BK8 the new sponsor?

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,431]

13 hours ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

Worth pointing out that BK8 isn’t actually a Chinese company. It just promotes itself to Chinese customers. Sports betting regulations are extremely tough in China, so most companies are based outside of the country. BK8 is Malaysian for example. 

Also, because the Chinese state is abhorrent, it doesn’t mean Chinese people or companies should be tarred with the same brush. The Chinese State aren’t proposing to sponsors Norwich’s shirts. 

Many of the online betting companies are based in Malta - the Maltese offer tax incentives . Leo Vegas are , as are Progress Play ltd for whom BK8 is a trading name . 
 

[Alex Moss 2,165]

Well, at least Fred will be happy we’ve got our first stinking rich Chinese investor

Not bothered by the logo myself as long as the shirt itself is awesome 👍

[Yobocop 1,099]

On 26/05/2021 at 14:14, Browno said:

Well I can confirm it's Joma 👍

Did David McNally tweet you that? 😉

[Indy_Bones 441]

12 hours ago, Terminally Yellow said:

It's utterly naive and incredibly condescending to those who do have to deal with these issues to have these views. It's "I'm alright Jack" at its most selfish.

There's a reason cigarettes aren't advertised anymore. There's a reason advertisement of  alcohol is limited. Like gambling, these are all things that destroy lives.

How advertising for gambling continues to remain so poorly restricted in the most popular professional sport on earth is both an absolute travesty and a disgrace. And until views like yours change, it will continue to play it's part in the ruination of individual lives.

But hey - as long as you're alright, eh Indy?

Alcohol advertising is limited - give me a break. There may well be restrictions on how it's portrayed, and what age people can be used to promote it etc, but that hasn't stopped the daily adverts for it in the slightest. Between the manufacturers and the supermarkets, there's a HUGE amount of advertising for alcoholic products, and nobody bats an eyelid when a new cider is promoted, or when a supermarket happily tells you that you can get 3 crates of lager for £20 on a tv AD, but dare suggest someone have a cheeky punt on the football, and suddenly they're ruining lives...

Shall we also ban the likes of Nike from advertising, because of those people that end up with a shoe closet the size of Colney full of Air Jordans? I suppose that's Nike's fault is it?

How about we tell Apple they can't advertise anymore, as it promotes a wasteful culture of people who absolutely "Must" have the new iPhone, and will happily sell half of what they own to replace the model they got last year?

If a car company advertises their new 'sport' model, and someone gets addicted to driving way too quickly and ends up in a head on collision at over 100mph, is that suddenly BMW's or Toyota's fault????

ALL adverts from profit making organisations are designed to make part people with their money, and whilst you can argue there are varying degrees of how likely someone is to get addicted to what product or service they are selling, you can't take a personal moral high ground and instantly expect everyone else to agree and condemn one, whilst not giving a damn about the others.

I know a guy who absolutely HAS to have at least 3 Costa Coffee's (along with a snack or two from them) every day, we're talking about a daily spend of £15-20 in a Coffee shop, which over a month is £350+ spent, and that's apparently fine, nobody has an issue with places like Costa or Starbucks advertising, but it's not ok for the same person to spend the same amount gambling, because the adverts made them do it???

In the above example, it shouldn't matter if the guy is buying Caramel Macchiato's or putting a quid on each football league match as a bet, the amount of money spent is basically the same, and as long as they can afford it, it's personal choice and nothing to do with the rest of us. If they CAN'T afford that level of spending, and spiral downwards getting to the point of pawning items, selling houses or even theft to pay for their 'habit', the issue is still the same, but because one addiction is trendy caffeine beverages and the other is gambling, one gets a free pass, the other is vilified...

This isn't about me taking a hard-nosed, uncaring view and not feeling for people dealing with addiction, but I do ask for people to take accountability for their choices, and not simply play a blame game, passing the entire emphasis away from them and on to other people or companies, as if they had a gun to their head and there was no other option than to dump all their money into betting, beer or even beefburgers!

[CDMullins 436]

5 hours ago, Indy_Bones said:

Alcohol advertising is limited - give me a break. There may well be restrictions on how it's portrayed, and what age people can be used to promote it etc, but that hasn't stopped the daily adverts for it in the slightest. Between the manufacturers and the supermarkets, there's a HUGE amount of advertising for alcoholic products, and nobody bats an eyelid when a new cider is promoted, or when a supermarket happily tells you that you can get 3 crates of lager for £20 on a tv AD, but dare suggest someone have a cheeky punt on the football, and suddenly they're ruining lives...

Shall we also ban the likes of Nike from advertising, because of those people that end up with a shoe closet the size of Colney full of Air Jordans? I suppose that's Nike's fault is it?

How about we tell Apple they can't advertise anymore, as it promotes a wasteful culture of people who absolutely "Must" have the new iPhone, and will happily sell half of what they own to replace the model they got last year?

If a car company advertises their new 'sport' model, and someone gets addicted to driving way too quickly and ends up in a head on collision at over 100mph, is that suddenly BMW's or Toyota's fault????

