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But we all know that owners and managers who criticise the clubs fans are in the last chance saloon. Wagner's only chance of keeping his job is to get promotion, and even then he might be moved on.

In terms of communication, it might be nice to know why we allowed Idah, our second highest goalscorer and a proven threat from the subs bench this season, to leave on loan when we replaced him with someone who wasn't actually ready to play and who had to "get used to the Championship". It might be nice to know why Wagner named two goalkeepers on the bench on two occasions when he had other options. It might be nice to know why we played Hanley at QPR when he was apparently unfit, which cost us their second goal. And the old stagers of course - why we still haven't tactically sorted the lack of a CDM, allowing almost every opposition team to waltz through our midfield on several occasions; why we concede the initiative in almost every game, often with early and obviously daft substitutions and why some of our players, who are paid tens of thousands of pounds a week to be footballers, are still apparently unable to pass the ball to a team-mate in the simplest of situations. We beat Watford and for the first 30 and the last 20 minutes we played as if we cared. The middle 50 or so, not so much. We gave them - literally gave them, two gilt edged chances which they missed, by stupid passes (Maclean and Barnes - two of the players who were probably our best on the night). We defended like an under 8s team. Their first goal was scored because two players were completely unmarked within yards of our goal. We beat Coventry because they missed and Gunn saved three almost open goals, when again we defended woefully. I've genuinely never seen a player so guilty of ballwatching as Fassnacht. Yet our coaches seem not to have noticed. Victories yes, but not remotely deserved or comfortable. We seldom have the majority of possession and the amount of shots we allow the opposition in every game tells you all you need to know about the lack of control we have on a game. Scrambled wins are better than what was happening of course, when we frequently snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, but don't be fooled into thinking we are playing with any sort of a masterplan. I don't boo. But I also don't appreciate those who do being told they're not welcome by a manager who doesn't seem to understand that fanbase.

So I assume you're happy with two goalkeepers on the bench - I'm not. But that was just one of the points made, and probably the lesser of them. This coaching team won't be successful. Logically, it can't be, because there are too many things they don't do very well and eventually our best players will not be able to bale them out by doing something outstanding. At some point that will have to be addressed. We are a mid table team and will stay that way with Wagner. Just like West Ham will with Moyes. Some people want more than that.

If we get £8m for Tzolis it will be the best transfer deal this club has ever been involved in; even better than £15m for Lewis. It's also as unlikely as us finishing in the top two.

I think there's a bit of a similar situation at West Ham. Lots of their fans want Moyes out, not just because they think they're under achieving but because of the style of football. Their 6-0 at home to Arsenal was humbling - a bit like our 6-2 at Plymouth. Results like that emphasise that whatever the trend of results, you're not competing at the top end. As for us, we have yet to convince even though we have had a fully fit squad, at least we did have until Rowe's injury. Our tactics are still questionable; we still play square pegs in round holes; we don't elevate our academy players; we still don't have a midfield enforcer; we still expose our fullbacks every game. We play every game on the edge of a precipice - as likely to lose 5-0 as to win 2-1. Some of that can only be addressed by a change of coaching team.

I've only read the extract on the BBC but everything he said seems to be based on winning the playoffs. Like many supporters I have a dilemma about that - wanting us to win every game, but recognising that if we do go up we will be completely unprepared (despite what he says) and will probably be even worse than Sheff Utd. Still can't believe the support for a coaching team who consistently do the same things and expect different results. Yes, we beat Coventry - thanks to yet another piece of magic from two (Gunn and Saintz) of our players and very little to do with teamwork, tactics and strategy. We palyed some better stuff but created very little from that and we could easily have lost it as we lost at Leeds, West Brom, Millwall, Watford and also several home games solely because the tactics were, yet again, obviously wrong. Those games were thrown away by inept coaching, not because we had a couple of injuries. Like all the others, Coventry came through our midfield as if it wasn't there. I still don't see us actually getting anywhere near the top 6 at the end of the season, and I'm not sure I want to be wrong.

I don't see Idah getting any additional game time at Celtic. I think he'll be back in May with very little progress made. SVH is a goalscorer and we need one of those; by which I mean a striker who takes up goalscoring positions. We create enough chances; we still don't score enough goals so we need another option up front who will convert. Idah has done well on creating a couple of winners and reactive tap ins, but his strength is not in the penalty area which is where we need some ruthlessness.

Would do well at Brentford. Not Palace as both Eze and Olise are better. Not good enough all rounder for Villa or anyone else who is looking top 6. Maybe Leicester or Southampton if promoted. Whatever, we'll do well to get £10m with only a year left on his contract.

Sorensen is a better defender than either Giannoulis or McCallum, including at left back. But Wagner likes his fullbacks to provide attacking width and be adventurous so Sorensen is not an option in his system. So I can't see how we can let both of our left backs leave unless this Montoia lad is in the frame.

Not under this coaching team.....

Back in the dim and distant days of the late 1950s and throughout the1960s (when we were a mid-table second tier side), we were considered to be a decent shot for a giantkilling - the 1959 run, plus Man Utd away against Best, Charlton, Law etc in 1967 to name just a couple of events. We're back to being a mid table second tier side, yet we don't even try to win a game against Liverpool because we have a very distant chance of taking part in the lottery of the playoffs. Those old memories wouldn't have happened if we'd had a manager like Wagner in charge and the playoffs to go for. A real shame we didn't play our strongest team and give them a few early tackles to try and make another memory.

