Lockdown

[The Bristol Nest 516]

27th December  until 10th January according to a reliable source.How will this affect January's games? Prem meeting today.

[fredherring 136]

Insane if true. 

South African data is now clear. 

One death here. 

People supporting the destruction of our economy, sports, childrens education, and insane increases in preventable cancer deaths, over this needs to give their head a wobble. 

[cambridgeshire canary 6,735]

Feel like Boris won't want to risk it. Polls already showing massive losses.

[Christoph Stiepermann 1,138]

It'll be pointless and will cause so much more harm to peoples physical and mental wellbeing as well as their livelihoods and businesses. 

People won't stay inside, that trip to the supermarket will be their only form of socialization so they'll go every day instead of once a week and it'll spread the thing around regardless. If you close gyms and leisure facilities you cause significant damage to many people's physical and mental health, for many people exercise is what keeps them away from their vices/addictions and bad habits and as it's been pretty much proven that physical and mental health relay each other you end up with a less healthy population which is more vulnerable to disease like covid which further adds to the stress placed in hospitals. 

People will lose money which again damages mental health, people will be resentful and angry with the government making them less likely to follow advice in the future, instances of domestic abuse will go up and because police forces will be stressed by having to police the lockdown they'll be less able to respond quickly etc I could go on and on about what a horrific idea this is. 

The horse has bolted, covid is here and it's going to kill people, yeah it sucks but so do cancer deaths, deaths on the road, people being killed or injured by domestic abuse, people dying of the regular flu etc The time has come to accept the reality of the situation and live with it

[The Bristol Nest 516]

I wasn't told how strict it will be as not decided.

9 out of 10 seriously bothering the NHS are unvaccinated and there nearly six million of them.

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

It's a great idea, it will give all those players a little rest before the Africa Cup of Nations starts. 😀

[non-scoring strikers 113]

It's the unvaccinated who are keeping this thing perpetuating and getting out of hand like it is.

ICU's across the country are mainly only full of unvaccinated people now.

They're the ones whinging about their freedoms but it's their selfish behaviour that's taking it away from the rest of us.

[Capt. Pants 4,246]

Well I hope NCFC approaches project restart better than we did the last one.

 

 

 

[ncfcstar 292]

18 minutes ago, Christoph Stiepermann said:

It'll be pointless and will cause so much more harm to peoples physical and mental wellbeing as well as their livelihoods and businesses. 

People won't stay inside, that trip to the supermarket will be their only form of socialization so they'll go every day instead of once a week and it'll spread the thing around regardless. If you close gyms and leisure facilities you cause significant damage to many people's physical and mental health, for many people exercise is what keeps them away from their vices/addictions and bad habits and as it's been pretty much proven that physical and mental health relay each other you end up with a less healthy population which is more vulnerable to disease like covid which further adds to the stress placed in hospitals. 

People will lose money which again damages mental health, people will be resentful and angry with the government making them less likely to follow advice in the future, instances of domestic abuse will go up and because police forces will be stressed by having to police the lockdown they'll be less able to respond quickly etc I could go on and on about what a horrific idea this is. 

The horse has bolted, covid is here and it's going to kill people, yeah it sucks but so do cancer deaths, deaths on the road, people being killed or injured by domestic abuse, people dying of the regular flu etc The time has come to accept the reality of the situation and live with it

I understand and sympathise with a lot of what you are saying, but we aren't talking about a full on lockdown from what all the reports have been saying and it's two weeks with a definitive end date - this isn't March 2020 again.

[Capt. Pants 4,246]

13 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

It's a great idea, it will give all those players a little rest before the Africa Cup of Nations starts. 😀

Yeah Africa a great place to go.

[Unhinged Canary 375]

Prem games still going ahead. Breaking news on Beeb.

[Mengo 823]

Just now, Unhinged Canary said:

Prem games still going ahead. Breaking news on Beeb.

 

[ncfcstar 292]

 

[The Bristol Nest 516]

Times saying 28th now. 

[Virtual reality 712]

1 hour ago, non-scoring strikers said:

It's the unvaccinated who are keeping this thing perpetuating and getting out of hand like it is.

ICU's across the country are mainly only full of unvaccinated people now.

They're the ones whinging about their freedoms but it's their selfish behaviour that's taking it away from the rest of us.

False information 

 

[The Bristol Nest 516]

40% admitted is a very large number of people that is testing the capacity of the NHS. Numbers are possibly due to rise exponentially.

[canarydan23 4,060]

1 minute ago, The Bristol Nest said:

40% admitted is a very large number of people that is testing the capacity of the NHS. Numbers are possibly due to rise exponentially.

And the figures suggest that over 70% of Covid patients in ICU are unvaccinated.

[Virtual reality 712]

2 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

And the figures suggest that over 70% of Covid patients in ICU are unvaccinated.

 

[RobJames 881]

2 hours ago, Christoph Stiepermann said:

The horse has bolted, covid is here and it's going to kill people, yeah it sucks but so do cancer deaths, deaths on the road, people being killed or injured by domestic abuse, people dying of the regular flu etc The time has come to accept the reality of the situation and live with it

It is NOT about deaths. People die, they get buried. Yes they will be more. It is about the numbers off work. Carry on with your stupidity. There will not be enough hospital or care workers to cope with those already ill.  At the current rate almost all non emergency operations will be cancelled. Only life threatening emergencies will be accepted. It is the idiocy that you spout that is driving this crisis.

[Jambomo 215]

2 hours ago, fredherring said:

Insane if true. 

South African data is now clear. 

One death here. 

People supporting the destruction of our economy, sports, childrens education, and insane increases in preventable cancer deaths, over this needs to give their head a wobble. 

The problem that many people don’t appreciate though is the damage that is done by a high rate of sickness occurring in society.

One example was my brother who runs a cafe down south. When they had a bad wave of Covid nearly all his staff had it at the same time (it is a small place) and they were closed for nearly 2 weeks in the end. That’s a huge amount of income to lose and this is reflected throughout the country in small-medium sized businesses. Likewise today I was travelling by train and there were loads of cancelled trains due to staff sickness, so it impacts on businesses a lot. 

Lockdown usually brings with it furlough money, so actually for the economy, it’s not always the worst option - because the financial loss is being acknowledged  and at least some effort made to rectify it. 

[Nuff Said 5,145]

7 minutes ago, Virtual reality said:

 

Worth reading the whole thread though. Sadly, as the thread says, governments often have - or at least they ought - to make decisions before we know enough to make an informed choice. This means taking the cautious option. 
 

 

[cambridgeshire canary 6,735]

Get your jab!

 

Sorry, need a lockdow now.

 

Get your second and third jab!

 

Sorry, need a lockdown now.

 

When will it end? By the fifth and six jab? the tenth jab?

[Coneys Knee 962]

Probably, best to listen to nobody! Be it Boris or the Jamie stat attack man cos you can bet your bottom dollar 99.9% of it is utter bo!!ock$

[Virtual reality 712]

2 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

Worth reading the whole thread though. Sadly, as the thread says, governments often have - or at least they ought - to make decisions before we know enough to make an informed choice. This means taking the cautious option. 
 

 

Not sure what that has to do with what I’ve posted to be honest. With all these wild claims and percentages flying around it’s good to have a trustworthy source for statistics. The guy posted was an analyst for the ONS

[Virtual reality 712]

2 minutes ago, Coneys Knee said:

Probably, best to listen to nobody! Be it Boris or the Jamie stat attack man cos you can bet your bottom dollar 99.9% of it is utter bo!!ock$

If you check his credentials I highly doubt it is **** 

ONS wins global prize for communication of statistics

 

Statisticians at the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in Newport have been recognised for their skill in communicating statistics at a conference of the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE) in Geneva. The conference brings together national statistical agencies from across the world. 

ONS Labour Market Analyst Jamie Jenkins and Tegwen Green from the ONS Good Practice Team were awarded top prize for their presentation on the work being done within the UK to improve the communication of ONS statistics and share best practice. ONS continues its success within this prize category, Alan Smith OBE from the Digital Publishing Division won the award in 2013 with Jamie taking the runner-up spot.

Jamie Jenkins said: "Our figures can be complicated, so we've been looking at different ways of presenting them, including the use of bold 'infographics' that tell the story easily and simply and are also great for sharing via social media. We want statistics to be easy to understand and to use, and it's great that others are adopting this approach for their work too"

The ONS Labour Market Team have been increasingly using this type of format to breakdown the statistics into a format which is easily read and understood, but also featuring a strong news angle to appeal to the media. The team have become very successful at achieving this and have inspired other business areas to follow their lead."

Edited December 20, 2021 by Virtual reality

[canarydan23 4,060]

7 minutes ago, Virtual reality said:

 

Not sure who this Jamie Jenkins is, I don't have Twitter, but I suspect he's a rabid anti-vaxxer suffering from a bit of cognitive dissonance. He's not even trying to hide the manipulation of the figures. Why refer to a percentage covering all hospital covid admissions? He's even included in the Javid quote that we are referring to the "most ill" Covid patients, and then Mr Jenkins goes on the refer to all Covid patients.

