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4 minutes ago, BigFish said:

We could call it something like the Football Association

Top idea👍😉

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40 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

For those who have not seen them the more detailed version of the proposals is as follows:

Here's the full list of changes:

Rescue Fund
An immediate rescue fund of £350,000,000 to the English Football League and Football Association for lost revenues of 2019/20 and 2020/21

For the EFL:

£50,000,000 to cover 2019/20 EFL matchday losses;

Up to £200,000,000 available to cover 2020/21 EFL matchday losses;

Money will be advanced to the EFL from increased future revenues.

For the FA:
£100,000,000 in grants, made up of £55,000,000 to cover operational losses, £25,000,000 for clubs below the EFL, £10,000,000 for the Women’s Super League and Championship, £10,000,000 for grassroots

Funds to be made available by the Premier League through loans guaranteed by the clubs.

Infrastructure Plan
Infrastructure funding of 6% of Premier League gross revenues to be distributed annually to the top four divisions.

Each club will receive £100 per seat annually.

Infrastructure funding can only be used for stadia and fan experiences.

Fan Charter
A cap of £20 on Premier League away ticketing (adjusted every 3 years for inflation)

Subsidised Premier League away travel

Safe-standing sections at the discretion of each club, subject to government permission.

Away sections must provide at least 3,000 or 8% of capacity, whichever is higher.

Annual Good Causes
An increase of 66% in annual contributions to good causes in England.

A total of 5% of Premier League gross income to be contributed annually to good causes and grassroots football, to include focus on combatting racism and discrimination.

Redistribution of Media & Sponsorship Revenues (three possible options)
Option A: 50% equal, 25% current-year merit, 25% previous 3-year merit
A greater emphasis will be placed on merit in both the Premier League and the Championship with half of payments reflecting positions over the past four years.

Option B: Current Premier League distribution scheme (50% equal, 25% by merit and 25% by facility fees) but newly promoted clubs must holdback £25m of first two years in the Premier League to mitigate risk of relegation.

Option 😄 Current Premier League distribution scheme, but newly promoted clubs receive 25% of their allocated Facility Fees for first 3 years in league.

For all above options:
Excluding parachute payments and including new infrastructure payments, solidarity from the Premier League to the English Football League would increase from 4% to 25%.

Premier League and English Football League domestic and international media rights will be collectively sold by the Premier League.

Compensation payments to The EFL and FA, infrastructure monies and related borrowings are deducted prior to determination of distributable revenues.

Pyramid structure
The Premier League, originally formed to house 18 clubs,would be reduced from 20 to 18 clubs.

This would free up the calendar and, with fewer teams and an end to parachute payments, provide additional resources to the EFL.

Reduction from 38 to 34 rounds of matches will also aid the national team.

Championships, League One and League Two to all be made up of 24 clubs

Promotion and relegation
Premier League relegation. At least 2 clubs automatically relegated annually

Championship promotion: 1st and 2nd automatically promoted.

Club finishing 16th in the Premier League joins four team Championship play-off tournament with teams who finish 3rd, 4th and 5th. Semi-finals would be 16th place PL team vs 5th place Championships team nad 3rd place Championship team against 4th place Championship team.

Championship relegation – 3 clubs

Leagues One and Two: promotion of 3 clubs. Relegation of 4 clubs

Club media
All Premier League clubs have the exclusive rights to sell eight live matches a season directly to fans via their own digital platforms in all international territories.

All Premier League and Championship clubs allowed to show limited in-match highlights on their own digital platforms.

No more than 27 games per club will be shown live in UK per season

Saturday 3pm broadcast blackouts remain to help protect EFL attendance

Other competitions
League Cup and Community Shield discontinued;

Establishment of a new independent league for the Women’s professional game, not to be owned by the Premier League or The Football Association;

FA Cup replays retained but there will be no replays in the winter break;

Premier League begins later in August and pre-season friendlies extended;

No more than two weeks between the end of the Premier League and the Champions League final;

Premier League clubs must participate at least once every five years in the Premier League summer tournament.

Other structural changes
Elite Player Performance Plan funding is included in the revenue received by EFL clubs;

Clubs in League One and below are no longer required to have an academy;

Clubs permitted to have up to 15 players out on loan domestically at any time, including up to four in a single English club. Introduction of one month loans for players under 23, an ability to recall loanees in the event of managerial change, incentivise loanee clubs through payments based on future performance or sale of loaned players;

Remove the scholarship clause permitting players to terminate at any stage.

Cost Controls & Related Party Income
Financial Fair Play rules that align with Uefa to ensure English clubs are not at a disadvantage in Europe;

A £50 million cap per annum on all related party transactions and a more stringent ‘related party’ definition;

Premier League executive provided with full access to clubs accounting information to investigate cost control

A joint Premier League and Championship body will monitor cost controls.

The English Football League will introduce hard salary caps.

Governance
All material matters relating to the business of the Premier League will require shareholder approval, except that the Board will decide whether to approve a new owner;

All votes will require more than two-thirds majority to be approved;

All other votes for the operation of the Premier League will be one-club, one-vote except those provided for under ‘Special Voting Rights’

Special Voting Rights
Each of the nine clubs who, at any time of determination, have been members of the Premier League continuously for more seasons than other clubs will be considered a ‘Long-Term Shareholder’.

Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can cause to be adopted without approval from the other clubs:

i) the election or removal of the CEO and/or a member of the board;

ii) amendments to cost control rules and regulations;

iii) contracts for the sale of league broadcasting and media rights

Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can prevent from being adopted resolutions to:
i) change the distribution rights of the sponsorship, commercial and broadcasting rights sold centrally;

ii) change the distribution to clubs from other PL centralised rights or assets

c) alter in a material way the nature of the competition

Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can veto the Premier League board’s approval of a proposed new owner.

It would be interesting for some posters to go through this list to indicate what they would be in favour and for those points that raise objections to suggest alternatives.

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Can you imagine how certain games would be refereed if one of the 'long term shareholders' were in relegation trouble? Lol. 

 

If these proposals are approved it would end any chance we'd ever have of sustained top flight football and with no League cup we'd be  guaranteed to never win a major trophy again. I will be extremely disappointed if we as a club don't reject this insanity outright and fight it at every opportunity.

This sounds like the end of English football or at least what was always great about it to me. If these proposals go through I think that'll be the final straw for me and I'll just move on and be done with this sport. I wouldn't just find the changes to the structure and share of power completely repulsive I don't think I could forgive the rest of the clubs for voting for supporting this, including ours if we chose to. 

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15 minutes ago, BigFish said:

We could call it something like the Football Association

Could also organise a cup that incorporates teams from all levels! 

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18 minutes ago, BigFish said:

As it stands is the key, the question is what can be negotiated to change that No to Yes, not by you omnipotent @PurpleCanary but by at least half of the landfill Prem clubs. Something like this is needed, and needed now.

TV money has changed top-level football, and this is all around top level football. The lower league and non-league football will continue whatever is agreed. In fact the immediate financial transfers will help those to flourish in the forseeable future.

We could go back to football as the older amongst knew it. But we won't. That would require rejecting all media income and cutting the games cloth to fit. Lower wages mean no more foreign mercenaries and many English stars playing abroad.

Well the noises coming from the press suggest the big 6 are using the threat of them leaving the league to try and strong arm the other Premier League clubs. 

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16 minutes ago, BigFish said:

We could call it something like the Football Association

Unfortunately that’s not the role they are set up to play. They don’t negotiate with the likes and Sky or BT or Saudi Arabia for broadcasting revenue. 

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4 minutes ago, king canary said:

Well the noises coming from the press suggest the big 6 are using the threat of them leaving the league to try and strong arm the other Premier League clubs. 

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59 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

For those who have not seen them the more detailed version of the proposals is as follows:

Here's the full list of changes:

Rescue Fund
An immediate rescue fund of £350,000,000 to the English Football League and Football Association for lost revenues of 2019/20 and 2020/21

For the EFL:

£50,000,000 to cover 2019/20 EFL matchday losses;

Up to £200,000,000 available to cover 2020/21 EFL matchday losses;


Money will be advanced to the EFL from increased future revenues.

For the FA:
£100,000,000 in grants, made up of £55,000,000 to cover operational losses, £25,000,000 for clubs below the EFL, £10,000,000 for the Women’s Super League and Championship, £10,000,000 for grassroots


Funds to be made available by the Premier League through loans guaranteed by the clubs.

Infrastructure Plan
Infrastructure funding of 6% of Premier League gross revenues to be distributed annually to the top four divisions.

Each club will receive £100 per seat annually.

Infrastructure funding can only be used for stadia and fan experiences.

Fan Charter
A cap of £20 on Premier League away ticketing (adjusted every 3 years for inflation)

Subsidised Premier League away travel

Safe-standing sections at the discretion of each club, subject to government permission.

Away sections must provide at least 3,000 or 8% of capacity, whichever is higher.


Annual Good Causes
An increase of 66% in annual contributions to good causes in England.

A total of 5% of Premier League gross income to be contributed annually to good causes and grassroots football, to include focus on combatting racism and discrimination.


Redistribution of Media & Sponsorship Revenues (three possible options)
Option A: 50% equal, 25% current-year merit, 25% previous 3-year merit
A greater emphasis will be placed on merit in both the Premier League and the Championship with half of payments reflecting positions over the past four years.

Option B: Current Premier League distribution scheme (50% equal, 25% by merit and 25% by facility fees) but newly promoted clubs must holdback £25m of first two years in the Premier League to mitigate risk of relegation.

Option 😄 Current Premier League distribution scheme, but newly promoted clubs receive 25% of their allocated Facility Fees for first 3 years in league.

For all above options:
Excluding parachute payments and including new infrastructure payments, solidarity from the Premier League to the English Football League would increase from 4% to 25%.

Premier League and English Football League domestic and international media rights will be collectively sold by the Premier League.

Compensation payments to The EFL and FA, infrastructure monies and related borrowings are deducted prior to determination of distributable revenues.

Pyramid structure
The Premier League, originally formed to house 18 clubs,would be reduced from 20 to 18 clubs.

This would free up the calendar and, with fewer teams and an end to parachute payments, provide additional resources to the EFL.

Reduction from 38 to 34 rounds of matches will also aid the national team.

Championships, League One and League Two to all be made up of 24 clubs

Promotion and relegation
Premier League relegation. At least 2 clubs automatically relegated annually

Championship promotion: 1st and 2nd automatically promoted.

Club finishing 16th in the Premier League joins four team Championship play-off tournament with teams who finish 3rd, 4th and 5th. Semi-finals would be 16th place PL team vs 5th place Championships team nad 3rd place Championship team against 4th place Championship team.

Championship relegation – 3 clubs

Leagues One and Two: promotion of 3 clubs. Relegation of 4 clubs

Club media
All Premier League clubs have the exclusive rights to sell eight live matches a season directly to fans via their own digital platforms in all international territories.

All Premier League and Championship clubs allowed to show limited in-match highlights on their own digital platforms.

No more than 27 games per club will be shown live in UK per season

Saturday 3pm broadcast blackouts remain to help protect EFL attendance

Other competitions
League Cup and Community Shield discontinued;

Establishment of a new independent league for the Women’s professional game, not to be owned by the Premier League or The Football Association;


FA Cup replays retained but there will be no replays in the winter break;

Premier League begins later in August and pre-season friendlies extended;

No more than two weeks between the end of the Premier League and the Champions League final;

Premier League clubs must participate at least once every five years in the Premier League summer tournament.

Other structural changes
Elite Player Performance Plan funding is included in the revenue received by EFL clubs;

Clubs in League One and below are no longer required to have an academy;

Clubs permitted to have up to 15 players out on loan domestically at any time, including up to four in a single English club. Introduction of one month loans for players under 23, an ability to recall loanees in the event of managerial change, incentivise loanee clubs through payments based on future performance or sale of loaned players;

Remove the scholarship clause permitting players to terminate at any stage.

Cost Controls & Related Party Income
Financial Fair Play rules that align with Uefa to ensure English clubs are not at a disadvantage in Europe;

A £50 million cap per annum on all related party transactions and a more stringent ‘related party’ definition;

Premier League executive provided with full access to clubs accounting information to investigate cost control

A joint Premier League and Championship body will monitor cost controls.

The English Football League will introduce hard salary caps. *

Governance
All material matters relating to the business of the Premier League will require shareholder approval, except that the Board will decide whether to approve a new owner;

All votes will require more than two-thirds majority to be approved;

All other votes for the operation of the Premier League will be one-club, one-vote except those provided for under ‘Special Voting Rights’

Special Voting Rights
Each of the nine clubs who, at any time of determination, have been members of the Premier League continuously for more seasons than other clubs will be considered a ‘Long-Term Shareholder’.

Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can cause to be adopted without approval from the other clubs:

i) the election or removal of the CEO and/or a member of the board;

ii) amendments to cost control rules and regulations;

iii) contracts for the sale of league broadcasting and media rights

Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can prevent from being adopted resolutions to:
i) change the distribution rights of the sponsorship, commercial and broadcasting rights sold centrally;

ii) change the distribution to clubs from other PL centralised rights or assets

c) alter in a material way the nature of the competition

Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can veto the Premier League board’s approval of a proposed new owner.