It was a completely pointless exercise. Two largely second string teams playing out a meaningless fixture. Clearly Liverpool won at a canter, but we didn't really even try to make them break sweat. It was just a game to get out of the way and we set up to not get beaten by more than 6 so in that respect it was a success. It simply reinforced my view that Wagner's way of playing is not what I want to watch, irrespective of the result.

I don't see anyone coming up with a bid big enough to tempt us at the moment - whilst he is important to us, the 20 or so magic minutes we get out of him in every other game isn't anywhere near enough for him to make the step up to the EPL at the moment, and certainly not enough for a £15m plus bid. However, if it were to come in at £15m plus, we should absolutely snap their hands off. As someone else has said on here, if we could get Szmodics and Chair in for that I'd be very happy.

Signed a new long term deal in July so he's hardly surprised by Wagner's coaching and tactics. "He needs to get away for his own sake" is a bit of a stretch 6 months into a 5 year deal.

I raced against John Barnes in the fathers race at our kids nursery. I lost. Bryan Gunn asked me the time at a hotel in Watford, and I sat opposite Chris Martin at a table by the burger restaurant at Winter Wonderland a few years back. Think he was playing at Fulham at the time. He was with his girlfriend/wife(?) and a child who he spent a while shouting at as he chugged two or three pints. Elite athletes eh? I also shared lunch with Gary Lineker at a golf day and played with Peter Shilton. I lost (there's a theme here....) Sat next to Alan Ball at a sports dinner when he was Portsmouth manager. Great bloke, very friendly. Saw Alan Hansen, Kenny Dalglish and Gary McAllister at the Ryder Cup at the Belfry. We won.

The ref was actually very good. Got pretty much everything right - Dimi was a flailing arm not an elbow, so a yellow; the divers were warned first then booked. Hull had a lot of pressure but not many chances - we had more, better ones and apart from the two or three pretty regulation Gunn saves and one super one they didn't do much for the home team with 65% possession. Actually, Hull reminded me of us a bit.....would be happy to get them in the playoffs.

Delap was comfortably the best player on the pitch when we played them at home and Carvalho plays in a different position so all is not lost and hopefully they'll spend at least the first game trying to get used to a new system.

This is the crux of it for me. We don't actually know how good most of our players are because they are either not playing in their best position or are being asked to play differently in their favourite position.

Yes you have missed something. He's scored 15, including 10 for Fulham in the Championship 2 years ago.

3-1 defeat. Huge respect to everyone going to the game.

I don't see any way we make the playoffs whatever we do in this window, short of changing half the first choice team which we can't do. To be honest, even then Wagner would probably mess it up. Anyway the last thing we need is promotion with the state the club is in. We just need to get to 50 points, then play the youngsters, get rid of Wagner and his band of incompetents and plan for next year with, hopefully, someone who knows what they're doing.

Not disappointed to see Hwang go - his goal at Watford was good and the finish against QPR was good but his general play was pretty forgettable. I see the comments on Idah. For the last 5 or 6 years we've all known he has the talent to be a player, but his lack of progress has been a huge disappointment. As his game is currently, he doesn't start in a Championship team as a striker. Given that very simple fact, getting him out on loan at League One level would make perfect sense if only to see if development is possible. If we need a squad striker, promote one from the U21s to sit on the bench and get 15 minutes off it instead of him - we all know Barnes and Sargent are going to start. Kamara has clearly progressed at Portsmouth, as Mumba did at Plymouth. It would be interesting to see what Idah could do at that level.

Absolutely. I can see why people prefer Dimi, but for me McCallum is the player who is more exciting and has more room to improve. He was (apparently) better against Southampton and is maybe benefitting from being more involved. It wasn't a game I saw, thankfully. I would also just caveat everything with the phrase - "it's hard to tell who is and who isn't a good player under this coach because they're mostly being asked to do things they aren't comfortable with". I think that covers just about every position apart from one centre back and the goalkeeper.

Giannoullis is a poor defender, frequently out of position. His only saving grace is his change of pace when going forward, but that's not why he's a left back. Lightweight in the tackle if he makes one, which is infrequent, and rolls around like he's been shot far too often. I'd play MaCallum every time in preference. Idah should be a good player. The goal against Bristol City showed, for the first time at 22 years old, what he could be doing regularly. His other 5 were, I think, all tap ins from mistakes - decent reactions, but that's not enough for 5 year contracts and regular starts. As a striker he hasn't a clue what positions to take up or how to link play, other than occasionally from wide and we already have enough others who can do that better. He is seldom in the right position in the box, rarely finds space or a spare yard and I can't remember the last time he took an instinctive shot from more than 5 yards which was on target. He seems to have learned nothing from being in the same squad as Pukki. He is the Johan Elmander of the current team.

Personally I'd try to copy Brighton's system. They have made Dunk an England CB by playing (largely) a 5-2-2-1 but they interchange so much it moves into 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 when needed. But you have to have a player or two can track and tackle - I don't know if that is a CDM, but it's a role for a player we don't have. Gibbs is probably the closest but Wagner thinks he's a striker. Mclean is the next best but without him at CB we lack any kind of ability to move the ball. We have to find a way to get our best players in the team - that doesn't include Hernandez, Fassnacht, Gibson, Giannoulis or Idah in my opinion. They may have great stats, but their contributions in reality are simply woeful.