Darth Canary1 91 Posted July 30, 2019 We will be murdered if we play like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dean Coneys boots 1,400 Posted July 30, 2019 I have been concerned for ages but get shot down on here if I ever raise any question at all. Bottom line is that we needed to bolster a leaky defence from last year - to give our fantastic attack a chance. But we haven’t. Play like that next week and Liverpool will rip us a new one... Hope I am wrong but I think we have a sub standard defence for this level and need a CDM as a matter of urgency. On the plus side - I think we will score goals. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,671 Posted July 30, 2019 It was a friendly (just a reminder for some). So just like beating Shalke doesnt make us top 8 material, this doesnt make us relegation material. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HertsCanary93 222 Posted July 30, 2019 Liverpool will have 6+ if we let that second half performance follow us into the season. It is still only pre-season - but with 10 days until the start of the season, very worrying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,820 Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: Klose and Godfrey look shattered after 60 mins and stopped running. Atalanta then brought on their better players and took advantage. Some good moments, some poor moments. Some of the pressing and passing by Norwich in the first half was really good and looked a step up from last season. Concentration again letting some down though. Aside from Zapata and Toloi, and maybe Castagne, they started at full strength. Their first half team was definitely better than their second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,671 Posted July 30, 2019 Cantwell best player on pitch in first half. Some wont like that.. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted July 30, 2019 A game of 2 halves as they say. I will judge us more by the overall stronger side that got 45 mins in the 1st half. But Atalanta are a top team, and it’s a warning. My team for the start of the season based on tonight - Krul, Aarons, Godfrey, Klose, Lewis, Trybull, Leitner, Roberts, Hernandez, Cantwell, Pukki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted July 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, ricardo said: Nothing that wasn't obvious last season. Very average in defence. Yep, but also mistakes resulted in goals, last season we could have got away with a few of those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: Aside from Zapata and Toloi, and maybe Castagne, they started at full strength. Their first half team was definitely better than their second. Mainly Zapata I was thinking about, but Barrow’s strength and pace was killer for a tired defence. They couldn’t make the ball stick in the first half, Norwich couldn’t take it off them after 60. They are obviously a good team. Gomez has Trybull on toast for most of the game. I suspect Norwich were training this morning and Atalanta weren’t though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,517 Posted July 30, 2019 Farke wanted a test and in selecting this fixture for pre season he got one. Toulouse will not offer anything like Atalanta have done. Expect us to win that one and settle us down for the start of the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,140 Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Alex Moss said: A game of 2 halves as they say. I will judge us more by the overall stronger side that got 45 mins in the 1st half. But Atalanta are a top team, and it’s a warning. My team for the start of the season based on tonight - Krul, Aarons, Godfrey, Klose, Lewis, Trybull, Leitner, Roberts, Hernandez, Cantwell, Pukki. No Emi? Brave. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,343 Posted July 30, 2019 This showed how ruthless it’s going to be next season. Thankfully not all teams are as good as Atalanta but we’ll be getting beat by three goals or more some weeks and must make the most of opportunities against lesser lights. I think we’ll be OK ( just ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,820 Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, hogesar said: Cantwell best player on pitch in first half. Some wont like that.. Agreed. On that performance, I think I've changed my mind from wanting him loaned out to wanting him in the squad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, Alex Moss said: A game of 2 halves as they say. I will judge us more by the overall stronger side that got 45 mins in the 1st half. But Atalanta are a top team, and it’s a warning. My team for the start of the season based on tonight - Krul, Aarons, Godfrey, Klose, Lewis, Trybull, Leitner, Roberts, Hernandez, Cantwell, Pukki. Agree, who would think Emi would be so off his game, unless targetted as our danger man, maybe why Todd had such a free first half. Emi looked very frustrated when he came off, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Van wink said: Yep, but also mistakes resulted in goals, last season we could have got away with a few of those. Yes, but we won't be playing Rotherham and Bolton this season. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,820 Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: Mainly Zapata I was thinking about, but Barrow’s strength and pace was killer for a tired defence. They couldn’t make the ball stick in the first half, Norwich couldn’t take it off them after 60. They are obviously a good team. Gomez has Trybull on toast for most of the game. I suspect Norwich were training this morning and Atalanta weren’t though. Whenever I saw Barrow last season, he looked ****. I guess playing against a tired defence made it easier for him, though. Gomez is a top class player who I like a lot, as is Ilicic, but the latter was completely invisible in the first half, which means we did something right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzar 1,702 Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, wcorkcanary said: Agree, who would think Emi would be so off his game, unless targetted as our danger man, maybe why Todd had such a free first half. Emi looked very frustrated when he came off, Emi looks frustrated every time he loses the ball. Even last season, I wanted to see less arm waving and more trying to win the ball back. Hernandez was good, so for me it's him and Roberts to start in the wide positions v Liverpool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: Whenever I saw Barrow last season, he looked ****. I guess playing against a tired defence made it easier for him, though. Gomez is a top class player who I like a lot, as is Ilicic, but the latter was completely invisible in the first half, which means we did something right. He’s hit and miss, a bit like Traore at Wolves. Give him a tiring team and a bit of space to run into and he’s golden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Il Pirata 249 Posted July 30, 2019 Although I won't let allow myself to be concerned after a friendly, I do think we lack a couple of big, physical players, particularly in the middle of the park. Trybull, Leitner, Mclean, and Vrancic are all technically very good.. but they do get knocked off the ball easily and struggle to halt the opposition attacking at pace. We look extremely susceptible to the counter attack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted July 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, ricardo said: Yes, but we won't be playing Rotherham and Bolton this season. indeed, that was the point I was trying to make, players need to keep their concentration levels up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,820 Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: He’s hit and miss, a bit like Traore at Wolves. Give him a tiring team and a bit of space to run into and he’s golden. Usually last season that was all he was trusted with, the odd sub appearance here and there, and he was still ****. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROBFLECK 132 Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Fuzzar said: Emi looks frustrated every time he loses the ball. Even last season, I wanted to see less arm waving and more trying to win the ball back. Hernandez was good, so for me it's him and Roberts to start in the wide positions v Liverpool. I agree, I think they've shown their worth their pick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vlad666 203 Posted July 30, 2019 Leitner and trybull together doesn’t work in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted July 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Nuff Said said: No Emi? Brave. Yep, I think that’s the easiest starting line up I’ve ever had to pick (as a supporter, obviously!) Emi was not at the races by his high standards at all. He clearly knew it too, as could be seen by his body language when he came off. But I’m not stupid, and know he’ll be a key player for us this season. However, on tonight’s showing, Cantwell stepped up to the plate and was absolutely magnificent. He gets the nod for me without hesitation. I’m not too disheartened though, a solid 11 playing the bulk of 90 minutes won’t collapse like that often, we’ll be far better organised as per usual - of that I have no fear. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,160 Posted July 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, Darth Canary1 said: We will be murdered if we play like this Like it’s a friendly you mean? whoa, better tell Farke, pronto! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted July 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said: Agree, who would think Emi would be so off his game, unless targetted as our danger man, maybe why Todd had such a free first half. Emi looked very frustrated when he came off, Yep, agreed, surprising, but no player’s infallible. Emi will be a top player for us this season, so not worried in the slightest, we all know his quality 👍 Todd Cantwell can take a bow tonight - I thought he was exceptional and my MOTM. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alex Moss said: Yep, agreed, surprising, but no player’s infallible. Emi will be a top player for us this season, so not worried in the slightest, we all know his quality 👍 Todd Cantwell can take a bow tonight - I thought he was exceptional and my MOTM. Mine too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
curious yellow 184 Posted July 30, 2019 Godfrey in particular and Klose looked good until Trybull and Byram went off. Perhaps Byram is better defensively than Aarons. McLean isn't a defensive midfielder. Fitness not quite there yet and the extra support will help. Todd was excellent and Adam Idah is a superb striker prospect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hampton canary 24 Posted July 30, 2019 I still worry about the defence. Farke clearly likes to play short passing between the back four and the keeper, as well as bringing all players back for corners and free kicks. He appears to be sticking with that same tactic this season so hopefully we can cause enough problems going forward to keep the opposition away from our defence. It worked last season so fingers crossed it will again this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HertsCanary93 222 Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said: Like it’s a friendly you mean? whoa, better tell Farke, pronto! A friendly so close to the start of the season. This was not an exhibition match for a kick about, but a test of how we will deal with top teams. I think Farke will be very disappointed. Players should be close to match fit and playing for places at this stage of the season. Agree with all of those stating Todd was motm - was very impressed. 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites