So, which one is it?

[hogesar 10,762]

When we lost to Derby a lot of posters on here didnt like the fact I said we played well. I was told it was points that mattered not performance.

In my book we struggled to control the game throughout today in comparison however we created plenty.

But its a bit obvious that there's more trolls on here than I give credit for - because the same posters who said it was points on the board that matters are now posting tonight saying its papering over the cracks, we're awful etc because the performance wasn't good enough.

For me, the performances tell more of a story than results at this stage of the season and first half was too much of us trying to play differently as well as Rotherham coming out more attack minded and high pressing than I think we were prepared for.

[TIL 1010 5,246]

First we have Lakey telling everybody to shut up and now we have a thread calling out trolls. Well i can't say i am too surprised so who is next to start a thread having a pop at posters, my money is on Jerrykerry ?

[The Real Buh 3,765]

What you have to realise is football is and always has been a release for the masses. 
 

you have a crap week at work, the kids won’t shut up, the missus is giving you grief. Take it out on the football.

They don’t mean to do it, but it’s part of the reason football was designed. It stops us from beating eachother up as much on the streets

[YellowYawner 6]

Is this the toned down Lakey post. There are posters who will take the positives out of everything “but the performance was good” or “3 points is all that matters”  in the same way as many others will pursue whatever negative they can put of a situation. I think discussion forums are notorious for this sadly. 
 

in my opinion I agree with you about performances being a good indicator at this stage of the situation when trying to predict how things are going to be going forward. 
 

Early days yet but I’ll be honest I am low key worried about that centre back position. No injuries please!
 

1 minute ago, TIL 1010 said:

First we have Lakey telling everybody to shut up and now we have a thread calling out trolls. Well i can't say i am too surprised so who is next to start a thread having a pop at posters, my money is on Jerrykerry ?

No idea, but I don’t think you’d have it any other way. 

[Branston Pickle 4,149]

I do find it odd but people will find something to whine about.  If football is all about winning then today should have been pretty pleasing - we weren’t at our best but came away with the points and should have still scored plenty more. I’d have thought that a good sign for when we properly click into gear.

Edited October 17, 2020 by Branston Pickle

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

4 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

you have a crap week at work, the kids won’t shut up, the missus is giving you grief. Take it out on the football.

Not sure that applies to everyone. 

[lake district canary 4,830]

I've seen it written today several times "it's only Rotherham"....but it's nonsense. Rotherham are a strong team, totally together as a unit, full of momentum and condfidence and weren't going to take any nonsense from us today.

If you take on board the idea that we are trying to get good performances AND results, then you can see over the season so far how difficult that is to get. But although we have put in good perfomances this season, ultimately results are what is required, so today, the result was everything. And we got it.

Over the next few weeks we will see improved performances on the strength of that result today - the results will improve too.....

It's not going to be easy, evey game is a battlegound, but given that it is still so early in the season and we have so many new players, inconsistencies are bound to be there and it will take time to develop.

So its a balance...get a result and take that forward to the next match and try to improve the performance as well. Lose a match but perform well...take that performance forward and try to add the result.  There are nearly always positives to take from a match...today it was the result, next match, hopefully will see a result again - and a better performance to match.

 

[Michael Wynless Jones 161]

OK I'll have a go at answering the actual question 😁. The answer of course is both, but yes results is the ultimate goal, you can take naff displays if you win 1-0 more often than not, it's why Hughton didn't start getting grief until his final season. 

As for your comment about getting stick after the Derby game, I would say that was because it wasn't actually a good performance, Derby were deemed to have struck lucky that day, but I said at the time they got their tactics spot on. The difference with us today is we did benefit from some luck (and about time too), but I don't think for one minute had it stayed 11 v 11 we'd have won which is a worry as Rotherham are hardly the big hitters in this league. 

[The Real Buh 3,765]

1 minute ago, wcorkcanary said:

Not sure that applies to everyone. 

Football is the opiate of the masses, or one of them at least.

