Bws Cat 0 Posted September 3, 2012 I c what u did thar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scrappy33 0 Posted September 3, 2012 He could be our next Dion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy_Bones 441 Posted September 3, 2012 [quote user="nutty nigel"]I expect he played so many premier league and international games to keep the crowd amused.[/quote] I''m not going to second guess the reasons why he played so many games in the prem or for England even when his form and performances were dire, but for me a striker needs to score goals, obviously contributing to them for a strike partner or other teammates is valuable, but the key factor is whether or not you can score when given the chance and Heskey repeatedly failed to do so when called upon.League Goals:96/97 - 10 goals - good return in an average Leicester side97/98 - As above98/99 - 6 goals - poor return99/00 - 10 goals - good return in an average Leicester side00/01 - 14 goals - good return01/02 - 9 goals - decent return but should have been higher with the team he was in02/03 - 6 goals - poor return03/04 - 7 goals - poor return04/05 - 10 goals - decent return05/06 - 4 goals - shocking return06/07 - 9 goals - decent return07/08 - 4 goals - shocking return08/09 - 5 goals - poor return09/10 - 3 goals - terrible return10/11 - 3 goals - poor return11/12 - 1 goal - deplorable return (and from 28 games as well!!!)As you can see, early doors he was pretty decent, but that was when he was driving at defenders and using his strength to great effect, as soon as he was ''developed'' into more of a target man his goal returns started to dry up and despite his strength he often seemed to fall over from minimal contact.Take his last 5 years in the prem, and the returns are horrible - 16 goals in 140 games, a 1 in 8.75 goal to game ratio, so at best that would equal 4 goals over a full league season and in no way it that a premiership quality level of return and I''d expect every single one of our strikers to comfortably beat this, and look technically better on the pitch whilst doing it.He may well be good at bringing a ball down or getting decent flicks on for a strike partner, but when HE''S the one with the chance, a seagull has more chance of bulging than the back of the net![quote]Are you a category one poster[:^)][/quote]I have no idea what you''re on about, so I can''t answer that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wooftie 0 Posted September 3, 2012 Provided he wasn''t on silly wages, he wouldn''t harm our squad. I wouldn''t mind him here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted September 3, 2012 [quote user="Norfolk Mustard"]So we could have Heskey & Owen up front then?!...[/quote]I''d rather have a bag of Levesons Potting Compost and a Traffic Cone up front. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
way out west 0 Posted September 3, 2012 Chuck the kids in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,557 Posted September 3, 2012 [quote user="Indy_Bones"][quote user="nutty nigel"]I expect he played so many premier league and international games to keep the crowd amused.[/quote] I''m not going to second guess the reasons why he played so many games in the prem or for England even when his form and performances were dire, but for me a striker needs to score goals, obviously contributing to them for a strike partner or other teammates is valuable, but the key factor is whether or not you can score when given the chance and Heskey repeatedly failed to do so when called upon.League Goals:96/97 - 10 goals - good return in an average Leicester side97/98 - As above98/99 - 6 goals - poor return99/00 - 10 goals - good return in an average Leicester side00/01 - 14 goals - good return01/02 - 9 goals - decent return but should have been higher with the team he was in02/03 - 6 goals - poor return03/04 - 7 goals - poor return04/05 - 10 goals - decent return05/06 - 4 goals - shocking return06/07 - 9 goals - decent return07/08 - 4 goals - shocking return08/09 - 5 goals - poor return09/10 - 3 goals - terrible return10/11 - 3 goals - poor return11/12 - 1 goal - deplorable return (and from 28 games as well!!!)As you can see, early doors he was pretty decent, but that was when he was driving at defenders and using his strength to great effect, as soon as he was ''developed'' into more of a target man his goal returns started to dry up and despite his strength he often seemed to fall over from minimal contact.Take his last 5 years in the prem, and the returns are horrible - 16 goals in 140 games, a 1 in 8.75 goal to game ratio, so at best that would equal 4 goals over a full league season and in no way it that a premiership quality level of return and I''d expect every single one of our strikers to comfortably beat this, and look technically better on the pitch whilst doing it.He may well be good at bringing a ball down or getting decent flicks on for a strike partner, but when HE''S the one with the chance, a seagull has more chance of bulging than the back of the net![quote]Are you a category one poster[:^)][/quote]I have no idea what you''re on about, so I can''t answer that one.