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...the cheats in var booth can make those lines look however which way they want it to....which is why its open to corruption. Why is it that we cant see an angle exactly side on?....Pukki is a yard onside and times his run perfectly.

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Sat in a pub on the Wirral watching it on my own and the whole pub was in uproar. His foot was clearly behind the defender. It’s horrible. It was such a good goal by pukki. The game is gone and made up with your fans singing as much. It’s just **** lads it really is. 

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I really would love to start a petition to get this debated in parliament as to wether VAR should be removed from football ( in the EPL ) as it is destroying the game.

The first hurdle to get it in the public domain would mean a 150 people would need to sign. Would that be possible ? After that the next step would be 10,000 which means the government have to respond. The 3rd and final step is 100,000 signatures in 30 days. It then has to be discussed in parliament or the government have to say why it is not being discussed.

Would we get the support of fans from other clubs ? Would many on here who know their way around other club message boards and I am sure have contacts in the sporting media world be prepared to inform such contacts ?

Am I just over reacting or is it something that really needs doing as the EPL are just ignoring the fans.

I just feel something needs to be done before our game is destroyed.

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17 minutes ago, Interested Observer said:

This decision was a joke. How is it decided where the respective lines are placed when it comes to checking this 'offside'? Move either one just slightly in either direction and you get a completely different result. I would also ask why is the blue 'defender' line only taken up to his knee? Take it any higher and you can see that it intersects his arm just as it does Pukki's. Naturally the line for the defender will intersect his knee first as he is not leaning as Pukki is, but what this camera angle/position does not take into account is the angle that Pukki is leaning. IMO Pukki's body is twisted as he leans and the lines as shown by the VAR don't take this into account, thereby presenting a falsehood. Here are some comparison stills with lines slightly altered to make this point:

1. Pukki's line moved slightly to the left to account for his body angle:

PUKKI-NEW LINES.jpg

2. Both original VAR lines and two new lines:

2 PUKKI=DEFENDER NEW AND ORIGINAL LINES.jpg

3. Pukki's new and original lines, with the defenders line extended so you can see it intersects his armpit as does Pukki's original line:

PUKKI-ORIGINAL-NEW AND DEFENDER ORIGINAL LINE.jpg

4. The original VAR lines, with the defenders line extended so it intesects his armpit as does Pukki's original VAR line.

PUKKI-ORIGINAL LINES.jpg

 

I think this shows what a fallacy (farce) the whole VAR circus is (when it comes to offside's at least).

Great post.  Totally a good goal and proving VAR is only as good as those who operate it. They are just fallable refs sitting in a booth hundreds of miles away. It's an absolute scandal.

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9 minutes ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said:

...the cheats in var booth can make those lines look however which way they want it to....which is why its open to corruption. Why is it that we cant see an angle exactly side on?....Pukki is a yard onside and times his run perfectly.

I’ve said this for a while. You only see one angle!  It’s up to the person watching the tv  so it’s one interpretation. So let’s have the refs view point??  As a blue I’m always up to conspiracy. Liverpool are having the lions share of these decisions. The fact it’s not on the screens with the ref commenting on it like the nfl is embarrassing. They are taking the fans for mugs 

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1 minute ago, lake district canary said:

Great post.  Totally a good goal and proving VAR is only as good as those who operate it. They are just fallable refs sitting in a booth hundreds of miles away. It's an absolute scandal.

Where’s the angle from above? They not got one? Well there is no point of the one view from the side is there?

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No escape from this madness if EFL bring in VAR next season. Can’t see it being the Cups though.

I’ll be watching Horsham from then on - think Lowestoft in Yellow and Green 😂 £8 entry a match. 

 

 

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Just now, Foxy2600 said:

No escape from this madness if EFL bring in VAR next season. Can’t see it being the Cups though.

I’ll be watching Horsham from then on - think Lowestoft in Yellow and Green 😂 £8 entry a match. 

 

 

People are going to turn off no doubt. There’s no point in celebrating anymore 

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I have just looked up the fa rule ( newly adopted ) for offside. It states

A player is in an offside position if: any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents' half (excluding the halfway line) and. any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent.

It goes on to explain

The law states that a player is in an offside position if any of their body parts, except the hands and arms, are in the opponents' half of the pitch, and closer to the opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent (the last opponent is usually, but not necessarily, the goalkeeper).

Could the EPL now come out and explain why Pukki’s goal was disallowed and before anyone mentions a shoulder that is part of your arm.

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

 

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VAR is supposedly calibrated. What standard is it calibrated against? It now seems that you can be behind the last defender and goalkeeper and still be offside.

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This is also from the EPL website and again makes a total mockery of the rules of football. The EPL state they have no input to the rules but have clearly changed the rules to suit their own purpose. The encroachment interpretation and now the offside rule have been changed by the EPL something they state they are not allowed to do.

Who can I contact with ideas or proposals related to the Laws of the Game?

The Laws of the Game are maintained by the IFAB.

Naturally the Premier League takes an active interest in this area, but has no active role in the development of the Laws. IFAB convenes periodically to discuss and debate the development of the Laws of the Game. The FA has a permanent seat on IFAB, and we would recommend contacting them directly if you have any proposals in this area

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What's crazy about this is ... WHO actually wants to see this enforced???

We should have stopped the introduction of technology with the goalline stuff ... as I have always thought.

It's better accepting that linesmen aren't perfect and that a goal every now and then was offside rather than measuring for minuscule positioning of limbs.

