All In Bed Together

[Big Vince 318]

As nobody connected with the club wants to be in this league, is it any surprise the players went out and delivered the kind of performance we saw yesterday?

The fans don't want to be in this league because you get people coming on here stating as much and accusing the league of being plastic and admitting they are only here for a tour of the grounds, etc.

The board don't want to be in this league because they are led by the fans and they are only here to pick up the broadcasting cash to keep the self-funding model ticking over nicely with a soft landing back in the Championship. And everyone at the club knows the goal is top 26, not top 17.

Webber is not bothered whether they are in this league or not because he is working to top 26, not top 17 and, personally, if it weren't for Covid he would be off by the end of the season anyway. The guy is just marking time here.

Farke is not bothered about the EPL because he's got his 4 year contract now and he has stated over and over that the Socialists have practically given him the safest job in Europe and he too knows the goal is top 26, not top 17.

The players are not bothered about being in this league because they take their cues from all of the above and they still get paid the same money every week. So why should they bust a gut to play for the shirt by closing down every player and every space?

So as you can see, the relationship between all of the above is extremely incestuous at Norwich. They are all in the same bed at the same time.

The result? All the national pundits and opposition fans are saying the same things about how easy Norwich are, how they are there for the taking, tactically naive, not learnt anything from two years ago, no signings with EPL experience, etc. Even pundits closer to home are saying these things, eg. Iwan and Dion. Norwich City are quickly becoming a national laughing stock. The numpty club. You try the same things over and over expecting a different result. In fact, every opposition fan is now desperately checking the fixture list to see when they can bank the 6 points against Norwich. Along come Norwich, etc.

The fact is, it doesn't matter who they sign between now and the close of the window. It won't make any difference because the rot is to do with attitude not personnel. Norwich City are in the most competitive league in the world, but they run up the white flag before every fixture by deciding, collectively as a club, that they will not compete. After all, they've got their principles. 

They're all too cosy. What is really needed now is a big man who is going to shake up the club. And to start off by getting those Championship/L1 fans on the transfer list. Everything else should then take care of itself.

Let's face it. So long as Norwich are ahead of Ipswich on the league ladder, that is all the fans are bothered about. If Norwich were in the Bananarama league and Ipswich were in the Bananarama league south, then that would be good enough for around here.

[Uncle Fred 526]

Wise words 

[AJ 1,221]

It's frustrating that we're still struggling despite spending some decent money. I wonder if Buendia would have made any difference to the result yesterday, I doubt it though

[Jim Smith 2,317]

As always, a post seeking a reaction but a semblance of truth to it all. Not that many on here will ever admit it. 

[dylanisabaddog 4,921]

We have just lost to Manchester City and Liverpool. In case you're unaware, they are two of the top club sides in the world. 

Do you think that Covid may in any way have affected our preparation for the season? If you want to indulge in wild conspiracy theories about the club wanting to fail have a look at how many of our players refused to be vaccinated and how many went on to catch Covid. Then have a look at what Steve Bruce has been brave enough to come out and say this week. 

[Van wink 2,994]

What we can all agree on is that yesterday was horrible,  the explanations why that happened  will differ. I sincerely hope we are going to get a reaction on Tuesday and put this behind us or psychologically our guys are going to be in a bad place.

[Ward 3 372]

3 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

We have just lost to Manchester City and Liverpool. In case you're unaware, they are two of the top club sides in the world. 

Do you think that Covid may in any way have affected our preparation for the season? If you want to indulge in wild conspiracy theories about the club wanting to fail have a look at how many of our players refused to be vaccinated and how many went on to catch Covid. Then have a look at what Steve Bruce has been brave enough to come out and say this week. 

Spot on. I had this argument/debate with many idiots over various threads yesterday. You are bang on the money 🙌👊

[Big Vince 318]

4 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

We have just lost to Manchester City and Liverpool. In case you're unaware, they are two of the top club sides in the world. 

Do you think that Covid may in any way have affected our preparation for the season? If you want to indulge in wild conspiracy theories about the club wanting to fail have a look at how many of our players refused to be vaccinated and how many went on to catch Covid. Then have a look at what Steve Bruce has been brave enough to come out and say this week. 

The Covid thing is a red herring and has no bearing on my argument. Covid is the same for everyone in every corner of the world. We may have played two of the best teams in the world, but the manner of the defeats was unacceptable and reflects a deeper malaise as described.

[Yorkshire Canary 118]

Whilst the early signs are not good the last 2 fixtures will not define our PL season it will be the hoste of 6 pointer games against mid table down wards. On  an individual note do i expect us to do much better than our last two PL seasons ?, i hope so but my prediction of being in and around the bottom 3 will not be far wide of the mark. That said there is a lot of difference battling it out for the last relegation slot as opposed to being cut adrift again. Lets look forward to a better reaction against Leicester, 

[1902 1,167]

This forum is basically divided between two camps both of which are denying the obvious.

The "we are terrible" camp which ignores that our first two fixtures were truly grim and that the transfer market doesn't mean you can pick up a quality CB and CDM like buying a ready meal from Sainsbury's. 

And the, "it's the two best teams in the country" camp that ignores that we were unacceptably shocking yesterday and that if the club does fail to strengthen those two positions we are probably going down.

As per usual, the truth probably lies in the space in between.

[Commonsense 624]

58 minutes ago, Uncle Fred said:

Wise words 

Total ****

[Dean Coneys boots 1,400]

I think the issue is that most people recognise how hard those fixtures were but also recognised that we saw a performance far less inspiring even than the similar ones last time we went up- it was more like the white flag rubbish after lockdown when we just rolled over. People are also dismayed to see that no effort has been made to add steel in midfield and make us physical and competitive- we just try and outplay them again even though we saw this won’t work last time. I don’t think the OP is right in saying the club don’t care- I do think he is right in thinking we are too cosy and stubborn to change our philosophy. Also self funding just doesn’t work at this level. Sorry for those who wish it did 

[dylanisabaddog 4,921]

6 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

The Covid thing is a red herring and has no bearing on my argument. Covid is the same for everyone in every corner of the world. We may have played two of the best teams in the world, but the manner of the defeats was unacceptable and reflects a deeper malaise as described.

You think that the fact that around 10 of our players having Covid forcing the cancellation of 2 pre season games and 10 day isolation for the players involved had no effect!  Really? 

[Big Vince 318]

2 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

You think that the fact that around 10 of our players having Covid forcing the cancellation of 2 pre season games and 10 day isolation for the players involved had no effect!  Really? 

Yes, really. The problem is to do with attitude not events.

Covid does not change what is going on in heads.

[dylanisabaddog 4,921]

2 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

Also self funding just doesn’t work at this level. Sorry for those who wish it did 

That is the biggest issue and it's a cause for concern on a wider level. It should be possible for a very small well run club to survive in the top division on merit and in fact that was possible until relatively recently. Personally I don't want my club to be a toy for a billionaire of any nationality but the sad fact is that's it's probably impossible to survive without that sort of backing. Unless you're Manchester United. And whether we want it or not, we're not going to get it. The current owners won't sell and they don't have to. 

[dylanisabaddog 4,921]

5 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

Yes, really. The problem is to do with attitude not events.

Covid does not change what is going on in heads.

Of course it does. They are totally unprepared to play at this level and in their heads they know that. We will almost certainly be relegated but we need to see where we are once everyone has caught up fitness wise and we are playing less talented opposition. 

Personally I think with the pre season we had we are better to have started with two games that we probably would have lost anyway. But to say that the disrupted preseason has had no effect is absolutely ridiculous 

[Big Vince 318]

2 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

That is the biggest issue and it's a cause for concern on a wider level. It should be possible for a very small well run club to survive in the top division on merit and in fact that was possible until relatively recently. Personally I don't want my club to be a toy for a billionaire of any nationality but the sad fact is that's it's probably impossible to survive without that sort of backing. Unless you're Manchester United. And whether we want it or not, we're not going to get it. The current owners won't sell and they don't have to. 

Ah, the old "of any nationality" thing again - Wynnie's refusal to sell on the grounds of xenophobia.

Like I say many times - the board takes its cues from the fans.

But Leicester love their Thai owners and the Thai owners love Leicester.

[Virtual reality 707]

38 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

We have just lost to Manchester City and Liverpool. In case you're unaware, they are two of the top club sides in the world. 

Do you think that Covid may in any way have affected our preparation for the season? If you want to indulge in wild conspiracy theories about the club wanting to fail have a look at how many of our players refused to be vaccinated and how many went on to catch Covid. Then have a look at what Steve Bruce has been brave enough to come out and say this week. 

I didn’t pay any attention to any of the events of pre season, I hardly knew about our new signings! What’s happened with our pre season and covid? I did hear the commentators mention it though 

[Big Vince 318]

2 minutes ago, Virtual reality said:

I didn’t pay any attention to any of the events of pre season, I hardly knew about our new signings! What’s happened with our pre season and covid? I did hear the commentators mention it though 

Let me therefore fill you in.......

One of the players went and caught Covid on purpose, gave it to the rest of the squad so that it could then be used by the Socialists as an excuse for relegation because if those two cancelled friendly games had gone ahead then Norwich would have won the league instead of being relegated. 

As far as the signings are concerned, Webber admitted that he let everyone down in defence last time and so he thought it would be a good idea this time to strengthen every other area except defence/DM. 

[Hank shoots Skyler 2,094]

38 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

You think that the fact that around 10 of our players having Covid forcing the cancellation of 2 pre season games and 10 day isolation for the players involved had no effect!  Really? 

But we did also play much better last week, so I don’t think that’s an excuse for yesterday‘s performance really. 

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,273]

There's definitely a cultural 'problem' at the club. How else do you explain the same type of away performances and results at this level time and time again, no matter the personnel. We were more than outclassed yesterday, it looked like an EPL versus League 2 side.

We just can't rid the small club mentality. The only time we threatened it in recent years, was Lamberts season in the EPL. A team full of former captains at other clubs, at the right age and in the prime of their careers. Holt, Morison, Howson, BJ, Crofts, Russ Martin, John Ruddy, Pilkington, and more... Huge characters, full of self confidence, prepared to out work the opposition and fight for everything.  

Other than that season, we've been depressingly compliant little old Norwich. Whether we like it or not, we are a bit of a laughing stock at this level. I just don't see the point in us as an EPL side.... I mean bloody Brentford already look like making a better fist of it. 

 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Creedence Clearwater Couto

[Mello Yello 2,294]

Still early in the morning.....but this thread'll reel a few more in once the club's Pink 'un platoon have arisen & had their Froot Loops.... 

[Capt. Pants 4,234]

14 minutes ago, Hank shoots Skyler said:

But we did also play much better last week, so I don’t think that’s an excuse for yesterday‘s performance really. 

Exactly. Covid had nothing to do with that horror show.

Edited August 22, 2021 by Capt. Pants

[lake district canary 4,531]

Well this thread does give voice to the loonies and binners I suppose.  I understand the concerns we all have about the last two games, but really the main issue is the new players not yet gelling due to lack of preparation, partly due to covid and also just because so many new players will take time to gel as a team. 

Disappointing, even pretty awful to watch, but a 3-0 loss to Liverpool and a 5-0 loss to man city away if they were spread out during the season would not look so bad.  It's partly because the two games were back to back and partly because they were the first two games of the season that gives it that awful look to it. 

Still, as I say it gives voice to those that want to spread  mischief and doom and gloom, trying to upset the apple cart, but they will soon disappear up their own misery once we get going a bit and start to compete better, which we will. So enjoy yourself Vince and the others, enjoy your trolling, because that is what it is - because if it wasn't trolling, you would post when we do well as well as when we do badly. You have one agenda and it never changes. A leopard doesn't change it's spots.

You're just a spoiler.

Edited August 22, 2021 by lake district canary

[Big Vince 318]

12 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

There's definitely a cultural 'problem' at the club. How else do you explain the same type of away performances and results at this level time and time again, no matter the personnel. We were more than outclassed yesterday, it looked like an EPL versus League 2 side.

We just can't rid the small club mentality. The only time we threatened it in recent years, was Lamberts season in the EPL. A team full of former captains at other clubs, at the right age and in the prime of their careers. Holt, Morison, Howson, BJ, Crofts, Russ Martin, John Ruddy, Pilkington, and more... Huge characters, full of self confidence, prepared to out work the opposition and fight for everything.  

Other than that season, we've been depressingly compliant little old Norwich. Whether we like it or not, we are a bit of a laughing stock at this level. I just don't see the point in us as an EPL side.... I mean bloody Brentford already look like making a better fist of it. 

 

Blame Alex McLeish. If he hadn't been so **** at Villa then Lambert may have stayed to build a dynasty, or maybe not.

[Cantiaci Canary 557]

2 hours ago, Big Vince said:

As nobody connected with the club wants to be in this league, is it any surprise the players went out and delivered the kind of performance we saw yesterday?

The fans don't want to be in this league because you get people coming on here stating as much and accusing the league of being plastic and admitting they are only here for a tour of the grounds, etc.

The board don't want to be in this league because they are led by the fans and they are only here to pick up the broadcasting cash to keep the self-funding model ticking over nicely with a soft landing back in the Championship. And everyone at the club knows the goal is top 26, not top 17.

Webber is not bothered whether they are in this league or not because he is working to top 26, not top 17 and, personally, if it weren't for Covid he would be off by the end of the season anyway. The guy is just marking time here.