[/quote] A category one poster is one who''s opinion is valuable enough to close discussion. I think the original ones were Korean. Little over three years ago, in the middle of that horrible period of Heskey''s career, Martin O''Neill paid 3.5 million for him. But I doubt O''Neill could ever make category one on the Pink Un. I judge each player on their contribution to the team and the team on points won, goals scored and goals conceded. In that order. The order which determines league positions. The simplistic view that a forward should be judged on goals scored and a goalkeeper judged on goals conceded just doesn''t make sense to me. I have often seen a forward get MOM without scoring and a ''keeper getting MOM after conceding 4 or 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted September 3, 2012 [quote user="Morisons Prozac"]I kind of want him but at the same time I don''t[/quote]If it helps, I feel the same about the fat one from Little Mix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bury Yellow 2 Posted September 3, 2012 Indy dear boy,you were wather howwible about CMS too. You do have stwident views don''t you. Not at all attwactive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howson is now! 0 Posted September 3, 2012 Ask most strikers that have played with Heskey and they all say what a great player he is to play alongside.As LDC said, in terms of contribution to the team Heskey has been very good over the years. His job has been to put the ball on a plate for other players and they love him for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy_Bones 441 Posted September 3, 2012 [quote user="Bury Yellow"]Indy dear boy,you were wather howwible about CMS too. You do have stwident views don''t you. Not at all attwactive[/quote]I would suggest that ''Strident'' is a tad strong, and I''d err more towards ''Firmly vocal with reasoned justification''. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crab man 164 Posted September 3, 2012 some of you are seriously deluded, he is an atrocious player with about as much pace as a slug. Its alright banging on about what he has done in the past but he''s 34 now, he would offer us about as much as peter thorn with one leg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy_Bones 441 Posted September 3, 2012 [quote user="Howson is now"]His job has been to put the ball on a plate for other players and they love him for it.[/quote]Of course they do because he makes them look good!ANY good striker wants decent supply, so having a guy alongside you who usually does nothing more than bring balls down or flick them on is an attractive proposition for a strike partner, but the problem lies in the situations where the strike partner ISN''T there to flick onto, or where the situation is such that taking the shot yourself is the much better proposition, and this is where Heskey comes up badly short.Of course it''s not as simple as saying the guy who scores the most is the best striker, or the keeper who keeps more clean sheets is the best, but in general there are attributes and requirements for every position that are key factors in assessing a players ability. You wouldn''t say a keeper was world class simply because they could pass the ball well along the floor when necessary, nor if they were highly adept at taking free kicks a''la Chilavert, instead you judge them on things such as how good they are at shot stopping, dealing with balls in the air, handling 1v1 situations and communicating with their defenders.Similarly, you don''t describe a striker as world class based on them just being good at flicks and knock downs, you want to know that when they get a chance that they''ll put it in the back of the net, that defenders will struggle to handle them either through skill, pace or strength and that even when the pressure is highest - they''ll come through.Heskey has confidence problems, can''t finish for toffee these days and doesn''t give an opposing defender any sense of fear or caution in dealing with him. I''d much rather use Moro if we want a target man, as at least he can finish, has more pace and aerial ability than Heskey and doesn''t fall over if the defender breathes near him (despite Heskey being built like a WW2 tank).Anyway, that''s me done on the topic, I don''t rate the guy as a footballer and in this situation that''s all I''m bothered about, as him being a ''nice guy'' doesn''t help us when we need someone to make an impact on the pitch (and I don''t mean by him toppling to the floor either). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,557 Posted September 3, 2012 Maybe Heskey''s not a striker at all. Maybe he''s a forward. Or are they one and the same thing? I personally don''t think all forwards are strikers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bws Cat 0 Posted September 3, 2012 Strikers strike Forwards forward.How hard is that to understand nutty? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howson is now! 0 Posted September 3, 2012 Totally agree Indy. Was just trying to back up what some people had said about his contribution.I don''t want him here, I''ve lost track of the amount of times I''ve said "Heskey never scores" in my life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norfolk Mustard 94 Posted September 3, 2012 [quote user="ricardo"][quote user="Norfolk Mustard"]So we could have Heskey & Owen up front then?!...[/quote]I''d rather have a bag of Levesons Potting Compost and a Traffic Cone up front.[/quote]I wasn''t advocating Heskey & Owen was in any way desirable!... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris_sabian 0 Posted September 3, 2012 I''m not going to bother digging it up, but I remember last season when we played Villa how people were raving about Heskey, saying he was the best player on the pitch, no wonder he has been a regular in the premiership for so many years even though he doesn''t score much etc etc.I would be pleased to have him here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlyBlyBabes 0 Posted September 3, 2012 Funny, I saw him score a good goal against Brazil in a World Cup Quarter Final Match against Brazil.But then again Danny Mills played in that match too.OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
