When will it stop?

[Bradwell canary 112]

Time at the end of this season to totally stop taking the knee. It’s more than run its course. I notice other clubs in other countries have stopped doing it. If we carry on next season, then we are going to look even more ridiculous. It’s more than run its course. After all it was triggered off by an event, not here , but in the USA. Wonder if they are still doing it over there?

clapping the carers was stopped at the right time, before it simply faded away. 
Even the black player Zaha at Crystal Palace has stopped, saying that it’s doing no good.

Or is our problem more that players and clubs are scared to stop for fear of being called racialist?

 

[canarydan23 4,770]

Lol

[wcorkcanary 4,786]

7 minutes ago, Bradwell canary said:

Time at the end of this season to totally stop taking the knee. It’s more than run its course. I notice other clubs in other countries have stopped doing it. If we carry on next season, then we are going to look even more ridiculous. It’s more than run its course. After all it was triggered off by an event, not here , but in the USA. Wonder if they are still doing it over there?

clapping the carers was stopped at the right time, before it simply faded away. 
Even the black player Zaha at Crystal Palace has stopped, saying that it’s doing no good.

Or is our problem more that players and clubs are scared to stop for fear of being called racialist?

 

What's a racialist? Is it a bit like a racist?

[Capt. Pants 5,018]

6 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

What's a racialist? Is it a bit like a racist?

A person who thinks racism is justified.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,804]

It's optional. If the players don't want to take a knee then they don't have to and many don't. If you refuse to allow them that choice then I'm afraid you might just be a tad facist.

[wcorkcanary 4,786]

3 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

It's optional. If the players don't want to take a knee then they don't have to and many don't. If you refuse to allow them that choice then I'm afraid you might just be a tad facist.

Jaysus Cambridgeo, is that sense you're  talking? Had your coffee early today?

[cambridgeshire canary 7,804]

2 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Jaysus Cambridgeo, is that sense you're  talking? Had your coffee early today?

Facism- Defined by dictatorship. Aka, dictating what people can or can't do. Right now taking the knee is a choice. If OP want's to take away that choice he is dictating what people can and can't do and taking away their freedom to choose. Annnnd into off topic we go 😉

[wcorkcanary 4,786]

1 minute ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Facism- Defined by dictatorship. Aka, dictating what people can or can't do. Right now taking the knee is a choice. If OP want's to take away that choice he is dictating what people can and can't do and taking away their freedom to choose. Annnnd into off topic we go 😉

A tad defensive? I was agreeing with you.  Good morning.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,804]

2 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

A tad defensive? I was agreeing with you.  Good morning.

I know, and I appriciate it. Was just proving a backup for anyone who wanted to argue 😂

[1902 1,167]

"time to stop" meaning "I didn't like it in the first place and have always opposed it because it makes me feel uncomfortable"

[Nuff Said 5,973]

1 minute ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

I know, and I appriciate it. Was just proving a backup for anyone who wanted to argue 😂

You little tinker. Who would have thought you’d be deliberately trying to generate more activity on here? 😱 😉

[essex canary 623]

1 hour ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

It's optional. If the players don't want to take a knee then they don't have to and many don't. If you refuse to allow them that choice then I'm afraid you might just be a tad facist.

Is a player allowed to do a lap of the pitch and touch each corner flag before the game if he wants to? Perhaps take his shirt off when he scores a goal? Perhaps we should accept that a 90 minute game might take 90 hours to allow for players doing whatever they want to delay play?

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

As with any movement, time softens people's response. Is anyone in any doubt what taking the knee means? Does anyone in the crowd take any notice.? Does anyone else do it at any other event?

BLM started to grow from a traumatic event in the US but in many cases has turned turtle and is now a symbol of anarchy.

And I still hold the view that you can legislate, advertise, educate all you want but there are still a huge amount of evil bustards in this world. I wonder how much further equality and opportunity for everyone can go.

[Badger 2,745]

1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said:

As with any movement, time softens people's response. Is anyone in any doubt what taking the knee means? Does anyone in the crowd take any notice.? Does anyone else do it at any other event?

BLM started to grow from a traumatic event in the US but in many cases has turned turtle and is now a symbol of anarchy.

And I still hold the view that you can legislate, advertise, educate all you want but there are still a huge amount of evil bustards in this world. I wonder how much further equality and opportunity for everyone can go.

Does anyone in the crowd take any notice.? There is a block of fans in front of me that boo it with great vehemence each week.

I wonder how much further equality and opportunity for everyone can go. A lot further if you take a historical perspective. It's only just 150 years since married women were allowed to own property; less than a hundred since they were able to vote on an equal basis with men; it is only 30 years since forced sexual activity was made illegal in marriage etc. Progress may be too slow, but it is there and it continues. It is a similar story with race. Although the right are currently trying to reduce social, race and gender equality atm it is just a blip in the longer-term historical context.

[shefcanary 2,956]

13 minutes ago, Badger said:

Does anyone in the crowd take any notice.? There is a block of fans in front of me that boo it with great vehemence each week.

Do they give a reason for this @Badger?

