All In Bed Together

[Big Vince 318]

4 minutes ago, Cantiaci Canary said:

I know that this post is an attention seeking wind up but I do hope, in all honesty, that you realise how many elements of this country (that you no doubt cherish, celebrate, take for granted and benefit from) have their origins in socialism.

'Socialist' isn't a by word for 'enemy' like the right wing media are desperate for you to believe.

You mean Beveridge and the foundation of the welfare state, right? NHS, the "land fit for heroes" that failed to happen after WW1.

[Cantiaci Canary 556]

Just now, Big Vince said:

You mean Beveridge and the foundation of the welfare state, right? NHS, the "land fit for heroes" that failed to happen after WW1.

I'm not going to educate you. You can do the research if you desire an accurate understanding of history rather than one that confirms what you want to be true.

[Jersey Canary 143]

1 hour ago, Big Vince said:

The Covid thing is a red herring and has no bearing on my argument. Covid is the same for everyone in every corner of the world. We may have played two of the best teams in the world, but the manner of the defeats was unacceptable and reflects a deeper malaise as described.

This is not true. COVID outbreaks have not hit all PL clubs and not disrupted all PL clubs pre season like it has Norwich. Some clubs yes but not all. We have a small squad so any disruption is going to be felt by us more.

Then you throw into the mix the quality of Liverpool and Man City. It was highly unlikely we were going to take points off them at any point in the season. The reaction to the season start is OTT in my view. 
 

We have the end of the transfer window to look forward to, the international break to get the players tuned in and fit and off we go. Some very winnable games until the end of October.

[Steve White 24]

Exactly Jim, it is almost as of we didn’t expect Man C to press high this making it impossible to play out from the back - we had no idea what to then resulting in high balls up front where the ball was always won by the opposition or by a difficult ball to a teamate who was immediately under pressure and inevitably have the ball away. I do not prescribe to the reasoning that if you do not play out from the back it isn’t good football - you need to mix it up and adjust to the situation. All the other clubs now know how to beat us with a very high press

[Big Vince 318]

2 minutes ago, Jersey Canary said:

This is not true. COVID outbreaks have not hit all PL clubs and not disrupted all PL clubs pre season like it has Norwich. Some clubs yes but not all. We have a small squad so any disruption is going to be felt by us more.

Then you throw into the mix the quality of Liverpool and Man City. It was highly unlikely we were going to take points off them at any point in the season. The reaction to the season start is OTT in my view. 
 

We have the end of the transfer window to look forward to, the international break to get the players tuned in and fit and off we go. Some very winnable games until the end of October.

We will have 1 point by October. "Negative Mark" on Canary Call said so.

[Mello Yello 2,289]

Politics now brought into the thread.....good stuff.....How long before bloke's toilet habits, the opposite sex, shopping trolleys, traffic cones, TV an' booze an' grub are introduced?......

[Tilney87 0]

Completely agree with you post Big Vince.

For far too long now Norwich have been seen as the ‘nice club’. Nice football played by nice players with a nice attitude from a nice part of the country with a nice little ground.
Which is well and good when you can guarantee a finish above Ipswich….

But as we all know nice guys very rarely come out on top and especially in the most expensive, competitive league in the world being ‘nice’ isn’t going to cut it.

It’s frustrating that we’ve again gone down the route of ‘it worked last year so..’ when it comes to our defence. Sargent & Rashica are good players but I would have rather have seen that money going into a CB and a CDM with proven top level experience. Whether that be here or abroad. 

[bagpuss 1]

2 hours ago, Big Vince said:

As nobody connected with the club wants to be in this league, is it any surprise the players went out and delivered the kind of performance we saw yesterday?

The fans don't want to be in this league because you get people coming on here stating as much and accusing the league of being plastic and admitting they are only here for a tour of the grounds, etc.

The board don't want to be in this league because they are led by the fans and they are only here to pick up the broadcasting cash to keep the self-funding model ticking over nicely with a soft landing back in the Championship. And everyone at the club knows the goal is top 26, not top 17.

Webber is not bothered whether they are in this league or not because he is working to top 26, not top 17 and, personally, if it weren't for Covid he would be off by the end of the season anyway. The guy is just marking time here.

Farke is not bothered about the EPL because he's got his 4 year contract now and he has stated over and over that the Socialists have practically given him the safest job in Europe and he too knows the goal is top 26, not top 17.

The players are not bothered about being in this league because they take their cues from all of the above and they still get paid the same money every week. So why should they bust a gut to play for the shirt by closing down every player and every space?