William Darby 0 Posted September 4, 2012 [quote user="Howson is now"]Totally agree Indy. Was just trying to back up what some people had said about his contribution.I don''t want him here, I''ve lost track of the amount of times I''ve said "Heskey never scores" in my life.[/quote]I think the point of view some have is (and I have up to a point), Heskey isn''t necessarily a scorer but a provider. I remember some years back I worked with this chef who was a Wolves supporter who used to rave about Steve Bull. I know Steve Bull used to score bucket loads, but this chef used to say the number of goals he used to create was enormous too. Simply by holding up balls laying them off. And running into space taking defenders with him to create gaps. I think this is the type of play that Heskey has been good at. And why he was rated as a top forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MyGodWeArePoorToWatch 0 Posted September 4, 2012 If he is fit, and the wages can fit into our guidlines, i would have him here in a heartbeat.Forget about his scoring record, thats not where his strength is.He creates chances for others by the truck load.He is a good player, and could be perfect for the likes of holt and morro to play alongside.And its not like we are bubbeling over with strikers as it is anyway.Like someone mentioned, he could do a Dion Dublin for us.Sign him up i say ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted September 4, 2012 [quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]Funny, I saw him score a good goal against Brazil in a World Cup Quarter Final Match against Brazil.[/quote]Under those circumstances, I''d have been astounded if he''d scored a good goal against anyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renskay 36 Posted September 4, 2012 He can be Wilbraham Mk.2 :)Why not get him TBH to be a good team you always need options in attack and I think he would be a good contributor to the team when called upon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoareyou? 0 Posted September 4, 2012 His lack of goalscoring is a bit of a myth. He is in the top 20 all time Premier League goalscorers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dodds 0 Posted September 4, 2012 [quote user="chris_sabian"]I''m not going to bother digging it up, but I remember last season when we played Villa how people were raving about Heskey, saying he was the best player on the pitch, no wonder he has been a regular in the premiership for so many years even though he doesn''t score much etc etc.I would be pleased to have him here.[/quote]Agbonlahor was the best player on the pitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Row D Seat 7 0 Posted September 4, 2012 Haven''t read all the posts on this thread but am guessing the reaction to the rumour hasn''t gone down well.I think we will struggle for goals this season. A lot is depending on what Harry Kane can do because the strikers we have here now won''t score many, in my opinion.So why bring Heskey in? A striker that never scores. If we sign him it will be a joke. He''s looking for a last pay day, we are not a charity, we literally don''t need him. Wasn''t he in talks with several Championship clubs last month? Why have we entered the fray?Please don''t sign him, Chris. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4th floor 4 Posted September 4, 2012 I don''t think we need him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted September 4, 2012 If he''s wearing Green and Yellow I''d welcome him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy_Bones 441 Posted September 4, 2012 [quote user="whoareyou"]His lack of goalscoring is a bit of a myth. He is in the top 20 all time Premier League goalscorers.[/quote]It''s not a myth at all, it''s simply that he''s played in the prem for close to 15 years and even an average return over that length of time can put you up there.111 goals in the Prem over 15 years equates to 7.4 goals per season, but the majority of those goals were scored in the early stages of his career at Leicester and Liverpool which is 8 years ago, and since then he''s struggled to get anywhere close to strong returns. I posted the actual stats up earlier in the thread if you want to check it yourself.16 goals in the last 5 seasons tells me all I need to know about Heskey as an option NOW, not 8 or 12 years ago, but NOW, and NOW he simply isn''t good enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 0 Posted September 4, 2012 [quote user="Indy_Bones"][quote user="whoareyou"]His lack of goalscoring is a bit of a myth. He is in the top 20 all time Premier League goalscorers.[/quote]It''s not a myth at all, it''s simply that he''s played in the prem for close to 15 years and even an average return over that length of time can put you up there.111 goals in the Prem over 15 years equates to 7.4 goals per season, but the majority of those goals were scored in the early stages of his career at Leicester and Liverpool which is 8 years ago, and since then he''s struggled to get anywhere close to strong returns. I posted the actual stats up earlier in the thread if you want to check it yourself.16 goals in the last 5 seasons tells me all I need to know about Heskey as an option NOW, not 8 or 12 years ago, but NOW, and NOW he simply isn''t good enough.[/quote] Have to agree, Heskey is not a player we would want. He was effective as a support striker in the past - but surely past his best now anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites