David Bell for Elliot Ward?

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="ncfcstar"]And I honestly don''t think the board can come out with statements like that in the position they are in if all they are hinting at is loan investment. Jas, take a step back, if you were on the board right now, and realised the growing number of fans who are becoming, well, disillusioned, would you come out with a statement saying there would be money available if, in the end, all it was was money for loan contracts? Of course you wouldn''t. The whole Lee Clark thing has been blown out of proportion as well, people taking the side of the story they want to see and not looking into what may actually have happened.[/quote]

because the board cant see past their fantasy of "happy clappy fans who hang on every word we say". they honestly think we will beleive whatever they trot out...

The cheif executive of the football club, probably the most important role inside the club, came out and said there is no money available just a few weeks ago.. some 2 bob tin pot director says there is money to spend.... who do you beleive?

jas :)

[ncfcstar 292]

In all honesty? I believe the person who is actually investing in the club, things can change in a few weeks you know.

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

[quote user="ncfcstar"]And I honestly don''t think the board can come out with statements like that in the position they are in if all they are hinting at is loan investment. Jas, take a step back, if you were on the board right now, and realised the growing number of fans who are becoming, well, disillusioned, would you come out with a statement saying there would be money available if, in the end, all it was was money for loan contracts? Of course you wouldn''t. The whole Lee Clark thing has been blown out of proportion as well, people taking the side of the story they want to see and not looking into what may actually have happened.[/quote]

because the board cant see past their fantasy of "happy clappy fans who hang on every word we say". they honestly think we will beleive whatever they trot out...

The cheif executive of the football club, probably the most important role inside the club, came out and said there is no money available just a few weeks ago.. some 2 bob tin pot director says there is money to spend.... who do you beleive?

jas :)

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Until anything does or doesn''t happen, then neither.

[lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

[quote user="ncfcstar"]And I honestly don''t think the board can come out with statements like that in the position they are in if all they are hinting at is loan investment. Jas, take a step back, if you were on the board right now, and realised the growing number of fans who are becoming, well, disillusioned, would you come out with a statement saying there would be money available if, in the end, all it was was money for loan contracts? Of course you wouldn''t. The whole Lee Clark thing has been blown out of proportion as well, people taking the side of the story they want to see and not looking into what may actually have happened.[/quote]

because the board cant see past their fantasy of "happy clappy fans who hang on every word we say". they honestly think we will beleive whatever they trot out...

The cheif executive of the football club, probably the most important role inside the club, came out and said there is no money available just a few weeks ago.. some 2 bob tin pot director says there is money to spend.... who do you beleive?

jas :)

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absoulutley not one single person in our decaying club. Were an absoulute joke with two faced lying clowns in charge. we are not even a proper f*cking club no more. were mugs the lot of us for buying into this sh*te, and funding all this lunacy with loyal attendances. 

 

 

[Mook 0]

I''d be astounded if this rumour was true. But I don''t think it will be.

[Graham Humphrey 13]

I would be very annoyed indeed if this turned out to be true. Amazing how many people are willing to unquestioningly believe what is essentially a glorified message board rumour though. That''s not to say it won''t happen but only time will tell.

[Hairy Canary 704]

[quote user="Lord Flashheart"]If people don''t believe a single thing the board say, why are people so convinced City are skint? I fail to see how you can have it both ways.
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Because actions speak louder than words.

We know the club is skint because we have to rely on loan players, sell Shackell when we don''t have proper defensive cover and can''t turn down £400k for a promising keeper who is likely to be worth much more in a couple of years. 

In the same way its no good saying Clarke is staying only for him to go, or that new heros will be coming in only for average loanees to apear.

Actions, louder than words.

 

[TWEETY PIE 0]

Back to topic - maybe GR feels that a good centre half will keep us in the Championship - where a good winger won''t . I am not a GR supporter just my thoughts

[shefcanary 2,408]

I think you''ll all agree that a good side is built from the back.  At present we continually let in more goals than we score.  And before anyone shouts currently we are shipping an average of two a game, and any side would find it difficult to continually score three a game.  We have to strengthen our defence.

At present we have a surfeit of wingers.  Now if Crofty goes to Sheff Utd, then I can''t see Bell going as well.  He hasn''t convinced me yet but thereagain perhaps that''s because he is being played out of position.  But to my mind getting a new centre back actually warrants the loss of one of our wingers at the moment.  Yes it would be a damn shame to lose Bell before we have seen what he can do but sometimes needs must. 