So as you can see, the relationship between all of the above is extremely incestuous at Norwich. They are all in the same bed at the same time.

The result? All the national pundits and opposition fans are saying the same things about how easy Norwich are, how they are there for the taking, tactically naive, not learnt anything from two years ago, no signings with EPL experience, etc. Even pundits closer to home are saying these things, eg. Iwan and Dion. Norwich City are quickly becoming a national laughing stock. The numpty club. You try the same things over and over expecting a different result. In fact, every opposition fan is now desperately checking the fixture list to see when they can bank the 6 points against Norwich. Along come Norwich, etc.

The fact is, it doesn't matter who they sign between now and the close of the window. It won't make any difference because the rot is to do with attitude not personnel. Norwich City are in the most competitive league in the world, but they run up the white flag before every fixture by deciding, collectively as a club, that they will not compete. After all, they've got their principles. 

They're all too cosy. What is really needed now is a big man who is going to shake up the club. And to start off by getting those Championship/L1 fans on the transfer list. Everything else should then take care of itself.

Let's face it. So long as Norwich are ahead of Ipswich on the league ladder, that is all the fans are bothered about. If Norwich were in the Bananarama league and Ipswich were in the Bananarama league south, then that would be good enough for around here.

👏👏👏👏

saw plenty of posts over Social Media yesterday saying wish we could be in the Championship . .

what’s the point of competing if you do want to be at the highest level . 
 

let’s give this a serious go 
 

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Vince 318]

6 minutes ago, Tilney87 said:

Completely agree with you post Big Vince.

For far too long now Norwich have been seen as the ‘nice club’. Nice football played by nice players with a nice attitude from a nice part of the country with a nice little ground.
Which is well and good when you can guarantee a finish above Ipswich….

But as we all know nice guys very rarely come out on top and especially in the most expensive, competitive league in the world being ‘nice’ isn’t going to cut it.

It’s frustrating that we’ve again gone down the route of ‘it worked last year so..’ when it comes to our defence. Sargent & Rashica are good players but I would have rather have seen that money going into a CB and a CDM with proven top level experience. Whether that be here or abroad. 

Bonucci and Chiellini here with Delia would never happen would it? Just as Big Sam or Pulis or Warnock = Delia would never work as an equation. Or even Moyes.

[Hank shoots Skyler 2,094]

1 hour ago, 1902 said:

This forum is basically divided between two camps both of which are denying the obvious.

The "we are terrible" camp which ignores that our first two fixtures were truly grim and that the transfer market doesn't mean you can pick up a quality CB and CDM like buying a ready meal from Sainsbury's. 

And the, "it's the two best teams in the country" camp that ignores that we were unacceptably shocking yesterday and that if the club does fail to strengthen those two positions we are probably going down.

As per usual, the truth probably lies in the space in between.

I’m with you in the middle sir 👍

[Big Vince 318]

30 minutes ago, Cantiaci Canary said:

I'm not going to educate you. You can do the research if you desire an accurate understanding of history rather than one that confirms what you want to be true.

Actually you can enlighten me. Name one country where socialist economic policies have worked?

[corbs 147]

In recent months I’ve actually quite enjoyed this forum, debate on footballing matters and a diversity of views. But you always have one pub bore. 

[Cantiaci Canary 556]

5 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

Actually you can enlighten me. Name one country where socialist economic policies have worked?

Ha ha ... Nice try but I'm not getting hooked into your game on this fine day!

If you are being serious then, when you have the time, read back over our exchange and then do some research. 

Black and white thinking may be fashionable in our post truth age but it is an unhealthy habit to pursue my friend.

[lake district canary 4,531]

1 hour ago, Cantiaci Canary said:

I know that this post is an attention seeking wind up but I do hope, in all honesty, that you realise how many elements of this country (that you no doubt cherish, celebrate, take for granted and benefit from) have their origins in socialism.

'Socialist' isn't a by word for 'enemy' like the right wing media are desperate for you to believe.

Agree with that.  Genuine socialism is a good thing as is genuine conservatism.  Unfortunately we don't have either in this country, or rather they have got pushed to the background. 

[hogesar 9,657]

2 hours ago, Jim Smith said:

As always, a post seeking a reaction but a semblance of truth to it all. Not that many on here will ever admit it. 

He's an Ipswich fan; troll; looking for a reaction. Not massively surprised you agree with a binner in all honesty.

[Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891]

2 hours ago, 1902 said:

This forum is basically divided between two camps both of which are denying the obvious.

The "we are terrible" camp which ignores that our first two fixtures were truly grim and that the transfer market doesn't mean you can pick up a quality CB and CDM like buying a ready meal from Sainsbury's. 

And the, "it's the two best teams in the country" camp that ignores that we were unacceptably shocking yesterday and that if the club does fail to strengthen those two positions we are probably going down.

As per usual, the truth probably lies in the space in between.

Don't have any reactions for some reason. Good post. 👍

OTBC

[Dr Greenthumb 749]

1 hour ago, Big Vince said:

We will have 1 point by October. "Negative Mark" on Canary Call said so.

Is your middle name Mark?

[Dr Greenthumb 749]

39 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

Actually you can enlighten me. Name one country where socialist economic policies have worked?

Can you take that to the non football thread please? 

[Badger 2,405]

1 hour ago, Big Vince said:

the "land fit for heroes" that failed to happen after WW1

That was Lloyd George, a Liberal, leading a coalition dominated by the Conservative Party and containing no socialists - but hey ho, why let facts spoil your analysis.

[Big Vince 318]

7 minutes ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

Can you take that to the non football thread please? 

It is relevant to this thread because if socialism has not worked anywhere as an economic policy why should it work in the stewardship of a football club?

[Big Vince 318]

4 minutes ago, Badger said:

That was Lloyd George, a Liberal, leading a coalition dominated by the Conservative Party and containing no socialists - but hey ho, why let facts spoil your analysis.

It was precisely because the post-WW1 government failed to deliver that the socialists did deliver after another war.

I am not attributing the quote to the socialists, but using it as a reference point. It became a stick with which to beat your political opponent.

[Badger 2,405]

2 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

It was precisely because the post-WW1 government failed to deliver that the socialists did deliver after another war.

I am not attributing the quote to the socialists, but using it as a reference point. It became a stick with which to beat your political opponent.

Beveridge was a liberal anyway.

[Dr Greenthumb 749]

35 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

It is relevant to this thread because if socialism has not worked anywhere as an economic policy why should it work in the stewardship of a football club?

It did always work until money rich owners and TV money destroyed it.

I don’t see that as Delias  fault at all.

But it doesn’t work and if we want to keep up and compete at top level, we cannot be getting promoted, selling our best player and then investing with that money. We are going to need some help eventually. 

[Mello Yello 2,289]

54 minutes ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

Can you take that to the non football thread please? 

All threads are non-football threads on the Pink 'un....Pay attention!.....

[Mello Yello 2,289]

57 minutes ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

Is your middle name Mark?

"Mark Mark"?......Sounds like a dog with a speech impediment.....

[Big Vince 318]

3 minutes ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

It did always work until money rich owners and TV money destroyed it.

I don’t see that as Delias  fault at all.

But it doesn’t work and if we want to keep up and compete at top level, we cannot be getting promoted, selling our best player and then investing with that money. We are going to need some help eventually. 

But the thrust of this thread is that we make things worse for ourselves by adopting the wrong attitudes and principles thus compounding the lack of money issue. It has been a feature of Delia's stewardship that she has made so many of the wrong calls and then repeated them and if not social - ism; then certainly her social world view.

[1902 1,167]

48 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

It is relevant to this thread because if socialism has not worked anywhere as an economic policy why should it work in the stewardship of a football club?

The idea that our football club is being run as a socialist enterprise is truly absurd. It literally doesn't even hold water for a second so it is in fact completely irrelevant.

It is owned by private individuals, whose capital is is invested, then the profits are either taken as dividend or reinvested in order to try to increase the value of the club. It's literally capitalism at its most basic. 

If football was run on usual capitalist economic models, then nearly every single club in the premiership outside of us would have been out of business. Most clubs are closer to private yachts or propaganda arms of states than a normal enterprise.

Edited August 22, 2021 by 1902

[Midlands Yellow 3,975]

2 hours ago, Mello Yello said:

Still early in the morning.....but this thread'll reel a few more in once the club's Pink 'un platoon have arisen & had their Froot Loops.... 

Is that Hoggy or Alex? 

[Mello Yello 2,289]

A limited finance self funding club....but always able to afford travel an' transport niceties.....even when in the Chumps.....

[Midlands Yellow 3,975]

1 hour ago, Big Vince said:

Actually you can enlighten me. Name one country where socialist economic policies have worked?

North Korea.