Giannoulis

[mannings bandy legs 439]

Dean Smith has said that after playing at Anfield on the Wednesday,he was feeling TIRED so was'nt able to be considered for the Brentford game.I really do wonder what the modern footballer is made of. Best pitches, best diet,best recovery set up. Could'nt make it up!

[Mengo 852]

2 minutes ago, mannings bandy legs said:

Dean Smith has said that after playing at Anfield on the Wednesday,he was feeling TIRED so was'nt able to be considered for the Brentford game.I really do wonder what the modern footballer is made of. Best pitches, best diet,best recovery set up. Could'nt make it up!

Yep! Sometimes you have to ask WTF

Pampered pooches it would appear

 

[daisy 145]

Yeah I noticed that. I think it`s code for I don`t rate Giannoulis.

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

I think I mentioned it cynically on another post. How can he be tired? He doesn't play.

So lets have it. If you play too much you are tired. If you don't play you are equally tired.

From what I remember, a lot of the players were tired during Mike Walker's second tenure. But for other reasons.

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,223]

Many moons ago my uncle was so keen to play his Wednesday league game that he swapped shifts to enable him to play, this entailed him getting up very early to be able to shovel coal on a steam train between Kings Cross and Doncaster, arriving at 06:00, quick breakfast, and shovelling more coal on a steam train from Doncaster back to Kings Cross, on arrival a quick jog across the platform to be picked up by the team coach an off to play a game of football...........

[cambridgeshire canary 7,798]

Back in my day footballers had to walk barefoot for twenty miles in snow storms backwards while carring sacks of potatoes on their backs.. And that was just the pre match warm up! Bunch of pansis these days 😉

[Mello Yello 2,572]

I tell you it's jet lag.....It's running rife through the squad.....Them 35 minute transit flights can certainly take it out of you......

[Yellow Wal 315]

A good defensive full back who can attack a bit is a bonus, a good attacking full back who can defend a bit is a liability.

[Flying Dutchman 766]

3 hours ago, mannings bandy legs said:

Dean Smith has said that after playing at Anfield on the Wednesday,he was feeling TIRED so was'nt able to be considered for the Brentford game.I really do wonder what the modern footballer is made of. Best pitches, best diet,best recovery set up. Could'nt make it up!

Whilst I think I get where you are coming from, I will never understand people who attack players from this angle.

Slate them for being princesses in absolute maximum peak condition, requiring the best pithes, diet, recovery etc. as you say.

But then go mental at them when they don't play at 100% peak level week in week out. The tiredness will be to do with match fitness, most likely. That's why he probably wasn;t at his best.

Our manager then offers a reason, NOT an excuse, a reason.

And predictably what is your reaction? Sl@g the lad off for being a footballer conditioned to a certain standard.

Both footballers AND expectations have changed in tandem, try looking at your own expectations first.

[Badger 2,745]

2 hours ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

Many moons ago my uncle was so keen to play his Wednesday league game that he swapped shifts to enable him to play, this entailed him getting up very early to be able to shovel coal on a steam train between Kings Cross and Doncaster, arriving at 06:00, quick breakfast, and shovelling more coal on a steam train from Doncaster back to Kings Cross, on arrival a quick jog across the platform to be picked up by the team coach an off to play a game of football...........

I bet he was tired 😄

[Badger 2,745]

2 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Back in my day footballers had to walk barefoot for twenty miles in snow storms backwards while carring sacks of potatoes on their backs.. And that was just the pre match warm up! Bunch of pansis these days 😉

You're not old enough to remember Alf Tupper - what an athlete! (One for the older fans)

Edited March 8, 2022 by Badger
Corrected appalling grammatical error

[Mengo 852]

7 minutes ago, Badger said:

You're not old enough to remember Alf Tupper - what an athlete! (One for the older fans)

What a man. I think we could do with a Roy of the Rovers just now.

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

57 minutes ago, Badger said:

You're not old enough to remember Alf Tupper - what an athlete! (One for the older fans)

King of the Track. Anti establishment. An olden day Steve Ovett. Arrogant when winning but not one to pretend he was an "elite". Not a sulker like "that damn fine chap Coe, what what".

I saw Dorothy Hyman interviewed and she said the establishment at AAAs didn't like her because she was a Northener. Geordies are fine now of course.

 

[(Hoola)Han Solo 324]

I don’t think either Farke or Smith rate him as a Premier League defender. I think that’s the crux of the matter.

[Badger 2,745]

1 hour ago, Mengo said:

What a man. I think we could do with a Roy of the Rovers just now.

And all powered by fish and chips 😀

[Badger 2,745]

1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said:

King of the Track. Anti establishment. An olden day Steve Ovett.

 

I hate to break it to you, but to most on here, Steve Ovett is "olden day" too. (The young scamp).

 

Edited March 8, 2022 by Badger
Blame Paddycanary 😀

[paddycanary 579]

10 minutes ago, Badger said:

I hate to break it to you, but to most on here, Steve Overt is "olden day" too. (The young scamp).

 

May I politely suggest another quick edit Badger? 

[TheGunnShow 7,377]

Makes perfect sense if you're an overlapping wing-back. How many of us are regular runners?

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,223]

1 hour ago, TheGunnShow said:

Makes perfect sense if you're an overlapping wing-back. How many of us are regular runners?

Not sure what the point here is, haven't thee been instances of people running seven marathons in seven days?........

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

Smith now saying Rupp also wasn't available for the Brentford game due to fatigue.

I guess I'm a bit surprised a professional athlete hasn't flushed their legs out more than 48 hours after their last match, so it suggests their absence was more precautionary than anything else given previous injuries.

 

[TheGunnShow 7,377]

5 minutes ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

Not sure what the point here is, haven't thee been instances of people running seven marathons in seven days?........

Won't have raced them, that's for sure. There's a very big difference between a leisurely jog round and a full-paced effort. If I run my half-mara PB in just under an hour and forty-five, there's no speed being thrown out for a few days afterwards. Do it as a jog in two-and-a-quarter and there's no pain the next day.

Short and simple, the body needs time to recover after intensive activity. Sure, the fitter you are, the less time you need to recover as a rule, but the more you push when tired, the more likely you are to either not be as fresh/sprightly as you were earlier on, or worse still, the greater the risk of injury due to overuse/overload.

The general rule of thumb when racing is "a mile per day". By that, we mean if you've raced full effort, you'll need a day to shake a mile out of your legs fully. Granted, in football you've always got little breaks in play so it's not constant effort, but you are spending considerable periods at very high levels of intensity, and recovery is particularly important so as not to overload.

I can definitely understand an attacking full-back, who usually has more ground to cover than anyone else, feeling fatigued after an intense game.

[canarybubbles 2,199]

Was this reported second-hand or did Smith say it directly in a press conference? Either way, how do we know what Giannoulis said or how he said it? 'I'm a bit tired' is very different from 'I'm so tired I'm not sure I can make the next game'. This sounds like mischief-making to me.

[Red_Spartan 19]

Both of these players have been out of the game with covid previously too. I would echo the TGS point re recovery.

[TheGunnShow 7,377]

Just realised - I have a good practical example from when I did an event called the Läufer-König (running King) which was part of the myriad events making up the Spreewald Marathon back in 2015. They have an event called the Biosphere Run, starting and finishing in the very picturesque small town of Lübbenau. It's just over a half-marathon in distance, closer to 14 miles than 13, and all within the Spreewald biosphere.

If you're doing the Läufer-König, you run this on Saturday and the Spreewald half-marathon on Sunday (the hardcore ones, the Läufer-Krone, or "running crown" do the full marathon on Sunday.

I'd taken my time during the Biosphere run and ran it in around 2h 12. Stopped for a slash in the woods at one stage, stopped to eat Spreewald gherkins and Haribo (not a combination I recommend) at a later station. Finished, hadn't broken sweat. Decided I'd really attack the half-marathon the day after and go out at PB pace (just under 1:44 back then) to see how long I could hold it.

About 12 kilometres was the answer. Wheels came right off after that and I did 1h 52. Hadn't got the previous day's dead easy long one fully out of the legs.

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

On 08/03/2022 at 21:16, Badger said:

You're not old enough to remember Alf Tupper - what an athlete! (One for the older fans)

Yep,good old Alf, always late for a race,often no running shoes, yet he usually beat the Toffs and somehow managed to scrape together the price of fish n chips.... top grub!!!

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

On 08/03/2022 at 22:26, keelansgrandad said:

King of the Track. Anti establishment. An olden day Steve Ovett. Arrogant when winning but not one to pretend he was an "elite". Not a sulker like "that damn fine chap Coe, what what".

I saw Dorothy Hyman interviewed and she said the establishment at AAAs didn't like her because she was a Northener. Geordies are fine now of course.

 

'The Tough of the Track' IIRC

[Mello Yello 2,572]

This day and age Alf tupper could just about afford a small portion of chips with a small battered sausage.....

[Chichcan 149]

 

On 08/03/2022 at 22:33, (Hoola)Han Solo said:

I don’t think either Farke or Smith rate him as a Premier League defender. I think that’s the crux of the matter.

It does look that way which makes me wonder what we'll do with him

He was good in the Championship so should we make him 1st choice next year and get rid if we get promoted?

I'd be disappointed if he left as I'd like to see him and Tzolis together next season 

[(Hoola)Han Solo 324]

32 minutes ago, Chichcan said:

 

It does look that way which makes me wonder what we'll do with him

He was good in the Championship so should we make him 1st choice next year and get rid if we get promoted?

I'd be disappointed if he left as I'd like to see him and Tzolis together next season 

He was a decent attacking threat last season. Could probably do a job in the Premier League if we had the defensive midfield players to offer protection to the back four. Skipp covered for the full backs last season.

[Michael Starr 571]

He's peeved off I'd imagine. Can't get a look in despite being one of our better technical players in a poor side. I would seriously consider pushing him up to the wing and push Rashica up alongside Pukki, but that won't happen because we're now so desperately dependent on Rashica getting the ball on the edge of our own box and driving it forward to relieve the "defence". Rashica is literally our only outlet right now between defence and midfield, at least, until Normann can start threading those through balls again for Pukki to run onto.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Michael Starr