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    Been Here Before Many Times

    I can only really describe the OP''s post as odd.
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    Possibly streaming tonight

    This one is good quality and don''t have no adverts - [url=http://lewstream.live/soccer-live3.html]http://lewstream.live/soccer-live3.html[/url].
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    Lambert’s a binner

    Is anyone brave enough to admit to having wanted Lambert to replace Farke in the recent past?
    Is anyone crazy enough to want to replace our current brand of football with the Lambert school of knocking crosses in for a big striker to get his head on?
    Perhaps one positive with Lambert''s new job is that we won''t have to hear constant calls for him to return to Carrow Road whenever he finds himself out of work.
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    May you not get what you want

    [quote user="Bethnal Yellow and Green"]There is a Chinese proverb that says “anyone who writes something starting with a Chinese proverb is talking out of their posterior”.

    (The Chinese don’t say “may you not get what you want” to mean good luck, they just say “good luck”).[/quote]I''m sure I''ve had "may you get what you want" from a takeaway in Yarmouth a few years ago. Possibly a bad translation explain things?
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    May you not get what you want

    I was saying back in March that the football was the best I''d seen in over 20 years. It weren''t the finished article by any means, but I could see back then exactly where we were headed, and I''m not at all surprised how things have developed since.
    So it''s interesting that some on here are now saying the football is better than under Lambert. However, just a couple of weeks ago someone else strongly disagreed with me on this point, even going as far as saying bits of it were amongst the worse he''d seen.
    I sometimes wonder if having slagged off the quality of Farke''s football, that some people are now going to be setting the bar ridiculously high in terms of things like number of goals scored and league position. If we don''t get promoted then Lambert will still stand as better than Farke, and the Farke sceptics will therfore have been justified in their caution.
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    Steve Stone

    [quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="4th floor"][quote user="Icecream Snow"][quote user="4th floor"]
    Can someone explain how we got from McNally and Bowkett, to Jez Moxley, and to today''s situation? I can see several job titles, but I''m not sure who''s doing what. It all sound a bit like musical chairs to me.
    [/quote]
    Jez Moxey replaced McNally as Chief Executive, and Ed Balls replaced Bowkett as Chairman.
    I think Balls had proposed a new structure with a Sporting Director. When Jez Moxey left, Steve Stone was keen on the job, but felt he didn''t have the footballing experience required.
    So then we ended up with Daniel Farke as Head Coach, Stuart Webber as Sporting Director, and Steve Stone as Managing Director, with Webber taking some of the responsibilities from the old Chief Exec and Manager roles.
    Ben Kensell has been doing the Sales & Marketing role and gets the Chief Commercial Officer title, which sounds like the same role with additional influence and power. Bethnal says Zoe Ward''s been doing the agent liaison work on top of other duties.
    It sounds like the division of work between Kensell, Webber and Ward left Stone preparing the accounts, and arguably you don''t need someone at board level to do that.[/quote]Thanks, that''s a good summary. It looks to me as if we''ll be relying on Michael Wynn-Jones, Ed Balls and Delia''s nephew to oversee the whole thing.
    [/quote]
    Phillips was in business, but perhaps more importantly Foulger has been a director for 22 years, so it is a fair bet he knows a bit about the ins and outs of financing a football club and how to oversee that. I do not see any problem with not having a specific chief finance officer on the board.And I think Icecream Snow''s view may well be at least half the explanation for Stone leaving - that he found he was to an extent sidelined from much of what a traditional football chief executive does.
    [/quote]No disrepect to Foulger or Phillips, but I don''t believe it''s an accident that our upturn has happened since Ed Balls and Tom Smith arrived on the scene. Them two seem clever chaps.
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    Steve Stone

    [quote user="Icecream Snow"][quote user="4th floor"]
    Can someone explain how we got from McNally and Bowkett, to Jez Moxley, and to today''s situation? I can see several job titles, but I''m not sure who''s doing what. It all sound a bit like musical chairs to me.
    [/quote]
    Jez Moxey replaced McNally as Chief Executive, and Ed Balls replaced Bowkett as Chairman.
    I think Balls had proposed a new structure with a Sporting Director. When Jez Moxey left, Steve Stone was keen on the job, but felt he didn''t have the footballing experience required.
    So then we ended up with Daniel Farke as Head Coach, Stuart Webber as Sporting Director, and Steve Stone as Managing Director, with Webber taking some of the responsibilities from the old Chief Exec and Manager roles.
    Ben Kensell has been doing the Sales & Marketing role and gets the Chief Commercial Officer title, which sounds like the same role with additional influence and power. Bethnal says Zoe Ward''s been doing the agent liaison work on top of other duties.
    It sounds like the division of work between Kensell, Webber and Ward left Stone preparing the accounts, and arguably you don''t need someone at board level to do that.[/quote]Thanks, that''s a good summary. It looks to me as if we''ll be relying on Michael Wynn-Jones, Ed Balls and Delia''s nephew to oversee the whole thing.
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    Steve Stone

    Can someone explain how we got from McNally and Bowkett, to Jez Moxley, and to today''s situation? I can see several job titles, but I''m not sure who''s doing what. It all sound a bit like musical chairs to me.
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    The case for Paul Lambert aka the Messiah

    [quote user="king canary"]"Farke has had a harder job''

    This argument has been made before remains utter nonsense.

    Farke took over a squad that finished 8th the season before, had a fair few internationals and had one of the most potent attacks in the league.