@BigFish

Green = good 

Red = bad

Black = need more details/don't fully understand

The problem is though the final part under governance massively outweigh all the parts in green.

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I say let the big six go and play PSG etc every week.... We could crack on and play the multitude of our clubs in England... No great loss

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5 minutes ago, WD40 said:

Unfortunately that’s not the role they are set up to play. They don’t negotiate with the likes and Sky or BT or Saudi Arabia for broadcasting revenue. 

Well they do, don't they? For Internationals & FA Cup. I believe they also have a golden share in the Premier League.

But I take your point, overtime the organisation has proved itself incapable of running football, which was its original purpose. One of the reasons that the Premier League was founded and can be seen of one of the root causes of the current situation.

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5 minutes ago, king canary said:

@BigFish

Green = good 

Red = bad

Black = need more details/don't fully understand

The problem is though the final part under governance massively outweigh all the parts in green.

Pretty much agree with you there @king canary, which was the point I was trying and failing to make. I think the Big Six would drop those if they got the rest, and say moved voting to a simple majority.

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3 hours ago, Well b back said:

Hi Badger

Competitive sport is the word I have used. Any decent player will be taken from you ( who knows if transfer fees will apply ) and as in Spain these clubs will then have B and even C teams. You may relate that to the way it is at the moment but there is a big difference. If you sell a player at present you can replace them sometimes with better players. Under this system take our current crop, the 18 would just come along and say ( between them ) we will have Aaron’s, Godfrey, Lewis, Krul, Bundeia, Pukki and that Idah chap looks promising, he can go in our b teams as well. Also take Skipp, he wouldn’t be here he would be in Spurs B team. I am no longer in Norfolk but the nearest high level football to the County would be 100 miles away. Watching Norwich ( like watching other Championship sides ) would be like watching league 1 or 2. Other than one seasons big bucks there would be nothing to play for.

Who is even to say who the 18 will be ? Leeds ? Villa ? Wolves ? Sunderland ? Even Leicester ? Birmingham are the City team in Birmingham why not them over Villa ?.

I don't disagree with much (if any) of this.

Football  will still exist but the TV and press will all be about the bigger teams. I'm not sure the 18 would last for long either - as profitable international leagues became developed the smaller clubs in the EPL  would be dropped off as well and I suspect that we would soon be down to 12 teams or fewer with an enhanced European league.

A game especially designed for the TV and online platforms🥴

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50 minutes ago, BigFish said:

It would be interesting for some posters to go through this list to indicate what they would be in favour and for those points that raise objections to suggest alternatives.

Ok I’ll bite... by lazily reproducing Mr Squires’ line on that (his cartoon this week is named Project Big Small-print).. 

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34 minutes ago, BigFish said:

Pretty much agree with you there @king canary, which was the point I was trying and failing to make. I think the Big Six would drop those if they got the rest, and say moved voting to a simple majority.

I dont share your optimistic view.

Greg Clarke from the FA said he withdrew from the talks when it became clear their principal aim was about the concentration of power. I doubt the governance part gets dropped.

 

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1 hour ago, sgncfc said:

According to Sky, the majority of the Championship clubs are supportive of the proposals.

 

I wander if some owners see this as a way to sell the club and make a fast buck. They may be fed up with the way finances are going even before covid and see this as a chance to get better price from prospective owners but telling them how rich the club is soon going to be with all the lovely extra money the premier league is going to give them.

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14 minutes ago, king canary said:

I dont share your optimistic view.

Greg Clarke from the FA said he withdrew from the talks when it became clear their principal aim was about the concentration of power. I doubt the governance part gets dropped.

 

I am afraid that is almost certainly true. And it is not just power over the Premier League but the levels below that.

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PL have reportedly rejected Project Big Picture.

Have resolved to undertake a prompt review involving all 20 clubs to come up with proposals and have agreed in principle to an EFL bailout (which could just involve Leagues 1 and 2),

Doesn;t sound like Parry is popular.

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1 hour ago, The Raptor said:

I wander if some owners see this as a way to sell the club and make a fast buck. They may be fed up with the way finances are going even before covid and see this as a chance to get better price from prospective owners but telling them how rich the club is soon going to be with all the lovely extra money the premier league is going to give them.

 Who's going to fall for that? (Apart from Marcus Evans)

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1 hour ago, Jim Smith said:

PL have reportedly rejected Project Big Picture.

Have resolved to undertake a prompt review involving all 20 clubs to come up with proposals and have agreed in principle to an EFL bailout (which could just involve Leagues 1 and 2),

Doesn;t sound like Parry is popular.

I hope so, I really do. 

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Premier League clubs have "unanimously agreed" that 'Project Big Picture' will not be "endorsed or pursued".

Man Utd & Liverpool forced to vote against their plan!?!?

What's next? A breakaway or a new plan?

 

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5 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Premier League clubs have "unanimously agreed" that 'Project Big Picture' will not be "endorsed or pursued".

Man Utd & Liverpool forced to vote against their plan!?!?

What's next? A breakaway or a new plan

Doesn't say there was a vote, just agreement. There will be a new plan, but I wouldn't be surprised if the breakaway isn't pursued as contingency for the Big Six not getting enough of what they want

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No surprise to me Government Interviews on the topic have been very damming and i believe the PL have been told in no uncertain terms to bin it or face sanctions  and a full review of Governance , then surprise surprise they have all rejected it, not sure where that leaves Rick Parry

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3 minutes ago, Yorkshire Canary said:

not sure where that leaves Rick Parry

Hopefully in the bin. He comes out of this looking even more of a Liverpool stooge than he did when he took the job, and shown his hand.

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21 minutes ago, WD40 said:

Hopefully in the bin. He comes out of this looking even more of a Liverpool stooge than he did when he took the job, and shown his hand.

Can't see how he can survive. As he should never have been appointed in the first place that would be a result for the EFL.

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45 minutes ago, sgncfc said:

Can't see how he can survive. As he should never have been appointed in the first place that would be a result for the EFL.

"The other interesting aspect of the past 72 hours surrounds EFL chairman Rick Parry.

There were some EFL clubs who were not entirely happy with Parry before this news came out. Now they are solidly behind him. It is fair to say this enthusiasm is not shared by his Premier League counterparts. The relationship between the two leagues now will be fascinating."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54545053

 

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The good news is that:

"The clubs also decided on a £50m rescue package for League One and Two clubs at the meeting."

"This offer will consist of grants and interest-free loans totalling a further £50m on top of the £27.2m solidarity payments already advanced to League One and League Two this year, making a total of £77.2m...discussions will also continue with the EFL" over financial support for the Championship"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54545053

Hopefully this will see the League One and Two clubs through. I'm not sure that most Championship clubs should get grants or interest free loans - perhaps the very small/ recently promoted, but not the likes of us, Derby, Notts Forest, QPR etc

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29 minutes ago, Badger said:

The good news is that:

"The clubs also decided on a £50m rescue package for League One and Two clubs at the meeting."

"This offer will consist of grants and interest-free loans totalling a further £50m on top of the £27.2m solidarity payments already advanced to League One and League Two this year, making a total of £77.2m...discussions will also continue with the EFL" over financial support for the Championship"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54545053

Hopefully this will see the League One and Two clubs through. I'm not sure that most Championship clubs should get grants or interest free loans - perhaps the very small/ recently promoted, but not the likes of us, Derby, Notts Forest, QPR etc

This point has probably been made, but the Big Six were using the urgent need for financial assistance to the lower leagues to steamroller their plans through. This package will presumably tide those clubs over so a long-term plan can be worked out without that desperate need for imediate action. It might end up producing a decent blueprint for the future.

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10 hours ago, BigFish said:

It would be interesting for some posters to go through this list to indicate what they would be in favour and for those points that raise objections to suggest alternatives.

I've gone through most of it but gave up. I think I highlighted perhaps two bits which weren't dodgy and seemed good in principle. And even then they could be done separately at no real ill effect.

Big no-no's:
1) I am going to bundle this up as best I can as I think they have separated stuff to try and make it sound better than when it is altogether. 25% of future EPL TV revenue of which £250million will be given as an advance. I had previously believed it was the top six sides that would get the rights to stream 8 games via their own platforms. It's not, it is proposed that it would be the entire EPL. Add to that they would be axing two teams from the EPL. Quick bit of maths time (sorry if I get this wrong).

Currently there are 20 teams in the EPL and they each play 38 games per season, so 760 games in total. Losing two teams would reduce that by 76 fixtures. 8 fixtures per remaining EPL team would be a further 144. That is a total reduction of 220 games. And as others have pointed out, not just any games. The top six will feature heavily in many of those 8 picks which is, we are led to believe, the main attraction for the heavy investment in advertising etc. I mean, lest face it, you don't see the Burnley team on Nivia adverts do we?

In my eyes this could be a real make or break moment for traditional TV revenue for English (and Welsh) football. It then sort of makes sense at this point as to why the EPL would seek control of TV and media rights of the EFL as well. As to concoct an attractive deal they could offer the EFL at a reduced rate to encourage bundling with EPL if that makes sense? EG; pay us what you were before for the EPL games and we'll do you a discount on EFL fixtures. Now I know this is conjecture, but it seems logical, at least to me.

2) The 2nd bundle, the promotion, relegation and parachute payment bit with added away fans stuff.
Where to start? So they are getting rid of parachute payments. Then they say that newly promoted teams have to hold back £25million in their first two seasons to mitigate for relegation. In other words, when you are promoted, you are not allowed to spend £25million of the money you earn in the first season. Each of the first two seasons you have to have £25million in the bank, untouched to mitigate relegation.

This in itself is a bit odd, the teams that have crashed and burned after relegation from the premier league have typically been in it for more than two seasons. Arguably at that point your playing squad wage bill has grown significantly. So that £25million they no longer have and a lack of parachute payments will arguably end up with the same Humpty Dumpty situation we saw with the likes of Southampton, Wigan, Leeds, Sunderland etc.

To put it simply. No parachute payments and we're forcing you to not spend £25million so you have paid for your own parachute payments. I wont get too energetic about this just yet because it gets worse.

Away fans. 3k or 8% of seats, whichever is the higher number to be allocated for away fans. Away tickets to be capped at £20. Now yes, they also open the door to safe standing... but this will be in line with government advice. But this is one of those things that isn't at all dependent upon this deal or upon the EPL. It's already being looked into, so why are they mentioning this here?

Well that would be because if you have a capacity of less than 37,500 (again, apologies if maths is out) then 3k fans can be quite a lot of your ground. Take Bournemouth, their capacity is around 11,300. Enforcing a cap of £20 and 3k fans paying £20 will seriously damage their income, could be by as much as by 50% for those tickets for some fixtures if not more. It will also effect the amount of guaranteed income from season ticket holders due to likely reduction in season ticket availability. I know there is an argument that not all away allocation is taken up, but if there is subsidised travel and £20 cap (with inflation every 3 years) imposed, I suspect you will see away fixtures, especially for games against the big clubs become away sell outs quite quickly.

The bigger picture:
So lets look at the big picture of all of this. The likelihood is that future TV and media deals will be greatly reduced in financial income for EPL and EFL. There is simply no way you can cut so many games and still demand the same amount of money, especially if the 'big clashes' are taken out of the equation. So that 25% is looking less and less lucrative by the minute, as is that £250million advance which could, conceivably, end up as a debt for the EFL.

On top of that, teams promoted to the premier league are hit with a sort of triple whammy.
1) They get a "well done, welcome to the Premier League" handshake, a stake in TV money that is not what it once was, so that £100million is likely to be less.
2) Then they are told that £25million of that cannot be touched for two years to mitigate for relegation because there is no parachute payments anymore.
3) Already looking at a greatly reduced gate income, going from 23 home fixtures in the championship to 17 in the premier league. They also face having to provide 3k seats at a vastly reduced rate. Do they do the unpopular and put the home tickets up?

As a sort of side, there are also a couple of really odd things like demanding Womens football sods off and takes care of itself without any FA involvement even.

So as I said before. This is the Emperor's New Clothes. I am glad that the EPL saw straight through it, and the vast majority of fans too. And I hope that any deal or solution that is found is genuinely of benefit to all and not just to serve 6 teams at the top.

I also hope the government keeps up the pressure too and threatens any break away ideas with things like much tougher planning permissions and increased taxation. I know quite a few Liverpool fans who are disgusted to think their owners actually thought they would support this. It wasn't that long ago that the top six was a top three and Liverpool weren't in it.

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Brilliant, chicken. I would add two general points, which have been made before,  which are linked and whose significance is highlighted by your analysis. One is that the Big Six plan gave those clubs control certainly over the EFL as well as the EPL and arguably further down the pyramid.

The second is that the voting system gave them in effect absolute control, so that if they didn't like the way the scheme was working for them (as opposed to the rest of the EPL and all of the Championship) they could change it unilaterally. Nothing was set in stone, so that none of the promised figures - the eight streamed games, for example, could become 10 or 12 - could be relied on in the longer run.

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