And there may be a data sample that has only looked at 154 patients over 5 months that has suggested 90% of ICU Covid admissions are unvaccinated. But there are other examples involving greater data sets that have similar conclusions. A report published this month that looked at ICU admissions between 1 May and 31 July used 2,422 admitted patients. 80.2% were not doubled jabbed.

Plenty of anecdotal quotes around from people at the coalface as well.

Also quite worryingly, the median age for Covid ICU admissions for unvaccinated patients is nearly 20 YEARS younger than the vaccinated Covid ICU admissions.

[Virtual reality 712]

3 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Not sure who this Jamie Jenkins is, I don't have Twitter, but I suspect he's a rabid anti-vaxxer suffering from a bit of cognitive dissonance. He's not even trying to hide the manipulation of the figures. Why refer to a percentage covering all hospital covid admissions? He's even included in the Javid quote that we are referring to the "most ill" Covid patients, and then Mr Jenkins goes on the refer to all Covid patients.

And there may be a data sample that has only looked at 154 patients over 5 months that has suggested 90% of ICU Covid admissions are unvaccinated. But there are other examples involving greater data sets that have similar conclusions. A report published this month that looked at ICU admissions between 1 May and 31 July used 2,422 admitted patients. 80.2% were not doubled jabbed.

Plenty of anecdotal quotes around from people at the coalface as well.

Also quite worryingly, the median age for Covid ICU admissions for unvaccinated patients is nearly 20 YEARS younger than the vaccinated Covid ICU admissions.

Nope. He’s an award winning analyst for the office of National statistics that has taken to fact checking the government’s wild claims 

[1902 1,167]

2 hours ago, Christoph Stiepermann said:

It'll be pointless and will cause so much more harm to peoples physical and mental wellbeing as well as their livelihoods and businesses. 

People won't stay inside, that trip to the supermarket will be their only form of socialization so they'll go every day instead of once a week and it'll spread the thing around regardless. If you close gyms and leisure facilities you cause significant damage to many people's physical and mental health, for many people exercise is what keeps them away from their vices/addictions and bad habits and as it's been pretty much proven that physical and mental health relay each other you end up with a less healthy population which is more vulnerable to disease like covid which further adds to the stress placed in hospitals. 

People will lose money which again damages mental health, people will be resentful and angry with the government making them less likely to follow advice in the future, instances of domestic abuse will go up and because police forces will be stressed by having to police the lockdown they'll be less able to respond quickly etc I could go on and on about what a horrific idea this is. 

The horse has bolted, covid is here and it's going to kill people, yeah it sucks but so do cancer deaths, deaths on the road, people being killed or injured by domestic abuse, people dying of the regular flu etc The time has come to accept the reality of the situation and live with it

We can't live with something if it overwhelms the NHS, because if it does the knock on effect will be literally all of the above, plus more deaths from usually avoidable illnesses.

Your critique of lockdowns are all valid, however your solution seems to be to just ignore a growing wave, as if this won't damage businesses, damage people's mental health, hamper education. 

I get the frustration,  but you haven't actually articulated how learning to live with it will actually work? The only way life goes on as you suggest is if cases don't translate into hospitalisations with this variant. Pray it happens but we will only know it in a few weeks.

If that's the case or you can explain an alternative control measure to keep basic health services functioning that's plausible, I'll completely agree with the just leave it be approach.

Edited December 20, 2021 by 1902

[RobJames 881]

13 minutes ago, Jambomo said:

The problem that many people don’t appreciate though is the damage that is done by a high rate of sickness occurring in society.

One example was my brother who runs a cafe down south. When they had a bad wave of Covid nearly all his staff had it at the same time (it is a small place) and they were closed for nearly 2 weeks in the end. That’s a huge amount of income to lose and this is reflected throughout the country in small-medium sized businesses. Likewise today I was travelling by train and there were loads of cancelled trains due to staff sickness, so it impacts on businesses a lot. 

Lockdown usually brings with it furlough money, so actually for the economy, it’s not always the worst option - because the financial loss is being acknowledged  and at least some effort made to rectify it. 

Thereon lies the problem. The stupid are demanding that everything stays open. Ignoring that they will be no staff to keep things open. Annoying when it's your local. Frightening when it's your local hospital.

[Capt. Pants 4,246]

29 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

And the figures suggest that over 70% of Covid patients in ICU are unvaccinated.

I hope they are not being prioritised over vaccinated and it means there are fewer vaccinated patients requiring ICU.