Could we swap for Doc for a defender as well?  One sure fire way of strengthening our defence.

[Chunky Norwich 0]

Not much to add really but it''s one hell of a gamble letting a proven player go for one who may or may not work out. I''d also say that you can have the best defence in the world but if you''ve got crap in front of it who isn''t scoring or creating chances, you''re going to concede and lose eventually. If you have a creative midfield and goalscorers with a creaky defence, you can always score more than the opposition.

In my humble opinion, in football it''s better to have a better attack than defence.

[Michael Starr 519]

Right i''ve seen enough. Let''s all just stop, STOP!!! Can we start again as a football club? Clearly we''re screwed...Let''s rebuild the Nest. release all the players, sell all the furniture. Let''s just start again! These 3 years have been ridiculous.I was saying last night to a friend how i''ve been impressed with Bell and Croft in recent months, then I wake up this! For Bell and Croft! I''m pretty angry lol!

[The Judge 0]

[quote user="John Boubepo"][quote user="Gazza"]

How can anyone seriously balme Roeder for this, just shows that he is working with his hands tied!. The only disgrace at our club are the fools in the boardroom and our celebrity chef for running the club into the ground! DELIA OUT!

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So Roeder isn''t to blame, would that be the same Roeder who sold young injury free Shackle and brought in Injury prone Stefanovic and Kennedy, lets get real GR is making a hash of it.

If you can only afford a small squad you need to make sure the players you bring in are not injury liabilities and can make it through a season - did someone shout Carl Cort?

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No - its the same board who sold Shackell because the Turners had just jumped ship and we needed to recoup some of the money they were supposed to put in to the summer transfer kitty ..if you are going to start pointing the finger get your facts right..

[InLambertWeTrust! 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

[quote user="ncfcstar"]Do you lot seriously think that Foulger would come out with a bare-faced lie about money being available??!!!!!! [/quote]

money for loan wages = cash available....think about it....

and do i think the club would lie about Money being available.. well "Lee Clarke has not been approached by Huddersfield" springs to mind.. as is "Dean Ashton is injured and we have proof" on the day we were playing the club he would sign for in the FA cup.. so i''ll leave you to speculae that one.

jas :)

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wasnt earnie injured as well?

[FishtheFishFish 0]

I can''t even explain how depressing this is. I totally agree with you! We finally have what we would like to call a ''dead ball specialist'' in Bell and we''re happy to exchange him to shore up the defence! Truly depressing for all associated with the yellow and green army. The question I ask is: where is Peter Cullum?

He has already stated that he will not watch the club go into administration nor would he be prepared to see us battling it out in league one. So where are you Cullum? Hear our cry!

[Ivana_rubyatitz 6]

This whole situation seems to remind me of the last days of the Chase era - player sales born of desperation not to enhance the club.  So sad that it has come full circle. [:(]

[The Chirp 0]

david bell has not yet scored for norwich... but he''s our top assist scorer... letting him go would be awful... i''d much rather have the doc at the back with elliot... and then perhaps a loan like grounds coming in... or, edgar etc... and keep bell... than bring in ward... ward is someone i would love to have at norwich, he''s a leader a threat in the box and a good pen taker... scored a lot last year... but not at the expence of bell... bell sammy c and hoolahan are the centre of all that is good in our team at the moment...

[city-till-i-die 7]

 :-(....................

 

unbloody real....a new low

[Allez17 0]

I''m glad at least one or two people on here have a working cerebrum. Teams are built from the back. It''s as simple as that.

[Desert Fox 0]

Wharfing,

Agreed, but this should not be at the expense of cannibalising other parts of the team. Our biggest problem is lack of goals as we are averaging 1.22 goals per game compared to 1.57 conceeded. If money were to be spent on the team, I would suggest that we could improve upon the goals scored ratio far easier than we could on the goals conceded ratio.

[Allez17 0]

I''d argue the goals conceded stat has more to do with the constant changing of the backline than their ability. Doc, Dejan and Kennedy have all had red cards this season, while Elliot and Otsemobor have split time at RB and Bertrand and Drury at Left Back (though less so). Add onto that the constant injuries and you have an ever changing back 4. Remember our promotion winning defence? Kenton, Fleming, Mackay and Drury played something like 40 of 46 games together that season. This season its different every game, and that gives Marshall, a truly class keeper, no security. And with Dejan out for the season, and Kennedy off in January, we have little. Elliot played well at CB but if we leave him there, where''s the cover? Who else is there? A stable back 4 is the bedrock of any successful team. If that comes at the expense of a talented player, we might just have to bite the bullet.

