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[Barbe bleu 826]

Lots of fossil fuel extraction on Norway as far as I know.   Maybe Sweden should invade Norway and shut the industry down..

Edited February 2, 2021 by Barbe bleu

[Indy 3,300]

3 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

It’s a nasty thing to think about but it is what it is. There’s too many of us and it’s cocking the planet up big time in one way or another. I have literally no viable solutions to this problem and nobody in power wants to acknowledge it.

To be honest I’ve done bits in my home and where I can not using energy excess water and so on, but after yesterday conversation and the links he sent to me made me think just a little more. One thing he said struck accord, is this global shutdown really about the virus or to reset the planet? Could this go on for more than ten years, meaning we all travel less and use less energy? China alone has 35% less CO2 output this year!

I’m not into conspiracy theories but if you were you’d start to think was this man made, driven to start the step change we need to make!

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/

[Indy 3,300]

2 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

Lots of fossil fuel extraction on Norway as far as I know.   Maybe Sweden should invade Norway and shut the industry down..

You do realise that around 80% of all energy used in Norway comes from electricity which is from Hydroelectric sources! The biggest export of the gas from Norwegian fields is to the UK. So maybe we need to look at the UK.

They have tax breaks for green energy and houses are triple insulated and the most efficient in energy use.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Indy

[Barbe bleu 826]

2 minutes ago, Indy said:

You do realise that around 80% of all energy used in Norway comes from electricity which is from Hydroelectric sources! The biggest export of the gas from Norwegian fields is to the UK. So maybe we need to look at the UK.

Strategically and logistically a Swedish invasion of Norway is probably easier.   Shut down the hydrocarbons at source and the consumer will just have to cope as best they can. 1-0 to Gaia

Edited February 2, 2021 by Barbe bleu

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

1 hour ago, It's Character Forming said:

The trouble with this viewpoint Indy is that back in the Middle Ages, the Black Death killed somewhere around 1/3rd of the entire population of Europe.  It took time for the population level to recover, but of course it's now many times larger than it was then.

 

To see a big reduction in the current human population, you're either looking at a long term managed process, or human intervention (nukes or a genetically engineered plague) or societal collapse.  And unless its a conscious and managed process by humanity as a whole, the other options would be horrific.

To reduce the population all one need to do is reduce poverty through economic growth. As poverty decreases so family sizes reduce. No need to resort to eugenics.

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

1 hour ago, Indy said:

You do realise that around 80% of all energy used in Norway comes from electricity which is from Hydroelectric sources! The biggest export of the gas from Norwegian fields is to the UK. So maybe we need to look at the UK.

They have tax breaks for green energy and houses are triple insulated and the most efficient in energy use.

well said Indy,'invading' countries by force and the use of high energy, destruction and violence, can't be the aim of anybody who signed up to the Paris accord, I hope that the Biden/Blinken and Bojo triangulation of future policies will realise this before they act on some Zio-fraudsters last wishes and its too late.

The big time for jaw jaw has begun, all other options are mere self harming as an end result.

[Barbe bleu 826]

1 minute ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

well said Indy,'invading' countries by force and the use of high energy, destruction and violence, can't be the aim of anybody who signed up to the Paris accord,

Fair enough.   Electric tanks and lasers powered by solar energy it is then.

[ricardo 7,395]

1 hour ago, It's Character Forming said:

 

To see a big reduction in the current human population, you're either looking at a long term managed process, or human intervention (nukes or a genetically engineered plague) or societal collapse.  And unless its a conscious and managed process by humanity as a whole, the other options would be horrific.

Dangerous territory for the religionists. 

[sonyc 5,520]

2 hours ago, The Real Buh said:

When the forest grows too big a wildfire is inevitable

"Ah...grasshopper..."

 

[ricardo 7,395]

National

16840 - 1449

rapid drop in last 7 days

Nationally positive down 27% deaths down nearly 10%

Local

Following a similar pattern to previous weeks, Mon and Tues figures always lower than the rest of the week. Fairly sure reporting is two days behind.

Edited February 2, 2021 by ricardo

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Captain Tom had pneumonia and then caught Covid. A Centurion catching pneumonia is likely not to recover. So will he be a Covid statistic?

[ricardo 7,395]

1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said:

Captain Tom had pneumonia and then caught Covid. A Centurion catching pneumonia is likely not to recover. So will he be a Covid statistic?

We will all be a statistic one day.

sad news, but none of us will get out of life alive.

[Well b back 3,208]

Sputnik V is now confirmed 92% effective. It works in a slightly different way in that the second dose is different to the first, attacking different areas of the virus. You maybe aware their trials are about to begin with Oxford as the first dose and Sputnik as the second, which can then be easily altered for variations. Interestingly their 92% is a second dose 21 days after the first, which wasn’t the best way with the Oxford vaccine.

It has been forwarded to some regulators for approval. 

[Icecream Snow 761]

11 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Captain Tom had pneumonia and then caught Covid. A Centurion catching pneumonia is likely not to recover. So will he be a Covid statistic?

He would because the measure is anyone dying after testing positive for covid in the last 28 days.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

19 minutes ago, ricardo said:

We will all be a statistic one day.

sad news, but none of us will get out of life alive.

Is that what we are all about? To shuffle off into our appropriate statistic column?

[ricardo 7,395]

1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said:

Is that what we are all about? To shuffle off into our appropriate statistic column?

A bit like the 1p5wich trophy list.

Someday in the future people will be looking back at us

[ricardo 7,395]

The drop off seems much more rapid than the first wave

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

5 minutes ago, ricardo said:

A bit like the 1p5wich trophy list.

Someday in the future people will be looking back at us

Have you had an Andy Warhol 15 minutes of fame?

[ricardo 7,395]

2 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Have you had an Andy Warhol 15 minutes of fame?

Not since I saved a last minute penalty about 45 years ago.

probably more like 45 seconds than 15 minutes though😉

[Essjayess 307]

9 minutes ago, ricardo said:

The drop off seems much more rapid than the first wave

Dont know about the %s of both waves but not surprised as 2nd wave was vastly higher than the 1st one. 1st wave if i recall had around 7.5k daily infections at its highest  whereas 2nd wave had 68k..but if the dailies are now steadily going below the 20k mark it still records a huge drop in just a few short weeks. Deaths to, albeit more slower, are now showing definite rolling drops. Long way to go but its encouraging..but how to keep it stabilised once it reaches a certain low mark..thats the hard part.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

34 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Not since I saved a last minute penalty about 45 years ago.

probably more like 45 seconds than 15 minutes though😉

Tubby Morton?

[Van wink 2,994]

Not good news for Regeneron 

"The great hope for drug treatments against Covid-19 – the monoclonal antibodies – are failing against variants of the virus, such as those that have emerged in South Africa and Brazil, scientists have found.

There have been high expectations of the drugs. One, made by Regeneron in the United States, was given to Donald Trump and may have played a part in his recovery. It is being trialled in hospital patients in the UK.

But to the dismay of those who work on therapies against the disease, all three leading contenders – Regeneron’s, and drugs from Eli Lilly and GlaxoSmithKline – fail against one or more of the variants.

The antibodies have huge advantages as treatments, said Nick Cammack, who leads the Covid-19 therapeutics acceleratorat Wellcome. They are derived from cloning a human white blood cell and mimic the effects of the immune system. They are very safe, specifically engineered to target the virus and their use looked highly promising in the early stage of disease to stop it progressing'

“

[Well b back 3,208]

40 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Not good news for Regeneron 

"The great hope for drug treatments against Covid-19 – the monoclonal antibodies – are failing against variants of the virus, such as those that have emerged in South Africa and Brazil, scientists have found.

There have been high expectations of the drugs. One, made by Regeneron in the United States, was given to Donald Trump and may have played a part in his recovery. It is being trialled in hospital patients in the UK.

But to the dismay of those who work on therapies against the disease, all three leading contenders – Regeneron’s, and drugs from Eli Lilly and GlaxoSmithKline – fail against one or more of the variants.

The antibodies have huge advantages as treatments, said Nick Cammack, who leads the Covid-19 therapeutics acceleratorat Wellcome. They are derived from cloning a human white blood cell and mimic the effects of the immune system. They are very safe, specifically engineered to target the virus and their use looked highly promising in the early stage of disease to stop it progressing'

“

If true, this is really bad news for the world, this was working to the extent it was a cure for most. Let’s hope they can tweak it.

[Icecream Snow 761]

Makes it look like Matt Hancock is the mutation 😛

[Van wink 2,994]

A shout out for our experts who advised the Government on our vaccine strategy, backing their knowledge and expertise to fill gaps in our test results and certainly as far as the AZ vaccine is concerned seemingly getting it right.

There was a lot of flack flying around, it’s very easy to criticise and want absolute proof on everything, but in the middle of a pandemic pragmatism and proportionality is crucial.

[Herman 9,768]

Have serious people been over critical of the experts? 

[paul moy 235]

1 minute ago, Herman said:

Have serious people been over critical of the experts? 

Yeah, people are giving french expert Dr Macron a hard time 😂🤗

[paul moy 235]

These are my latest figures for comparison with USA out of interest, as I could not find totals for the EU anywhere.  Make of it as you will  but the EU will hit the dreaded milestone of half a million deaths within the next 7 days or so: 

Total deaths throughout EU countries 28/1/2021 =  463,189                                 todate    =  479,829 

Additional deaths reported 28/1/2021                    =      3,660                                  today     =      4,313

Population 488 million

 

Total deaths in USA 28/1/2021                                =       442,631                             todate   =   457,868

Additional deaths 28/1/2021                                    =       2,793                                 today     =        3,632

Population  332 million

Edited February 3, 2021 by paul moy

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

It's only the 3rd of Feb & Mystic Moy is giving us data for the 28th of Feb.

 

[Well b back 3,208]

1 hour ago, Van wink said:

A shout out for our experts who advised the Government on our vaccine strategy, backing their knowledge and expertise to fill gaps in our test results and certainly as far as the AZ vaccine is concerned seemingly getting it right.

There was a lot of flack flying around, it’s very easy to criticise and want absolute proof on everything, but in the middle of a pandemic pragmatism and proportionality is crucial.

Be a bit careful on this one VW. The Oxford vaccine 8 - 12 weeks was due to the trial data and was the recommendation to regulators from AstraZeneca. The trial data shew 72% the real life data 76%. It is the Pfizer vaccine that was done differently from what was submitted to regulators, if that works lots of praise, Oxford working via this strategy is down to AstraZeneca and Oxford realising the data shew delaying the second jab seemed to improve the efficacy.