadyan Kanary 121 Posted November 13, 2021 Why is everyone lauding up Shakespeare? He was with Smith when he got sacked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,299 Posted November 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Kanadyan Kanary said: Why is everyone lauding up Shakespeare? He was with Smith when he got sacked. An upgrade on Riemer though, you'd hope. Has worked alongside Nigel Pearson, Claudio Ranieri & Sam Allardyce. So there's some real applicable experience in there. You don't only learn from successes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,477 Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Inch High aka Inchy.. said: I get the feeling that very quickly this post is going to come back and bite you on the ar*e. Your narrow minded attitude and inability to give a new situation a chance will do the same for you, I suspect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,247 Posted November 13, 2021 I wouldn’t say I was buzzing, but given the guys experience, what we need and if Webber’s putting his faith in him I’m totally behind the choice. I think that counts as buzzing, maybe even off the walls delirious, when you read some of the stuff on here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,606 Posted November 13, 2021 There'll be some buzzin' when the family tree's had some scrutiny.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted November 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: There'll be some buzzin' when the family tree's had some scrutiny.... Much more interested in Craig Shakespeare's family tree. There's a chance of literary genius, but also a chance that he's got an uncle who makes budget fishing tackle. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hackney Canary 97 Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, HoolaOHoolahan said: If Stuart Webbers shortlist was headed up by Frank Lampard and Dean Smith it's a poor show for a Director of Football. If we do get Dean Smith I will get behind him with support but this feels like a backwards step. Underwhelming. I think you’re making a stick to beat Webber with out of limited knowledge here. I’m sure others have made this point, but it is possible that Deano was not on the original shortlist (which could well have had other names than Lampard on it), became an option and then performed so impressively that he outshone the other candidates. I’m pretty sure that the first mention of him in connection with the job was something about how he had impressed the hierarch with his understanding of the players and the club. I was a bit underwhelmed to start with - was excited by the idea of who Webber must have had in mind - but I’m now fully on board with the new man. In Deano I trust. (Assuming he accepts; it would be horrible if he turned it down). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
City 101 83 Posted November 13, 2021 Just cannot see how somebody who could not get that Villa squad winning is going to get the **** we have in our squad winning . Fully expect to be down by Christmas. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hackney Canary 97 Posted November 13, 2021 1 minute ago, City 101 said: Just cannot see how somebody who could not get that Villa squad winning is going to get the **** we have in our squad winning . Fully expect to be down by Christmas. Never mind the danger! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted November 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, City 101 said: Just cannot see how somebody who could not get that Villa squad winning is going to get the **** we have in our squad winning . Fully expect to be down by Christmas. At least his Villa team could score goals, 14 this season against our 5, so we might go down but at least Pukki might have some fun and we won't all be bored to death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Penelope Catchpole 32 Posted November 13, 2021 Nice articulate post, OP. I’m going to get behind Smith, and hope he and Shakespeare can pull this squad together and get us climbing up the table. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,821 Posted November 13, 2021 Of all the candidates discussed I simply think Smith gives us the best chance of staying in the EPL. All the rest realistically discussed either have zero EPL experience (with no time to learn for us) or little relegation battle nous or experience. Smith ticks all the boxes. It's a good call. Onwards and upwards! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted November 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Ken Hairy said: Yeah, being honest and it sinking in I'm starting to see more of the positives, wouldn't go as far as buzzing but not as 'hmph' as I was earlier. I thought if I went to almost Lakey-esque levels of optimistic in my OP (when Lakey is his usual self, he's had a whinge this week) then it would balance out the tantrum throwers and we'd find an equilibrium which sits at least somewhere around "he's worth a punt" point. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarydan23 4,060 Posted November 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said: I thought if I went to almost Lakey-esque levels of optimistic in my OP (when Lakey is his usual self, he's had a whinge this week) then it would balance out the tantrum throwers and we'd find an equilibrium which sits at least somewhere around "he's worth a punt" point. Whinge and tantrum. B*gger, I was a "Princess" and a "wet-wipe" away from winning TeemuVanBasten Bingo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted November 13, 2021 1 minute ago, canarydan23 said: Whinge and tantrum. B*gger, I was a "Princess" and a "wet-wipe" away from winning TeemuVanBasten Bingo. You definitely have Pink'un Princess of the Week in the bag canarydan23, don't you worry about that, Lakey has woken up with a sense of perspective today and you've carried on your droning never-ending moanathon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,397 Posted November 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said: Of all the candidates discussed I simply think Smith gives us the best chance of staying in the EPL. All the rest realistically discussed either have zero EPL experience (with no time to learn for us) or little relegation battle nous or experience. Smith ticks all the boxes. It's a good call. Onwards and upwards! If Webber was looking for someone to keep us in the Premier League, why did Smith's name come up with a "Yes", when Smith's previous employers (who are 5 points better off) asked themselves the same question and came up with a "No". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,338 Posted November 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, ricardo said: If Webber was looking for someone to keep us in the Premier League, why did Smith's name come up with a "Yes", when Smith's previous employers (who are 5 points better off) asked themselves the same question and came up with a "No". I'm not sure Villa were worried about getting relegated this year, but they're certainly way way off their supposed "push for Europe" that they were spouting over the summer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,310 Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, ricardo said: If Webber was looking for someone to keep us in the Premier League, why did Smith's name come up with a "Yes", when Smith's previous employers (who are 5 points better off) asked themselves the same question and came up with a "No". If you had bothered to read the Villa fans who have posted on various threads you would have seen they fully expected Smith to keep them up but believe their wealthy owner decided he wanted to punt for a lot more than that. So your dichotomy is a false one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,247 Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, ricardo said: If Webber was looking for someone to keep us in the Premier League, why did Smith's name come up with a "Yes", when Smith's previous employers (who are 5 points better off) asked themselves the same question and came up with a "No". They could be proved wrong in that decision and Webber could be proved right. If every sacked manager was unemployable at their previous level the PL would quickly run out. Ultimately we have a 5 point gap and goal difference to make up between now and the end of the season, the odds aren’t in our favour, but Webber thinks they are more in our favour with Smith. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarydan23 4,060 Posted November 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said: You definitely have Pink'un Princess of the Week in the bag canarydan23, don't you worry about that, Lakey has woken up with a sense of perspective today and you've carried on your droning never-ending moanathon. Just wet-wipe now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Great Mass Debater 1,092 Posted November 13, 2021 2 hours ago, essex canary said: Smith is a true footballing professional who has built his reputation through smaller clubs and with knowledge of the English game up to the highest level. Why should anyone doubt him? Because he's supposed to be better than Farke. If not for dodgy goal-line technology, Villa would have come down with us. If that goal had been correctly given, there'd be none of this 'Smith kept Villa up with only £143m!' stuff. There is no reason in my mind to think that Smith will be any more successful than Farke. And that was supposed to be the point of replacing him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,105 Posted November 13, 2021 3 hours ago, The Great Mass Debater said: So, had Villa waited a week before deciding to dispense with Smith, who would we actually be appointing? If it's Smith, this is an opportunistic appointment. So what was Webber's masterplan? Cuz it wasnt this. Never underestimate the inner workings of football Webber would’ve known about smiths departure at least 2-3 days before it was announced Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Great Mass Debater 1,092 Posted November 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Yobocop said: Never underestimate the inner workings of football Webber would’ve known about smiths departure at least 2-3 days before it was announced Would you not prefer a pic of Yobo in a Norwich shirt? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,105 Posted November 13, 2021 Just now, The Great Mass Debater said: Would you not prefer a pic of Yobo in a Norwich shirt? Naaaa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites