Wolves in meltown?

[Michael Starr 583]

The wheels seem to be coming off at Wolves which is good news for us. Their manager walked. Their star player is aggressively pushing for an exit. The fans seem to think that the money has dried up and now they are being linked with journeyman.

[TheGunnShow 7,470]

Just now, Michael Starr said:

The wheels seem to be coming off at Wolves which is good news for us. Their manager walked. Their star player is aggressively pushing for an exit. The fans seem to think that the money has dried up and now they are being linked with journeyman.

He might be going to Palace. That could be interesting considering the number of players that have contracts running out.

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,486]

Nuno was sacked, he didn't walk.

They have some FFP issues so need to sell some players, but have a squad loaded with excellent young talent. They will also have Jimenez back next season which was a huge loss to them. I think they will be midtable again, but probably won't be in any danger of relegation. 

If Neves does get sold for around £35m as rumoured I think it shows the depression in the transfer market and makes the Buendia deal look better.

[king canary 8,944]

4 minutes ago, Michael Starr said:

The wheels seem to be coming off at Wolves which is good news for us. Their manager walked. Their star player is aggressively pushing for an exit. The fans seem to think that the money has dried up and now they are being linked with journeyman.

Did he walk or was he let go? Wolves were pretty poor last season.

The money point is interesting- it does seem like they've stopped being so aggressive in the transfer market and are more happy to settle for mid-table rather than really push for the top 6 like they were before.

[wcorkcanary 4,839]

7 minutes ago, king canary said:

Did he walk or was he let go? Wolves were pretty poor last season.

The money point is interesting- it does seem like they've stopped being so aggressive in the transfer market and are more happy to settle for mid-table rather than really push for the top 6 like they were before.

Just been announced on irish radio that former Benfica manager Jorge Jesus is new manager at Wolves. 

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,486]

1 minute ago, wcorkcanary said:

Just been announced on irish radio that former Benfica manager Jorge Jesus is new manager at Wolves. 

Well, they got that wrong as it is Bruno Lage...

[Canary Wundaboy 1,424]

I can't see them being relegation contenders, and having Jimenez back will be a major improvement for them, but it does feel like a bit of the spark has gone out.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,736]

2 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Just been announced on irish radio that former Benfica manager Jorge Jesus is new manager at Wolves. 

It's Bruno Lage, not Jorge Jesus.

EDIT: Beaten to it

Edited June 9, 2021 by Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man

[wcorkcanary 4,839]

Just now, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

Well, they got that wrong as it is Bruno Lage...

Yep, they've just corrected themselves.  Egg on faces  seems a common thing this week.

[Fuzzar 1,878]

I wouldn't put them in the group of favourites to go down but, equally, it wouldn't surprise me if they struggle next season.

[Dr Greenthumb 801]

22 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

Nuno was sacked, he didn't walk.

They have some FFP issues so need to sell some players, but have a squad loaded with excellent young talent. They will also have Jimenez back next season which was a huge loss to them. I think they will be midtable again, but probably won't be in any danger of relegation. 

If Neves does get sold for around £35m as rumoured I think it shows the depression in the transfer market and makes the Buendia deal look better.

Can you see Jimenez being the same player?

[The Real Buh 3,802]

Who are they sponsored by?

[Krul Mistress 36]

1 hour ago, The Real Buh said:

Who are they sponsored by?

You're fun.

[Kenny Foggo 1,205]

Do they have lots of gentlemen's agreements in place?

[Mr Angry 2,094]

3 hours ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

Nuno was sacked, he didn't walk.

They have some FFP issues so need to sell some players, but have a squad loaded with excellent young talent. They will also have Jimenez back next season which was a huge loss to them. I think they will be midtable again, but probably won't be in any danger of relegation. 

If Neves does get sold for around £35m as rumoured I think it shows the depression in the transfer market and makes the Buendia deal look better.

What was the reason for sacking him?

[king canary 8,944]

5 minutes ago, Mr Angry said:

What was the reason for sacking him?

The football being quite **** last season I think.

[Capt. Pants 5,152]

Nuno is a bit overrated imo and Wolves got a bit found out last season.

Could be a club we can nick a couple of points off.

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,486]

16 minutes ago, Mr Angry said:

What was the reason for sacking him?

As King say they regressed into a boring, defensive football. I think the owners also felt it was time to mix things up, Nuno had been there a long time and many clubs don't want head coaches to become too ingrained as it creates a stale atmosphere. 

I wouldn't be surprised if there is quite a refresh over the summer for them - the coach they have brought in is a specialist at working with youth players, so it seems likely they will focus on that side of things.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,932]

Given Nuno turned Wolves into the Portgual national B team (and went as far as changing the 2nd and 3rd kit to match the Portguese flag..) should it really be surprising that most of his team want out now he's gone?

 

He was the only thing keeping them there and I think we all already knew that

Edited June 9, 2021 by cambridgeshire canary

[king canary 8,944]

9 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Given Nuno turned Wolves into the Portgual national B team (and went as far as changing the 2nd and 3rd kit to match the Portguese flag..) should it really be surprising that most of his team want out now he's gone?