Farke is not bothered about the EPL because he's got his 4 year contract now and he has stated over and over that the Socialists have practically given him the safest job in Europe and he too knows the goal is top 26, not top 17.

The players are not bothered about being in this league because they take their cues from all of the above and they still get paid the same money every week. So why should they bust a gut to play for the shirt by closing down every player and every space?

So as you can see, the relationship between all of the above is extremely incestuous at Norwich. They are all in the same bed at the same time.

The result? All the national pundits and opposition fans are saying the same things about how easy Norwich are, how they are there for the taking, tactically naive, not learnt anything from two years ago, no signings with EPL experience, etc. Even pundits closer to home are saying these things, eg. Iwan and Dion. Norwich City are quickly becoming a national laughing stock. The numpty club. You try the same things over and over expecting a different result. In fact, every opposition fan is now desperately checking the fixture list to see when they can bank the 6 points against Norwich. Along come Norwich, etc.

The fact is, it doesn't matter who they sign between now and the close of the window. It won't make any difference because the rot is to do with attitude not personnel. Norwich City are in the most competitive league in the world, but they run up the white flag before every fixture by deciding, collectively as a club, that they will not compete. After all, they've got their principles. 

They're all too cosy. What is really needed now is a big man who is going to shake up the club. And to start off by getting those Championship/L1 fans on the transfer list. Everything else should then take care of itself.

Let's face it. So long as Norwich are ahead of Ipswich on the league ladder, that is all the fans are bothered about. If Norwich were in the Bananarama league and Ipswich were in the Bananarama league south, then that would be good enough for around here.

I know that this post is an attention seeking wind up but I do hope, in all honesty, that you realise how many elements of this country (that you no doubt cherish, celebrate, take for granted and benefit from) have their origins in socialism.

'Socialist' isn't a by word for 'enemy' like the right wing media are desperate for you to believe.

[Big Vince 318]

4 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Well this thread does give voice to the loonies and binners I suppose.  I understand the concerns we all have about the last two games, but really the main issue is the new players not yet gelling due to lack of preparation, partly due to covid and also just because so many new players will take time to gel as a team. 

Disappointing, even pretty awful to watch, but a 3-0 loss to Liverpool and a 5-0 loss to man city away if they were spread out during the season would not look so bad.  It's partly because the two games were back to back and partly because they were the first two games of the season that gives it that awful look to it. 

Still, as I say it gives voice to those that want to dispel doom an gloom and try and upset the apple cart, but they will soon disappear up their own misery once we get going a bit and start to compete better, which we will. So enjoy yourself Vince and the others, enjoy your trolling, because that is what it is - because if it wasn't trolling, you would post when we do well as well as when we do badly. You have one agenda and it never changes. A leopard doesn't change it's spots.

You're just a spoiler.

If the players were spoilers too we might actually get somewhere in this league. But it won't happen. Would not fit with our nice, sweet as pie image.

[Jim Smith 2,317]

The results might not define our season but the way we defend and the naive tactics might, unless knocked on the head very quickly. 

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,273]

1 minute ago, lake district canary said:

Well this thread does give voice to the loonies and binners I suppose.  I understand the concerns we all have about the last two games, but really the main issue is the new players not yet gelling due to lack of preparation, partly due to covid and also just because so many new players will take time to gel as a team. 

Disappointing, even pretty awful to watch, but a 3-0 loss to Liverpool and a 5-0 loss to man city away if they were spread out during the season would not look so bad.  It's partly because the two games were back to back and partly because they were the first two games of the season that gives it that awful look to it. 

Still, as I say it gives voice to those that want to spread  mischief and doom and gloom, trying to upset the apple cart, but they will soon disappear up their own misery once we get going a bit and start to compete better, which we will. So enjoy yourself Vince and the others, enjoy your trolling, because that is what it is - because if it wasn't trolling, you would post when we do well as well as when we do badly. You have one agenda and it never changes. A leopard doesn't change it's spots.

You're just a spoiler.

Loonies and Binners, just for having an opposing view? 

If you look hard enough (and you don't really need to) there are warning signs present in both the Liverpool and Man City performances that shouldn't be ignored. You can't right these signs off by applying a broad brush 'it's Liverpool and Man City' statement, that's lunacy.  

Don't forget Newcastle too. Yes a friendly and closer to COVID gate, but still worrying take outs.

That's 3 EPL sides played - W0 D0 L3  F0  A11. 

 

 

[Mello Yello 2,294]

Thread's picking up a bit now.....Pink 'un sanctimonious squad are now entering the field of conflict.....