ALL adverts from profit making organisations are designed to make part people with their money, and whilst you can argue there are varying degrees of how likely someone is to get addicted to what product or service they are selling, you can't take a personal moral high ground and instantly expect everyone else to agree and condemn one, whilst not giving a damn about the others.

I know a guy who absolutely HAS to have at least 3 Costa Coffee's (along with a snack or two from them) every day, we're talking about a daily spend of £15-20 in a Coffee shop, which over a month is £350+ spent, and that's apparently fine, nobody has an issue with places like Costa or Starbucks advertising, but it's not ok for the same person to spend the same amount gambling, because the adverts made them do it???

In the above example, it shouldn't matter if the guy is buying Caramel Macchiato's or putting a quid on each football league match as a bet, the amount of money spent is basically the same, and as long as they can afford it, it's personal choice and nothing to do with the rest of us. If they CAN'T afford that level of spending, and spiral downwards getting to the point of pawning items, selling houses or even theft to pay for their 'habit', the issue is still the same, but because one addiction is trendy caffeine beverages and the other is gambling, one gets a free pass, the other is vilified...

This isn't about me taking a hard-nosed, uncaring view and not feeling for people dealing with addiction, but I do ask for people to take accountability for their choices, and not simply play a blame game, passing the entire emphasis away from them and on to other people or companies, as if they had a gun to their head and there was no other option than to dump all their money into betting, beer or even beefburgers!

Halle - f**king - Lujah

[Mason 47 1,379]

Sticking your head in the sand so you can't see the addictive nasties doesn't mean you've solved the problem.

If the logo works well with the shirt, that's about as far as I worry about the sponsor. Life is too short.

 

[Tetteys Jig 830]

Well there it is then... confirmation of BK8...

Seems to be getting some roasting this morning... probably go the same way as the fine coffee specialists from Galway did 🤣 we really aren't cut out to operate at the top level are we...

[Ian 1,129]

Jesus Christ.

Regardless of what you think about the evils of gambling, how the hell did this one get through due diligence given what a cursory glance at their Instagram pages shows? You would suspect somebody (maybe even the COO) will be in a great deal of trouble over this.

Given this is the club's new major flagship sponsor, the very best it makes us look utterly incompetent and not even capable of performing basic due diligence. At worst, I am not even sure what it would imply.

[HertsCanary93 222]

Not sure I've ever been more embarrassed to be a Norwich Fan than when I went onto the bk8 Instagram page.

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

Well, epic lowlights here at around 4:24. Crikey...
 

 

[HertsCanary93 222]

1 minute ago, HertsCanary93 said:

Not sure I've ever been more embarrassed to be a Norwich Fan than when I went onto the bk8 Instagram page.

 

1 minute ago, TheGunnShow said:

Well, epic lowlights here at around 4:24. Crikey...
 

 

I retract my statement. This is now the most embarrassed I've been.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,720]

3 minutes ago, HertsCanary93 said:

 

I retract my statement. This is now the most embarrassed I've been.

You sure?

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

2 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

You sure?

Yeah, it's hardly Gangnam Style, is it?

[Ian 1,129]

1 minute ago, TheGunnShow said:

Yeah, it's hardly Gangnam Style, is it?

Yeah, I would put hot-dog deep throating contests above scantily clad ladies in the "not a good look for a family football club" ratings.

Perhaps they were floating some new half-time entertainment ideas?!

This actually gets worse and worse the more I think about it considering these are all freely available on this company's Instagram and Youtube pages. Absolutely new levels of incompetence from the club.

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

1 minute ago, Ian said:

Yeah, I would put hot-dog deep throating contests above scantily clad ladies in the "not a good look for a family football club" ratings.

Perhaps they were floating some new half-time entertainment ideas?!

This actually gets worse and worse the more I think about it considering these are all freely available on this company's Instagram and Youtube pages. Absolutely new levels of incompetence from the club.

I fully agree. Definitely think someone was guilty of looking at the finances instead of the figures.

[Mello Yello 2,294]

[MORDENCANARY 71]

I get the feeling the club did not carry put due diligence when considering the shirt sponsor. Oh I wish we could go back to the more innocent days of Poll &Withey.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,720]

6 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

I fully agree. Definitely think someone was guilty of looking at the finances instead of the figures.

Yeah, pretty sure this was it. BK8 roll up, offer more money than anyone else and all 'yes we are pro bussness just trust us bro' and some tecnology inept idiot just accepted that without looking into it. Which, even if that's the case, is very poor and somebody should be fired for doing so.

 

Because let's be real if whoever approved this company to be our sponser knew about all of this.. uh.. 'family friendly' stuff and still accepted it then serious questions need to be asked.

[KeiranShikari 1,412]

My bet is they knew about most of the ad stuff and just decided to hunker down and wait for the twitter soy storm to pass and then get back to trying to stay in the Premier League.

 

 

Edited June 7, 2021 by KeiranShikari

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

5 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Yeah, pretty sure this was it. BK8 roll up, offer more money than anyone else and all 'yes we are pro bussness just trust us bro' and some tecnology inept idiot just accepted that without looking into it. Which, even if that's the case, is very poor and somebody should be fired for doing so.

 

Because let's be real if whoever approved this company to be our sponser knew about all of this.. uh.. 'family friendly' stuff and still accepted it then serious questions need to be asked.

It's so bad it's actually hilarious. And I fully agree that questions really do have to be asked, and am heartened that @Feedthewolf has said it will get discussed at the next fans meeting.

Not the finest 24 hours in NCFC history, that's for sure.

[Feedthewolf 4,846]

2 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

It's so bad it's actually hilarious. And I fully agree that questions really do have to be asked, and am heartened that @Feedthewolf has said it will get discussed at the next fans meeting.

Not the finest 24 hours in NCFC history, that's for sure.

Myself and the chairman have already made contact with the club on the matter. I'll be making no further comments in my capacity as a member of the supporters' forum, the ball is now firmly in the club's court.

[HertsCanary93 222]

I would genuinely encourage fans to lodge complaints to the club through official channels to let them know decisions like this are unacceptable.

Regardless of your views on gambling - this is an embarrassment to the club and its core values.

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

Just now, Feedthewolf said:

Myself and the chairman have already made contact with the club on the matter. I'll be making no further comments in my capacity as a member of the supporters' forum, the ball is now firmly in the club's court.

Fair play, I understand.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,720]

5 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

Myself and the chairman have already made contact with the club on the matter. I'll be making no further comments in my capacity as a member of the supporters' forum, the ball is now firmly in the club's court.

Fair enough, 'for legal reasons I can't say more' yada yada I get all that, Just please make sure the club and all those who work for it know how disgusted and upset everyone are by them right now about this and that's all that needs to be said.

Edited June 7, 2021 by cambridgeshire canary

[WD40 720]

Honestly how many mistakes is Ben Kensell going to make before he is removed? He doesn’t learn at all.
 

Any meaningful announcement has been handled embarrassingly and misses the mark by such a distance, let’s go over some highlights:

1. Completely changes the membership system for a cash grab without fan consultation

2. ‘For the heroes’ blue away shirt. Minimal benefit (for the heroes)

3. ‘For the fans’ limited edition shirt released to a small number of speculators that went and re-sold the shirt at a ridiculous mark up

4. Securing sponsorship from a tin pot, soft **** betting company without the most basic due diligence of public facing channels.

The bloke has surely run out of chances?

[Feedthewolf 4,846]

6 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Fair enough, 'for legal reasons I can't say more' yada yada I get all that, Just please make sure the club and all those who work for it know how disgusted and upset everyone are by them right now about this and that's all that needs to be said.

All I will say is that from a personal perspective, I am as disgusted as everyone else about this. It's already grown so big that there's no way of simply sweeping it under the carpet. The genie's out the bottle now.

[birchfest 397]

I'd been at work and the first I saw of this was the bizarre twitter account with no followers, that was strange enough and I actually wrote 'well, I hope you guys have done due diligence because if that was a company I was looking to work with I'd be sceptical'. The next was then seeing some screen shot of the models on the instagram pages. That, whilst in offensive to some, is simply not what our club is about, a club that supports womens football and a club with a banner over the Barclay stand once saying 'a club for everyone'.

 

Then I saw the hotdog video. I mean, if you don't have an issue with our club having wandered into this blindly then you need to give your head a wobble. If thats your thing, fine, but thats NOT what an inclusive and community based club should be linked to. Whilst I appreciate that we have to make enough money to stay in it with a chance, the irony is that they have launched this on the day where we have received a record transfer, so really that argument stinks in this instance. Either BK8 were giving us so much we could forget our morals but keep our best players, or our sustainable model means we sell players for record fees and don't get into bed with companies like this.

 

The amazing thing is we haven't even spoken about the gambling or their potential links to dodgey stuff with chinese betting. Someone has got to go, I'd wager that Delia is going to be furious. 

[kirku 1,332]

11 minutes ago, WD40 said:

Honestly how many mistakes is Ben Kensell going to make before he is removed? He doesn’t learn at all.
 

Any meaningful announcement has been handled embarrassingly and misses the mark by such a distance, let’s go over some highlights:

1. Completely changes the membership system for a cash grab without fan consultation

2. ‘For the heroes’ blue away shirt. Minimal benefit (for the heroes)

3. ‘For the fans’ limited edition shirt released to a small number of speculators that went and re-sold the shirt at a ridiculous mark up

4. Securing sponsorship from a tin pot, soft **** betting company without the most basic due diligence of public facing channels.

The bloke has surely run out of chances?

I don't think #2 & #3 are worthy of being on the same list as #1 & #4 - which he absolutely shat the bed on 

[KeiranShikari 1,412]

1 minute ago, birchfest said:

I'd wager that Delia is going to be furious. 

They did waste a lot of food.

[WD40 720]

4 minutes ago, kirku said:

I don't think #2 & #3 are worthy of being on the same list as #1 & #4 - which he absolutely shat the bed on 

Correct, I those are just our last 4 ‘major’ commercial announcements as far as I can tell and each - to different extents - have been Mis-managed.

1&4 are definitely the most impactful.