[CanaryRyan 0]

Id love to see Elliot Ward in a Norwich shirt, but he is no way worth a swap deal with Bell!

[Big Ginge 0]

[quote user="IBA"][quote user="Big Ginge"]Absolutely unbelievable - -[/quote] Then don''t believe it. End[/quote]

2 years ago I wouldn''t have, but with our board and manager this club has lost all direction.

[Big Ginge 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

[quote user="ncfcstar"]Do you lot seriously think that Foulger would come out with a bare-faced lie about money being available??!!!!!! [/quote]

money for loan wages = cash available....think about it....

and do i think the club would lie about Money being available.. well "Lee Clarke has not been approached by Huddersfield" springs to mind.. as is "Dean Ashton is injured and we have proof" on the day we were playing the club he would sign for in the FA cup.. so i''ll leave you to speculae that one.

jas :)

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Well said Jas and don''t forget Delia at the Royal Norfolk Show.

[FishtheFishFish 0]

When you consider how the guys at the back did against Ipswich it is ludicrous to say that it is worth losing a creative influence at the front for additional defensive support. Just look at some of Bell''s crosses and freekicks this season. Norwich''s main problem is scoring goals not leaking them.

Sure we let in goals now and again, not much more than any other team, and usually these are lapses in concentration not necessarily down to the players ability. But the amount of times we fail to score first is unbelievable. We need someone who can put the ball accurately into the danger zone for the likes of Lita, Lupoli, Siberski and occasionally Rusty and Pattison to get on the end of. i.e. David Bell.

Clingan runs his socks off in the middle of the park but has only managed 2 goals so far this season (both from the spot if i remember correctly), and is no deadball magician.

All in all, I agree we need defensive reinforcements but not at the expense of our creative players. Loans have worked relatively well so far this season. I know it is not the ideal solution but if you have limited funds then you have to prioritise. For the first time I find myself questioning Roeder''s judgements. I know, who am I to question? But I pay for my seat so I am allowed a voice.

Come on you yellows!!!!!

[Mook 0]

[quote user="wharfingcanary"]

Remember our promotion winning defence? Kenton, Fleming, Mackay and Drury played something like 40 of 46 games together that season.
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A good point, but I''m pretty sure it was Edworthy, as Kenton had already slung his hook by then...

[Allez17 0]

[quote user="Mook"]

[quote user="wharfingcanary"]Remember our promotion winning defence? Kenton, Fleming, Mackay and Drury played something like 40 of 46 games together that season. [/quote]

A good point, but I''m pretty sure it was Edworthy, as Kenton had already slung his hook by then...

[/quote]Indeed it was, with Keith Briggs getting about 45 minutes too. My bad.

[? 20]

Can''t see it happening even if it does turn out to be true, which i severly doubt.

As the Coventry fan said, Ward is easily worth more than Bell. Coleman, the last i checked, wasn''t a certified nutcase, so i can''t see him accepting it.

[Mook 0]

[quote user="wharfingcanary"][quote user="Mook"]

[quote user="wharfingcanary"]

Remember our promotion winning defence? Kenton, Fleming, Mackay and Drury played something like 40 of 46 games together that season.
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A good point, but I''m pretty sure it was Edworthy, as Kenton had already slung his hook by then...

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Indeed it was, with Keith Briggs getting about 45 minutes too. My bad.
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As I posted it, I was already annoyed with myself for detracting from your point for the sake of slightly imperfect recall. Sorry.

Worthington had incredible luck with injuries, and very good discipline regarding suspensions. The playoff season 2002 owed a lot to having such a settled team, it virtually picked itself! Nobody can tell me Rivers and Easton are better wingers than Croft & Bell/Hoolahan. I''m just hoping Clingan turns out to be the new Gary Holt, a player we''ve missed more than anyone else in my opinion.

[Rum Ol Boy 0]

I cannot believe this news? its looks like we are absolutely ROCK bottom......how can Roeder even contemplate getting rid of one of our best players? the board need to pull out EVERY possible stop to make sure this dosen''t happen......I am getting angry and frustrated at the demise of this club.......

[O.T.B.C 0]

I hope Bell stays, he has been very good so far and I would like to see him on the right.