Hayden

[BroadstairsR 2,272]

News page says that he is now leaving the Toon .... I suppose he's having his contract paid up? Couldn't read the gist of the article as it's a subscription too far for me.

This means his wage expectations wouldn't be anywhere near what they were, and the player need to be open to negotiation considering his recent injury record.

Everything about this player looks just right for City .... Except for that injury.

What stage of recovery was he at towards the end of the season, was he match ready, if not match fit? Can't recall much except that he was largely ineffective when he did play. 

Worth some sort of arrangement/risk, or will it be a case of once bitten twice shy? 

[Michael Starr 539]

So Hayden is the second "experienced" player coming in then. I mean, it would make sense. He is a good player when fit. No transfer fee, wage demands are probably lower now.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,162]

15 minutes ago, Michael Starr said:

So Hayden is the second "experienced" player coming in then. I mean, it would make sense. He is a good player when fit. No transfer fee, wage demands are probably lower now.

He's already missed most of  a season with us. He's probably good for the dressing room, but blimey

[Newtopia 545]

3 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

He's already missed most of  a season with us. He's probably good for the dressing room, but blimey

Definitely need some specialist advice about the injury.  When he was fit he was a too good for the championship 

[KeiranShikari 1,524]

Hayden on a contract that reflects how much time he's spent out injured in the last few years might be interesting to Norwich but it would essentially be risking going without a real DM again.

[Helsinki canary 248]

6 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said:

Hayden on a contract that reflects how much time he's spent out injured in the last few years might be interesting to Norwich but it would essentially be risking going without a real DM again.

This is the key point, can we really risk going without a reliable and consistent DM aka Skipp or Tettey, we absolutely need a solid back up to him if we do take the risk, in the Skipp season we had Tettey waiting on the bench if and when needed. The team needs to be built around the key missing positions AM and DM as we have seen over the years - Tettey/Wes , Skipp/Buendia etc 

[Michael Starr 539]

It's got to be worth a punt on Hayden as an option, as long as the contract is built around appearances and bonuses from those appearances rather than a set x per month for x years, and as long as we have another option brought in because on his day, he's a top player at this level.

Edited May 27, 2023 by Michael Starr

[Capt. Pants 4,501]

Not for me.

We need a DM that we can rely on and build a midfield around so we can bring out the best/better in our creative players for the next 2 or 3 seasons.

Normann and Hayden had an injury history that we were prepared to gloss over. Perhaps it will be a case of 3rd time lucky but please not Hayden.

PS I don't see where people have seen that quality - he looks very ordinary.

 

[SwearyCanary 1,223]

2 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Not for me.

We need a DM that we can rely on and build a midfield around so we can bring out the best/better in our creative players for the next 2 or 3 seasons.

Normann and Hayden had an injury history that we were prepared to gloss over. Perhaps it will be a case of 3rd time lucky but please not Hayden.

PS I don't see where people have seen that quality - he looks very ordinary.

 

This. Never seen him have a stand out game for us. If we get him cheap and he isn’t crocked then it’s only possible that he is good at this level NOW. We are not doubting the Hayden of a couple of years ago, but I think there’s enough doubt about Hayden since to be pretty suicidal getting him in if he doesn’t come good. That’s what the people at the top are paid for in my view, the balance between a brave decision and a logical one and getting that right right now has never been more critical to those people. 

Personally I’m a no, but if Webber did get him and it worked out he’d have bragging rights over the detractors for a season or two. I think it’s doubtful considering he was a ‘Smith’ orientated player. Whatever the **** that means.

[Indy 3,394]

I think people are forgetting our finances this summer. We borrowed on this years parachute money and no doubt need to sell a few players to cover upcoming debt and to use some of that money for new signings.

Hayden may not be a player that can play full 46 game season but for free and lower wages can certainly be added value to our squad in an area which needs cover.

[Worthy Nigelton 1,131]

Not for me. He was very average when he did play and that was hardly ever.

[Monty13 2,494]

27 minutes ago, Indy said:

I think people are forgetting our finances this summer. We borrowed on this years parachute money and no doubt need to sell a few players to cover upcoming debt and to use some of that money for new signings.

Hayden may not be a player that can play full 46 game season but for free and lower wages can certainly be added value to our squad in an area which needs cover.

He can’t cover if injured. Hayden was a coup if he was fit, a genuinely talented DM with PL experience.

I may be wrong but I don’t think he’s going anywhere in the Championship to play backup so that means we need someone else of quality to be backup if he’s injured again.

He may play circa 40 games for someone next season and that’s the risk but I don’t think it’s necessarily a risk we should be taking.

[pete 329]

Sounds like everyone is in agreement in signing Hayden because he is free.  That maybe the reason we take the risk but when he did get off his survived his performances were lacklustre.  Do not expect him to be any better or keep fit.  You can expect City to give him an inflated wage.

Is he really a DM?  Not sure good enough to Marshall the defence.

[CANARYKING 658]

Do you trust our medical team to get this right this time, how many times have the cocked it up before !

[TheGunnShow 6,588]

If this is true then he will be somewhat used to how other players work in the team, but he really needs a pre-season where he doesn't suffer any relapses. Bit underwhelmed at this potential signing, but I can see the thinking behind it.

[TIL 1010 4,951]

No, no and no from me. Christ on a bike even when he put in an odd appearance or two he was underwhelming.

[norfolkngood 1,110]

No fitness is key in that midfield role 

hayden is far to injury prone 

Webber has had since skipp left to find a CDM  if this is the best he can come up with we are in big trouble 

[The Raptor 1,377]

6 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

He's already missed most of  a season with us. He's probably good for the dressing room, but blimey

Good for the dressing room? We've been mentally week all season. He's part of that. not for me.

[By Hook or Ian crook 930]

On 23/05/2023 at 11:42, Yobocop said:

Yes, on par with Jason Jarrett that one 

At least double J swung a mean guitar 🎸 

[Branston Pickle 3,841]

5 hours ago, Worthy Nigelton said:

Not for me. He was very average when he did play and that was hardly ever.

Problem is he was never truly 100% match sharp - it’s not unfair to assume he would have done better with a run of games.

I’m not sure whether the risk is worth it for us -we’ve been found wanting two years running in our recruitment for that role, we don’t want a third.

[Samwam27 551]

After Normann and then Hayden i think we really need to try and build around a CDM that is fully fit, rather than a 3rd term of someone who's had recent injuries.

Even a Hayden on a free is a massive risk, considering how many fames he missed last season. One slight, unfortunate knock and he could be out all season.

Its a no from me