    Lambert took over a squad full of recently signed deadwood who had just taken the biggest beating in their history, with no pre-season and had narrowly avoided administration.

    Alex Neil was a poor manager, yes. But to claim Farke had to start from scratch is laughable- Farke came into his first season with a squad containing Klose, Pinto, Tettey, Pritchard, Maddison, Oliveria, Jerome and Murphy.[/quote]Four of the players you mention are no longer at the club, and lots of others have left, or like Naismith have effectively left. I never said Farke had to completely start from scratch, but he''s come into the club during a period of rapid change, ie unlike the situation when Walker and Stringer took over. Excluding the youngsters, it''s only Tettey that''s been here longer than three years.
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    The case for Paul Lambert aka the Messiah

    [quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="Bill"]
    of course not
    [quote user="TIL 1010"]Lakey reckons that Farke is a combination of

    Saunders, Stringer and Walker ! Dear God i will have a pint of what you

    drink mate as to me it looks more like Morgan, Megson and Roeder.
    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    Steady on there City1st as i would hate to accuse you of following me around. Amazing to think that you and a few others so quickly forget the turgid stuff dished up last season and the first six games of this.Certainly cannot remember Saunders,Stringer and Walker doing that.
    [/quote]
    Saunders got the fitness levels up and gave the team the belief they would out run any opponent. Stringer got us playing high posession football and Walker turned that ability to hold on to the ball into more meaningful attacking play.
    I would say that sums up what Farke has done in little over a year, get us fitter than anyone else in the division, turn us into a side comfortable on the ball able to keep hold of it and then put it to good use in an attacking sense.
    Not achieved anything yet in terms of trophies, but the progress along the above lines is plain to see.[/quote]Saunders was before my time, but I would also add that neither Stringer or Walker (first stint) inherited the mess left behind by Alex Neil where we''ve almost had to start from scratch.
    Lambert inherited a squad which was virtually brand new, however he had the benefit of starting in League One and was able to leverage momentum once in the Championship.
    Farke has had a harder job, probably more akin to what Walker did in his second stint but without quite as onerous financial constraints. Already he has us playing better football than any manager since Walker.
    Nobody is saying we''re the finished article, that there haven''t been bad performances or problem areas, or that Farke has proved himself in terms of points/league position. However you can clearly see that Farke is well on his way to achieving a quality which is much higher than anything we saw under our most successful managers of recent years ie Lambert, Hughton, Worthington, Neil.
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    New contract for Farke?

    [quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="4th floor"][quote user="TIL 1010"]I really cannot get too excited about being in a hurry up to extend Farke''s contract. What exactly has he achieved to justify it as at the moment it is still a work in progress for me but some on here seem to be getting carried away on the back of getting to 5th in the table regarding it as some major achievement.[/quote]I view Farke''s achievement as his team playing the best football in over 20 years. Perhaps I''m guilty of getting ''carried away''?
    [/quote]
    Better than the Paul Lambert era ? Come off it for goodness sake.[/quote]While he was a very good manager, we didn''t get much further than crossing the ball for Morrison or Holt to head in. Farke by contrast looks to be more in the mould of Stringer and Walker, where there was much more depth and quality to our play.
    I suppose what turned a lot of people off Farke was that he was trying to improve the quality, hence he didn''t immediately set the team up to play attacking football in similar way to how Lambert did.
    Maybe those who were recently slagging off Farke''s football as being boring didn''t realise what he was trying to achieve, and didn''t notice the improvement?
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    New contract for Farke?

    [quote user="TIL 1010"]I really cannot get too excited about being in a hurry up to extend Farke''s contract. What exactly has he achieved to justify it as at the moment it is still a work in progress for me but some on here seem to be getting carried away on the back of getting to 5th in the table regarding it as some major achievement.[/quote]I view Farke''s achievement as his team playing the best football in over 20 years. Perhaps I''m guilty of getting ''carried away''?
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    Are we getting better?

    I was quite happy to admit to being blown away last season, it was pure magic from Farke. Maybe I could see something that many others couldn''t?
    We seem to be having a little pause for breath at the moment as new players bed in, but I''m sure that our ''dark period'' (1998-2017) will soon be a distant memory.
    Over to you Mr Farke.........
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    Farke out

    [quote user="STFU"]You can’t play possession football when you’ve got players who can’t pass to each other, try clever litttle flicks at inappropriate times and when you don’t have a forward in the box.[/quote]We''ve got to start somewhere, and it''s not like we''re in danger of being relegated. If we haven''t got the players to do it at the moment then that''s something for the coaches and those who decide who we buy to sort out.Playing this kind of game takes time to perfect, and I''ve seen enough so far to be optimistic and remain patient.
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    Farke out

    [quote user="Capt. Pants"][quote user="4-2-thefloor"]If you can see what Farke is trying to do then we need to give him at least another season. He only need a few more players and to give the team a little tune up.[/quote]I''m not sure I really see what he''s trying to do to be honest. It might be suited to mid table Bundesliga, but as to getting promoted from the Championship then I don''t see with his tactics we will ever win enough games. He''s not a good fit for this league.[/quote]Farke is trying to get us to play similar to Swansea under Brendan Rogers, so all this talk of not being able to play a possession game and be promoted is wrong in my view.Trying to do it on a budget with half the team being new players is a real challenge. I appreciate some don''t like possession football and would prefer a direct game, but I''d say the dissatisfaction is more because we aren''t performing consistently than the style per se.
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