[seanthecanary 168]

5 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

I've seen it written today several times "it's only Rotherham"....but it's nonsense. Rotherham are a strong team, totally together as a unit, full of momentum and condfidence and weren't going to take any nonsense from us today.

If you take on board the idea that we are trying to get good performances AND results, then you can see over the season so far how difficult that is to get. But although we have put in good perfomances this season, ultimately results are what is required, so today, the result was everything. And we got it.

Over the next few weeks we will see improved performances on the strength of that result today - the results will improve too.....

It's not going to be easy, evey game is a battlegound, but given that it is still so early in the season and we have so many new players, inconsistencies are bound to be there and it will take time to develop.

So its a balance...get a result and take that forward to the next match and try to improve the performance as well. Lose a match but perform well...take that performance forward and try to add the result.  There are nearly always positives to take from a match...today it was the result, next match, hopefully will see a result again - and a better performance to match.

 

With the greatest of respect mate, why didn't you post that rather than the baiting topic you did earlier? So much better to read

Edited October 17, 2020 by seanthecanary

[sgncfc 1,330]

For me it's always performance - results will follow if you get the performance right. Today was a rare undeserved win but a poor performance across the pitch from almost every player - not one was above a 6, and several were 3 or 4. Against Derby we had a few 7s and 8s.

Players are still gelling and we don't seem used to the lack of crowds yet but now we have about 6 weeks before the speculation starts again and a chance to perform consistently. Win the next two games and we'll have 13 from 7 which would represent a solid start.

[lake district canary 4,830]

1 minute ago, seanthecanary said:

With the greatest of respect man, why didn't you post that rather than the baiting you did earlier? So much better to read

👍 But then the other thread was an immediate reaction after the final whistle. Emotion, I guess. 

[Uncle Fred 526]

Poor performance against a promoted 10 man team

we are going to struggle big time this season 

what a shambles

[hogesar 10,762]

25 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

First we have Lakey telling everybody to shut up and now we have a thread calling out trolls. Well i can't say i am too surprised so who is next to start a thread having a pop at posters, my money is on Jerrykerry ?

Nah, my post was balanced and honest. Or are you going to tell me there aren't ANY trolls on this forum? Id love to discuss that one..

[TIL 1010 5,246]

6 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Nah, my post was balanced and honest. Or are you going to tell me there aren't ANY trolls on this forum? Id love to discuss that one..

My point was that it is fairly predictable who will start threads having a go at posters, trolls or whoever so you crack on as you are kind of proving what i said. That is a balanced and honest opinion unless of course you think it isn't which you probably won't so as i said crack on.

Edited October 17, 2020 by TIL 1010

[Parma Ham's gone mouldy 2,462]

Norwich played far better against Derby than they did today.

Parma

Edited October 17, 2020 by Parma Ham's gone mouldy

[hogesar 10,762]

8 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

My point was that it is fairly predictable who will start threads having a go at posters, trolls or whoever so you crack on as you are kind of proving what i said. That is a balanced and honest opinion unless of course you think it isn't which you probably won't so as i said crack on.

And its even more predictable that you'll post on each and every one to try and stir the pot like a 14 year old girl on Snapchat 😅😅

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

18 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Nah, my post was balanced and honest. Or are you going to tell me there aren't ANY trolls on this forum? Id love to discuss that one..

There’s one or two. 

[TIL 1010 5,246]

3 minutes ago, hogesar said:

And its even more predictable that you'll post on each and every one to try and stir the pot like a 14 year old girl on Snapchat 😅😅

What a pathetic childish response especially as you mention 14 year olds.

[king canary 8,754]

There isn't one set answer, context is important.

Right now I think the result is the most important thing. We've clearly had some confidence issues and I think a scrapppy win will help build that more than a good performance in a draw or loss.

Longer term though we won't go up if we play like that very often.

[Pockthorpe 635]

I think the start of this season was always going to be really messy . I’m not so interested at the moment in the whole performance , but more little snapshots that show we have the ability to dominate teams .  I’m seeing enough of them to believe we can pull them all together and really kick on as the season goes on . 
OTBC . 