 

He was the only thing keeping them there and I think we all already knew that

That wasn't driven by him- that was driven by the owners and their close relationship with certain super agents with interests in that part of the world- hence why you had the insane situation of players like Ruben Neves and Diogo Jota who were Champions League regulars playing in the Championship. 

All the reports do suggest Nuno was very popular though and players are sad to see him go- not sure many will be forcing their way out though.

[Terminally Yellow 2,614]

Aren't they similar in operating as we do, namely with Nuno as (formerly) their head coach rather than a manager?

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,486]

Just now, Terminally Yellow said:

Aren't they similar in operating as we do, namely with Nuno as (formerly) their head coach rather than a manager?

They operate a more extreme version where Nuno had pretty much zero say in transfers and it is largely guided by Jorge Mendes and his Gestifute agency (who own a small part of the club). This is often denied by both Wolves and Gestifute, but they regularly buy players who are represented by Mendes and their new coach is a Mendes client also.

[lake district canary 4,878]

It can only help us if other clubs have a bit of turmoil or change.  That is Palace (who Santo is no longer going to) and Wolves who may struggle along with traditional strugglers like Newcastle, Watford, add Burnley and Brentford to that and you get an idea of who will likely be at the lower end of the table next season.  If we are as good as we can be, we can rise above them and even higher.

[curious yellow 184]

Evidently hopes of bringing in Jesus have been resurrected. 

He gets a lot praise but has a high opinion of himself. 

Sorry. 

[Mr Angry 2,094]

35 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

As King say they regressed into a boring, defensive football. I think the owners also felt it was time to mix things up, Nuno had been there a long time and many clubs don't want head coaches to become too ingrained as it creates a stale atmosphere. 

I wouldn't be surprised if there is quite a refresh over the summer for them - the coach they have brought in is a specialist at working with youth players, so it seems likely they will focus on that side of things.

Seems very harsh, would they have adopted that style if Jiminez had been available all season?

[AJ 1,377]

48 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

As King say they regressed into a boring, defensive football. I think the owners also felt it was time to mix things up, Nuno had been there a long time and many clubs don't want head coaches to become too ingrained as it creates a stale atmosphere. 

I wouldn't be surprised if there is quite a refresh over the summer for them - the coach they have brought in is a specialist at working with youth players, so it seems likely they will focus on that side of things.

I don't claim to have a deep knowledge of Wolves affairs, but they also seemed to let a few key players go and not bother reinvesting (Doherty/Jota) which probably didn't help

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,486]

2 minutes ago, AJ said:

I don't claim to have a deep knowledge of Wolves affairs, but they also seemed to let a few key players go and not bother reinvesting (Doherty/Jota) which probably didn't help

Well, they signed Semedo and Fabio Silva for about £50m in those positions.

15 minutes ago, Mr Angry said:

Seems very harsh, would they have adopted that style if Jiminez had been available all season?

I think Nuno's race was run unless he did something remarkable like finish in the top 6. Many clubs use a train of thought that after 5 or so years coaches become a bit stale and players don't play as well for them anymore. Nuno was brought in initially to get Wolves promoted and establish them in the Prem - they are now looking for someone to develop the excellent young players the club has (and spend a significant amount on) and maybe they feel Nuno isn't that man.

[birchfest 401]

1 hour ago, Capt. Pants said:

Nuno is a bit overrated imo and Wolves got a bit found out last season.

Could be a club we can nick a couple of points off.

My view too, I have no reason to think they will be in big problems but I'd fancy us to give them a game. Hopefully we can make more of a fist of it at their place too! 

[Mr Angry 2,094]

8 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

Well, they signed Semedo and Fabio Silva for about £50m in those positions.

I think Nuno's race was run unless he did something remarkable like finish in the top 6. Many clubs use a train of thought that after 5 or so years coaches become a bit stale and players don't play as well for them anymore. Nuno was brought in initially to get Wolves promoted and establish them in the Prem - they are now looking for someone to develop the excellent young players the club has (and spend a significant amount on) and maybe they feel Nuno isn't that man.

Ok, that’s fair enough-but then why extend his contract to 2023 at the start of last season? They didn’t think that through very well!

[AJ 1,377]

11 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

Well, they signed Semedo and Fabio Silva for about £50m in those positions.

I think Nuno's race was run unless he did something remarkable like finish in the top 6. Many clubs use a train of thought that after 5 or so years coaches become a bit stale and players don't play as well for them anymore. Nuno was brought in initially to get Wolves promoted and establish them in the Prem - they are now looking for someone to develop the excellent young players the club has (and spend a significant amount on) and maybe they feel Nuno isn't that man.

Fabio scored 4 goals in 32 games. Makes him slightly better than Ricky VanWolfswinkel I suppose!

The whole 'coaches go stale' mantra is an interesting one, its true you rarely see coaches stay at clubs like Wenger/Fergie of the past but it does happen. Dyche has been at Burnley for almost 9 years, Kloop at 'Pool for nearly 6, and Pep for nearly 5 but on the whole it rings true. In fact, 78/92 managers in the football league have been with their club less than 3 years, 64 (more than 2/3rds!) less than 2 years, and 49 less than 1 year, and 25% of current managers have been at their club for LESS than 100 days. Football is a mad business, isn't it.

For the record, Daniel is the 12th longest serving manager in professional English football.