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Great goal, magnificent pass... Shockingly bad offside call... PS Kane was offside before the handball that led to the goal....where was VAR there? Ruining the game

 

 

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It's become a complete farce and whoever is responsible for how VAR is implemented needs to take a step back and apply a bit of common sense.

In the good old days before VAR would this have been one of those terrible decisions we needed technology to overturn? Would Mourinho have been complaining the goal was offside and demanding the introduction of video referees to make the game better? No, of course not.

You don't need to watch something a hundred times from twenty different angles and project lines from different body parts to within a few millimetres to make an offside call. Just watch it once and if it's not obvious you give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking side. Simple. Maybe they could even have a screen by the pitch so the referee could do it themselves? :classic_ohmy:

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2 hours ago, Well b back said:

I really would love to start a petition to get this debated in parliament as to wether VAR should be removed from football ( in the EPL ) as it is destroying the game.

The first hurdle to get it in the public domain would mean a 150 people would need to sign. Would that be possible ? After that the next step would be 10,000 which means the government have to respond. The 3rd and final step is 100,000 signatures in 30 days. It then has to be discussed in parliament or the government have to say why it is not being discussed.

Would we get the support of fans from other clubs ? Would many on here who know their way around other club message boards and I am sure have contacts in the sporting media world be prepared to inform such contacts ?

Am I just over reacting or is it something that really needs doing as the EPL are just ignoring the fans.

I just feel something needs to be done before our game is destroyed.

That bunch of fvckwits in Westminster can’t do the job they’re supposed to be doing, why would they do anything about VAR?

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You cannot determine an offside from a TV camera that is not exactly in line with the players.

Pictures like those above do not take into account perspective because one player will always be closer to the camera that the other player. The drawing of different coloured lines does not overcome this and will not determine whether it is offside or not

I have watched countless horse races where the finish has been close and the impression from the TV camera was that horse A has beaten horse B.

However, after the official photo is shown, taken from a camera that is pointing directly along the finishing line, it actually transpires that horse B has beaten horse A.

The only way to get this stupid rule 100% correct is to have cameras positioned all along the touchline or have a moving camera that keeps up with the play.

Only then will you get an accurate decision.

But neither of those options are going to happen.

 

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Images on twitter show the frame they used was after Vrancic played the ball as well.

kane was offside in the lead up to their free kick for the equaliser. 

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That last picture just winds me up even more. They’re nit picking over whether a finger nail is offside or not but how can offside really be that exact a science? I mean how is it even possible to determine the precise moment the ball separates from the, in this case, Vrancic’s boot?

the whole VAR thing throughout this season just stinks of corruption. 

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I banned myself from coming on here last night because I was so angry. This morning I'm just deflated and despondent. So much wrong with the system I don't even know where to start.

If it's still being used next season (or is introduced in the Championship if we're relegated), that will probably be my last season as a paying supporter.

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You can already pretty much guarantee there will be something similar against Palace with Zaha running through on goal and theyll probably not rule it for offside as they're 'learning' every week.

I'm sorry, but if you're not going to implement VAR the way it's been proven to work in other countries, then that's fine. But you cant introduce it when you've not made your ****ing mind up on what you are going to do, and have made changes week after week. How is that fair for the 3 clubs that get relegated?

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Just now, hogesar said:

That is ****ing disgraceful. Corrupt. No other word for it.

As I’ve said in another thread which may well have been missed, anyone watching the game at the ground won’t be aware that the official reason that Sky were given from Var headquarters for disallowing the goal was that Pukki was coming back from an offside position in the build up to the goal. It was a good 10 - 15 minutes before Sky were then told from Var headquartered that the reason for it was he was offside in the image that’s now seen. Unless Sky have broadcast the wrong information at the time, Var headquarters changed their reasons

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In the Casino of the super rich, don't be too surprised if the tables are stacked against you. Oh wait they don't even have casinos or tables anymore, they have computer generated tables, & computer operated croupiers, & eager folks will hand over their money. Behind the screens you probably find Gregor & Li Fung screwing on their silencers when you don't play ball.

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14 minutes ago, hogesar said:

You can already pretty much guarantee there will be something similar against Palace with Zaha running through on goal and theyll probably not rule it for offside as they're 'learning' every week.

I'm sorry, but if you're not going to implement VAR the way it's been proven to work in other countries, then that's fine. But you cant introduce it when you've not made your ****ing mind up on what you are going to do, and have made changes week after week. How is that fair for the 3 clubs that get relegated?

Zaha was ruled offside for a palace goal yesterday for a pretty much identical call. The one thing you can say about this nonsense is that it is consistent, no matter who the player or team is.

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Well. It's the morning after and anger has been replaced by loss. Loss of the joy of discussing such a wonderful pass and goal, loss of the enthusiasm for being so competitive against a top side and the loss of anticipation for the next game.

What a fu(king shame.

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VAR was introduced to over rule "clear & obvious mistakes".

So when they get it so clearly wrong surely there should be somebody (i.e. the ref) who has the power to over rule VAR.

After all, he is the man in charge of the game.

Get the ref in front of the fecking TV screen and let him make the final decision.

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I said all along that technology is only as good as those using it, and those are now being proven to be making errors.

IMO it was never going to be fit for purpose on offsides as you simply can’t tell the precise moment the ball has left the boot: making calls of supposed millimetre accuracy on one element of it with the other being vague just doesn’t work.  In this instance, if Sky was initially right, it appears they then retrospectively cane up with ‘evidence’ to back up their wrong decision.

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