[Wings of a Sparrow 1,708]

2 hours ago, Bradwell canary said:

Time at the end of this season to totally stop taking the knee. It’s more than run its course. I notice other clubs in other countries have stopped doing it. If we carry on next season, then we are going to look even more ridiculous. It’s more than run its course. After all it was triggered off by an event, not here , but in the USA. Wonder if they are still doing it over there?

clapping the carers was stopped at the right time, before it simply faded away. 
Even the black player Zaha at Crystal Palace has stopped, saying that it’s doing no good.

Or is our problem more that players and clubs are scared to stop for fear of being called racialist?

 

Has it more than run its course?

[Badger 2,745]

8 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

Do they give a reason for this @Badger?

They are racists, but probably claim to be anti-Marxist freedom fighters.

[KernowCanary 214]

It’s always the same old sentences mentioned by the commentators whenever it’s for as well.

Zaha never does it.

[Badger 2,745]

18 minutes ago, KernowCanary said:

It’s always the same old sentences mentioned by the commentators whenever it’s for as well.

Zaha never does it.

+ What they never go on to say is that he wants stronger action taken - I'd be more sympathetic to the OP's view if he could identify the stronger action that should be taken to replace it.

2. Nor do they mention that the PFA has carried out a survey on the matter and found that it has overwhelming support for it amongst players.

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

42 minutes ago, Badger said:

Does anyone in the crowd take any notice.? There is a block of fans in front of me that boo it with great vehemence each week.

I wonder how much further equality and opportunity for everyone can go. A lot further if you take a historical perspective. It's only just 150 years since married women were allowed to own property; less than a hundred since they were able to vote on an equal basis with men; it is only 30 years since forced sexual activity was made illegal in marriage etc. Progress may be too slow, but it is there and it continues. It is a similar story with race. Although the right are currently trying to reduce social, race and gender equality atm it is just a blip in the longer-term historical context.

You point out things that have happened Badger. So what more is there to legislate for? In the eyes of the law were are all equal (apart from being able to afford the law). Racism, mysoginy, equal pay, homophobia etc have outlawed for what they are. So has drink driving, smoking in public etc. Who polices it and how do you legislate for people who either ignore it or deliberately break it?

Unfortunately the people who do break these laws can be stereotyped. But the same legislations and freedoms that have rightly evolved don't allow us to point out the stereotypes. Its a kind of human nature quid pro quo.

[TIL 1010 5,246]

28 minutes ago, KernowCanary said:

 

Zaha never does it.

Nor does Zimmermann.

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

3 minutes ago, Badger said:

+ What they never go on to say is that he wants stronger action taken - I'd be more sympathetic to the OP's view if he could identify the stronger action that should be taken to replace it.

2. Nor do they mention that the PFA has carried out a survey on the matter and found that it has overwhelming support for it amongst players.

What Zaha wants is utopia. Fine, we all do but what more action can you do than legislate against it? The majority of people are disgusted by these things. How do you punish those who aren't? Hate has become a word associated with crime. And to me that is a very tricky position. Can you really tell somebody they cannot hate? Don't we all hate Putin?

The democracy we live in has evolved. And still will no doubt. The points you mentioned earlier are evidence of this. But how far do you go to create a society that not everyone wants to be a part of?

[Badger 2,745]

4 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Who polices it and how do you legislate for people who either ignore it or deliberately break it?

This would be a good starting point - i.e. monitor the laws more effectively and take action against those that break the law. Unfortunately this includes the govt (all parties)!

Legal aid for employment tribunal etc when the Company employs barristers at employment tribunals might be a start!

[Nexus_Canary 1,206]

3 hours ago, Bradwell canary said:

Even the black player Zaha at Crystal Palace has stopped, saying that it’s doing no good.

 

Jesus christ what a statement. Might as well have pointed your finger at him.
Tooney doesn't do it neither did the Newcastle GK.

Why does it bother or effect you if they do or don't?! Let them get on with it, if nothing else its a show of solidarity which is needed unfortunately in 2022. We should be well past racism as a culture but its on the rise which is mind boggling. 

[Badger 2,745]

2 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

What Zaha wants is utopia. Fine, we all do but what more action can you do than legislate against it?

Zaha doesn't want Utopia, he wants an end to discrimination and abuse. The action that I would start with is to implement the legislation.

[Google Bot 3,936]

When it originally came in, My mind would reflect on the subject as they took the knee.  But unless there's some boo's I barely register that it's happening now. 

However, If there's kids who feel they're getting knocked back due to their skin colour and this still gives them hope, then what I think is irrelevant. This is more about supporting the minority than pleasing the majority, after all.

Edited May 5, 2022 by Google Bot

[Badger 2,745]

9 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Nor does Zimmermann.

Not saying he's slow, but in his case, I think that it's because he is worried he wouldn't manage to get back up again in time for kick off 😃

[hogesar 10,774]

As with anything, after a period of time it feels more 'routine' and perhaps loses it's effect.

But the fact it's still being brought up on here and other football forums suggests it's actually still worthwhile!

[Duncan Edwards 2,424]

54 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Nor does Zimmermann.

Only so he doesn’t get injured…

 

I see Badger has already been there.👍

Edited May 5, 2022 by Duncan Edwards

[TIL 1010 5,246]

1 minute ago, Duncan Edwards said:

Only so he doesn’t get injured…

Badger beat you to it Dunc. Do keep up please. 😜