[Peanuts 154]

Rotherham pressed us very hard, were physical in attack and tight at the back. We created plenty of chances and their keeper made some good saves, as well as their defenders getting in important blocks and last ditch tackles.

We certainly looked better against Derby, but I wouldn't say it was that we played poorly today, but more that the opposition pressed and harried us at every opportunity. Given that we had Hanley, Idah and Hugill with their first starts, away from home against an organised and energetic opponent I think we did just fine and I'm very happy with 3 points. I don't think it's papering over any cracks at all.

[hogesar 10,762]

14 minutes ago, king canary said:

There isn't one set answer, context is important.

Right now I think the result is the most important thing. We've clearly had some confidence issues and I think a scrapppy win will help build that more than a good performance in a draw or loss.

Longer term though we won't go up if we play like that very often.

Fair.

[TeemuVanBasten 3,328]

1 hour ago, sgncfc said:

 Today was a rare undeserved win but a poor performance across the pitch from almost every player - not one was above a 6, and several were 3 or 4. Against Derby we had a few 7s and 8s.

Although I do agree that we looked poor, particularly in the first half...

... How can you not give Krul more tham a 6? 

Skipp looked good as well. 

[king canary 8,754]

Well this thread didn't go the way I expected.

[The Real Buh 3,765]

1 minute ago, king canary said:

Well this thread didn't go the way I expected.

Really? It went exactly the way I expected.

[hogesar 10,762]

1 minute ago, The Real Buh said:

Really? It went exactly the way I expected.

Even I had half a hunch.

[HazzaJet 267]

1 hour ago, lake district canary said:

I've seen it written today several times "it's only Rotherham"....but it's nonsense. Rotherham are a strong team, totally together as a unit, full of momentum and condfidence and weren't going to take any nonsense from us today.

If you take on board the idea that we are trying to get good performances AND results, then you can see over the season so far how difficult that is to get. But although we have put in good perfomances this season, ultimately results are what is required, so today, the result was everything. And we got it.

Over the next few weeks we will see improved performances on the strength of that result today - the results will improve too.....

It's not going to be easy, evey game is a battlegound, but given that it is still so early in the season and we have so many new players, inconsistencies are bound to be there and it will take time to develop.

So its a balance...get a result and take that forward to the next match and try to improve the performance as well. Lose a match but perform well...take that performance forward and try to add the result.  There are nearly always positives to take from a match...today it was the result, next match, hopefully will see a result again - and a better performance to match.

 

Agree with you in some points there LDC, but not all.

1) “it’s only Rotherham” and Rotherham are a strong team:

Never take any team for granted, regardless of their level or form as you can get surprise results in the league as well as the cup. Rotherham were a newly promoted side in our promotion season and went straight back down so have only just bounced straight back up. They do have a very good record of scoring from set pieces though which we have an awful record of defending. We conceded many but their goal came from open play. I certainly wouldn’t treat it as “it’s only Rotherham” but I also wouldn’t class them as a strong team 

2) We are trying to put good performances in:

I’m certain we’re trying to put good performances in, otherwise I think the players wouldn’t have put any effort in. 21 attempts 7 on target - we certainly created chances. I think the main problem is that at times teams have been very defensive against us this season which is why we haven’t scored more. Huddersfield, Derby and Rotherham down to 10 men are good examples

3) Over the next few weeks we will see improved performances:

I’m not saying we won’t, but I’m not saying we will either. You would expect and hope to see improved performances over the next few weeks now but there’s no guarantee. Hopefully we will build on this victory though and pick up more points over the upcoming weeks

 

[TeemuVanBasten 3,328]

Mods been all over this thread. 

Edited October 17, 2020 by TeemuVanBasten

[NFN FC 1,142]

We had loads of good performances this time last season but we all know how that turned out. Points make prizes! Onwards and upwards. Hopefully we can play well and win next game! OTBC